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kage69

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Kinda watching that right now with a couple I know.

She is aghast, asking me for any input. They have teen daughters. I simply cannot understand how a girl dad could vote for that piece of shit. This isn't 1929, and they are way better off than they were 4 years ago. 2 extra cars in the driveway and a home extension to prove it.

I fear I may have just lost a friend. Apparently he's been microdosing shrooms for the last year to treat depression. I am so pissed off right now, I want my buddy back.
 

MrSquished

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akugami

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By redefining freedom.

We pushed anarchy too far. There must be structure and order in how we ALLOW communication in the first place. In how we TEACH our students to THINK.
Idiocracy was never inevitable. Just for us in our grand Ego driven stupidity at letting propaganda and division run wild.

Division of ideas is fine.
Division of reality is not.

We had to redefine our Bill of Rights to account for the true nature of mankind. Our founders were far too kind, a product of their tech or lackthereof. In our time we needed FAR stronger protections.

One of the happiest I've been while at a "back to school" night was when my eldest child was in freshman year of high school. We're in the suburbs outside of Philly. I forgot what the exact class name was, but the teacher said their class was not about pushing political views, but to teach the children to think critically and look at things from both sides. Teaching students how to think, rather than pushing rote memorization is so important.

This is in stark contrast to inner city schools, where I and my siblings went, where I feel the funding is not there for these types of courses. Hell, even when I went to high school, we still had things like cooking classes and wood working shop. All of that is gone now. The funding simply isn't there. It's a damn shame. Hell, my second eldest child just presented me with a wooden box they made at their middle school.

Some of you may have read about Calcea Johnson and Ne’Kiya Jackson, two high school students who proved the Pythagorean Theorem using trigonometry, which was thought to be impossible. That's what happens when our younger generation is educated. We add to the collective pool of knowledge and advance as a species.

In general, education has been dismantled. In many ways, it's not much more than a day care for kids until they're 18 now. It's criminal that we don't educate the next generation, and install in them the ability to think critically, and have a joy in learning and trying new things.
 
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The uncommitted movement is getting ready to organize under a Trump administration lol Their movement is not over lol

These fucking morons can go eat a bag of whatevers


I didn't want to spread negativity before the election, but the democratic party has bad PR. Say what you want about the GQP, but they have an amazing propaganda machine. Lies built upon lies upon lies. Even shit the GQP does that impacts people lives negatively are the fault of democrats.
 

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The uncommitted movement is getting ready to organize under a Trump administration lol Their movement is not over lol

These fucking morons can go eat a bag of whatevers


Who are these nobodies, again?

They're going to get steamrolled like the rest of us.
 

kage69

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I didn't want to spread negativity before the election, but the democratic party has bad PR. Say what you want about the GQP, but they have an amazing propaganda machine. Lies built upon lies upon lies. Even shit the GQP does that impacts people lives negatively are the fault of democrats.


Quite so, though honestly it's been that way since the advent of Fox, back in 2000, also Newt Gingrich changing GOP culture from the level of disagreeing with 'esteemed colleagues' to the 'calling out of scumbags,' pushing the pro corporate exec look while waving a flag and carrying a bible. When organized religion is your wingman you already have a working model to incorporate and take advantage of, and they did. Lies over prolonged periods of time can eventually move mountains. Trump is greasy, demented, corpulent proof of it.

I don't know if anyone could have won against an electorate willing to vote for an insurrectionist and convicted felon and rapist. A group willing to point at inflation (somehow ahead of the fucking treason), yet not care about where it came from or even what it currently was.

At this point I hope a lot of people get on the same page or jump ship and join my man Angus and ol Bernie in the Independent party. 2026 is only two years away, start soon.
 

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This



Very true but what effects me personally is the cost of milk, eggs, bread, olive oil, jasmine and basmati rice and some asian sauces.

I remember under Obama the prices were roughly the same.. then they went up under Trump.. and then stabilized now they're looking to go up again.

Absolutely no reason Sriracha should go from $3 to $9 and counting.. I'll just have to do without it.

The car insurance and home insurance are the biggest increases of over 20% and I didn't have any claims.

Will have to tighten what I can.. thankfully my ford explorer is cheaper to maintain and fix than previous Toyota.

As my dad often says.. these bad policies will effect everyone.. not just us.
Yea, insurance for me is the final straw that is making me really concerned about costs. My car and house are paid for. Yes, food prices are terrible, but lets face it, you can adjust your eating habits to partially adjust for this, i.e. buy less processed foods, eat out less, etc. However, I have been hit with several hundred dollar per year prices increases in homeowners and car insurance (for a 6 year old, relatively cheap car no less), and my health insurance went up over $100 PER MONTH. I get cost of living raises for SS and my CSRS pension, but this is the first year I can recall when my take home pay will actually be less than the previous year due to the increased cost of health insurance. That does not account for the decreased purchasing power of a given amount of money, but the actual dollar amount I take home will be less.
 

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Clinton was a 2.1 point PV winner and the overwhelming opinion was not that she was a good candidate. Environment shifts are real and that's what felled Trump in 20 due to wide disapproval of how he managed COVID.
Clinton went down as running a shitty campaign where she seemingly was the favorite wire to wire against a clown. The Blue wall crumbled as she aimed to "expand the map" in the final weeks. Like I said, I don't have any major objections to how Harris campaign went, although others do. (And as mentioned, the scale of the defeat is staggering.)

If you're telling us that this election was unwinnable for anyone not named Barack Obama, then fine. But @SteveGrabowski and I object to this notion that Kamala Harris was our best shot at this (again, I concede that in mid July, she was the logical choice* given the time constraints).

IMHO Harris' political career for high office is over, unless she wants to make a run at Gov. in CA. I don't know who wins the Democratic primaries in 3 1/2 years, but it won't be Harris. Take that to the bank.

* This is kinda like saying Hillary was next one up in 2016, or Romney in 2012. While true, both lost what were winnable contests.
 
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The uncommitted movement is getting ready to organize under a Trump administration lol Their movement is not over lol

These fucking morons can go eat a bag of whatevers


There's a shit ton of them in East New York, Jamaica and some parts of Elmhurst and Richmond Hill too.

I'll personally report these dumbasses to Trump for not supporting us!
 

Muse

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Republicans used to be smart enough to actually debate the merits of an idea and offer an alternative. Murdoch made them all dumber, and only asked that they say the opposite of what Democrats said.

I do suspect the founders never imagined people would just get so damned stupid. It's like designing a system of government that Pakleds can upkeep.
I realized something yesterday. I'm anything but deep in this but 3 guys who have apparently coopted the USA are all foreign born.

Murdoch (Ausie)
Musk (South Africa)
Thiel (Germany)

Is this some kind of evil cabal?
 

Muse

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I didn't want to spread negativity before the election, but the democratic party has bad PR. Say what you want about the GQP, but they have an amazing propaganda machine. Lies built upon lies upon lies. Even shit the GQP does that impacts people lives negatively are the fault of democrats.
The GOP is great at lying. Do you want Democrats to follow suit? No, you want the Democrats to get really good at portraying and proving the GOP as liars. It's really obvious to me.
 
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Republicans used to be smart enough to actually debate the merits of an idea and offer an alternative. Murdoch made them all dumber, and only asked that they say the opposite of what Democrats said.

I do suspect the founders never imagined people would just get so damned stupid. It's like designing a system of government that Pakleds can upkeep.

I think they did imagine that people would get stupid, it’s why they didn’t support directly electing the president. What they didn’t account for were the electors and the people who pick them to be as equally stupid.
 

Muse

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Very true but what effects me personally is the cost of milk, eggs, bread, olive oil, jasmine and basmati rice and some asian sauces.

I remember under Obama the prices were roughly the same.. then they went up under Trump.. and then stabilized now they're looking to go up again.
Absolutely no reason Sriracha should go from $3 to $9 and counting.. I'll just have to do without it.

The car insurance and home insurance are the biggest increases of over 20% and I didn't have any claims.

Will have to tighten what I can.. thankfully my ford explorer is cheaper to maintain and fix than previous Toyota.

As my dad often says.. these bad policies will effect everyone.. not just us.
I rarely use it today, but still have Shark brand Sriracha on my shelves. It's cheap, IMO really good. No artificial ingredients, simple as can be, peppers, sugar, vinegar, maybe some salt. I used to use it every day on my burrito, stopped making burritos. I bought it in Oakland Chinatown, I'd get several bottles at a time. Made in Thailand.

Insurance is a big part of my expenses, and the funny thing is I haven't made any kind of insurance claim or had a moving traffic violation for 50+ years. Car is a 1997 Mazda sedan. I do almost no driving too, around 700 miles last year and my insurance company knows that, I'm on a low mileage policy. I pay over $1/mile I drive just for liability insurance. Home insurance is a far bigger expense. Never made a home insurance claim of any kind. I have EQ insurance as well, equally expensive. Funny thing is if my house is destroyed by an EQ I figure there's a good chance the company won't have the money to pay me what with all the claims.
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The GOP is great at lying. Do you want Democrats to follow suit? No, you want the Democrats to get really good at portraying and proving the GOP as liars. It's really obvious to me.
So far, that strategy has had little to no effect.
 

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So far, that strategy has had little to no effect.
I think that's because they haven't done it right. Consensus here is that the voters who voted for Trump were wrong in their understandings concerning what Trump could and would do. Democrats could have made that plainer to the voting public.
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I think that's because they haven't done it right. Consensus here is that the voters who voted for Trump were wrong in their understandings concerning what Trump could and would do. Democrats could have made that plainer to the voting public.
We don't have enough crayons and coloring books.
 
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We don't have enough crayons and coloring books.
And they want to do away with the Department of Education. WTH. Do we want an informed electorate or an ignorant one? Myself, it's the former. Republicans? I figure the latter. I guess that makes me the "enemy within."
 

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Can you confirm it was actually from a legitimate Democrat institution? There's a lot of scams that run around during election cycles.
Just had another one drop - kamalaharris dot com. Other links I've seen in the past were myngp, actionnetwork, actionkit, and act blue.
 

Indus

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And they want to do away with the Department of Education. WTH. Do we want an informed electorate or an ignorant one? Myself, it's the former. Republicans? I figure the latter. I guess that makes me the "enemy within."

Actually the department of education is a good way for states to establish their own.

New York State had it's own regents for ages but then they had to dumb it down thanks to the first Trump administration for "common core".

If you educate your own students.. they'll be in demand because they have the skills.
 

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Just had another one drop - kamalaharris dot com. Other links I've seen in the past were myngp, actionnetwork, actionkit, and act blue.
So for that one specifically it's probably legitimate, it was registered in 2002. The registration info is all redacted though so who knows.
 

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While I expected nothing less, most of the MAGA comment I see on YT or any article where you can leave a reply. They're being beyond douchy towards anyone still speaking highly of Kamala. These people clearly don't want unity amongst us all. I am a bit surprised at the level of rubbing it in the losers face they're taking it to, even for them it seems excessive and unnecessary. They definitely don't care about having class that's for sure. It seems even with their lord winning they're still upset about shit.
 
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I think that's because they haven't done it right. Consensus here is that the voters who voted for Trump were wrong in their understandings concerning what Trump could and would do. Democrats could have made that plainer to the voting public.
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Effectively countering the Rep lies is part of it. Equally important IMO is projecting effectively the policies of the Dems that will help the middle class and working class. Quit emphasizing identity politics, obviously it didnt work in this election because Kamala lost ground in every group except African Americans. Kamala had proposals in her platform to help the middle class, but it was directed to certain groups like families with children and first time homeowners. Hey, dems, did you know that nearly 50% of the families (edit, should have said "households", i.e. single people and families without children in the household) have no children living with them? How about doing something for them too? Inflation is hurting everyone. And ultimately, Kamala didnt really emphasize how she would help the middle class. Her rhetoric toward the end reverted to the talking points of reproductive rights and how awful Trump is. We already know the Dems are for this, and that Trump is a horrible human being.
 
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Effectively countering the Rep lies is part of it. Equally important IMO is projecting effectively the policies of the Dems that will help the middle class and working class. Quit emphasizing identity politics, obviously it didnt work in this election because Kamala lost ground in every group except African Americans. Kamala had proposals in her platform to help the middle class, but it was directed to certain groups like families with children and first time homeowners. Hey, dems, did you know that nearly 50% of the families (edit, should have said "households", i.e. single people and families without children in the household) have no children living with them? How about doing something for them too? Inflation is hurting everyone. And ultimately, Kamala didnt really emphasize how she would help the middle class. Her rhetoric toward the end reverted to the talking points of reproductive rights and how awful Trump is. We already know the Dems are for this, and that Trump is a horrible human being.
This will work when we have 3 of our own official partisan networks.