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ondma

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Obama has called people knuckleheads on more than one occasion, including while he was in office. He always seemed presidential and not a putz to me.
Well, I dont recall him ever calling himself one. It could be the most honest thing Walz has said though: "if the shoe fits" and all that.
 

Indus

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And Walz IS presidential??? Mr. '"knucklehead"???? LMFAO What a putz.

We've already had a neo nazi fascist as president and he got a million Americans killed (that's more than WW2 and Vietnam put together).. a knuckle head would be an upgrade!
 
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fskimospy

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Well, I dont recall him ever calling himself one. It could be the most honest thing Walz has said though: "if the shoe fits" and all that.
Meh - Walz seems fine to me. There's a reason why he's by far the best liked candidate in this race.
 

K1052

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I am enjoying that Dems seem to have forced, with John Kelly's help, a "how much of a Nazi is Donald Trump?" news cycle.

Not exactly what you want voters hearing in the last two weeks to the election with voting well underway in many crucial states.
 

ondma

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I am enjoying that Dems seem to have forced, with John Kelly's help, a "how much of a Nazi is Donald Trump?" news cycle.

Not exactly what you want voters hearing in the last two weeks to the election with voting well underway in many crucial states.
Unfortunately, I think a good portion of the electorate secretly (or subconsciously) wants someone with facist tendencies. "We will put those ________ (minorities, immigrants, gays/trans, abortionists, insert group of choice) in their place. Unfortunately, and I know most will disagree vehemently, IMO the Dems have shifted their emphasis too far toward identity politics, which has the effect of making it easier for Trump to promote this rhetoric.
 
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fskimospy

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Yea, he was "successful" in blowing a 17B surplus and keeping us at 5th place in the highest state income tax rates ranking.
I think you would agree that the most relevant metric for a state is not its income tax rate but its total tax burden, yes? Not that WalletHub is authoritative or anything but according to that Wisconsin ends up at #26 in total tax burden, so right in the middle. It has a high top income tax bracket (although that only applies to those making over $300k) but a low sales tax rate (42nd in the country) and low effective property tax rate (44th).

So seems like Wisconsin is a pretty standard state to me from a tax perspective.

 

HomerJS

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Unfortunately, I think a good portion of the electorate secretly (or subconsciously) wants someone with facist tendencies. "We will put those ________ (minorities, immigrants, gays/trans, abortionists, insert group of choice) in their place. Unfortunately, and I know most will disagree vehemently, IMO the Dems have shifted their emphasis too far toward identity politics, which has the effect of making it easier for Trump to promote this rhetoric.
Are you one of those people who think when the military integrated blacks and gays into the service they were being woke?
 

brycejones

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I think you would agree that the most relevant metric for a state is not its income tax rate but its total tax burden, yes? Not that WalletHub is authoritative or anything but according to that Wisconsin ends up at #26 in total tax burden, so right in the middle. It has a high top income tax bracket (although that only applies to those making over $300k) but a low sales tax rate (42nd in the country) and low effective property tax rate (44th).

So seems like Wisconsin is a pretty standard state to me from a tax perspective.

Uh, shouldn’t you be looking at Minnesota?
 
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nakedfrog

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Unfortunately, I think a good portion of the electorate secretly (or subconsciously) wants someone with facist tendencies. "We will put those ________ (minorities, immigrants, gays/trans, abortionists, insert group of choice) in their place. Unfortunately, and I know most will disagree vehemently, IMO the Dems have shifted their emphasis too far toward identity politics, which has the effect of making it easier for Trump to promote this rhetoric.
Hm, do you believe the GOP is not heavily invested in identity politics?
 

fskimospy

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Hm, do you believe the GOP is not heavily invested in identity politics?
It's very strange that people look at the Republican Party, which exists nearly entirely as an identity politics party, and then say people don't like the Democrats due to identity politics.

Just look at their ads. Democrats are running on a message of shared prosperity and Republicans are running on a message of 'immigrants are coming to eat your dog and kill your family'. That's identity politics in its purest sense!
 

K1052

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Right wing nuts are really going at it today calling some yet unseen video/audio a "deepfake". Who knows if it will amount to something or not.