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So much negative information has come out plus the debates.
And yet there has been a rightward shift.
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I’m wondering if yesterday’s good employment report plus the special counsel filing will reverse this recent shift. If it doesn’t, err Houston we’ve got a problem. A big problem.
We definitely have a problem, as the 7 battlegrounds have been locked in a virtual tie for at least a month. Although the 538 averages certainly aren't good, not a whole lot has changed. But the underlying problem is that people's vibes are mostly baked in at this point. The dumb asses who still yearn for a Trump economy aren't gonna be convinced in the final 4 weeks that Democrats are better at pocketbook issues. CNN's data analyst puts it out there for us:



I've said since before Biden stepped down...Trump has more than a good chance to win. Replacing Biden with Harris only helped his chances. MOST folks who were already going to vote Democrat still will, but more than a few will make the switch to Republican. She doesn't come off as knowledgeable or confident.
I will vote Democrat...not FOR Harris/Walz, but AGAINST Trump/Vance.
Rubbish opinion. Biden's campaign was sunk, and best case scenario he had about a 25% chance of winning. This is not because he had a real chance of winning, but because both candidates have their large bases so you're never really at 0%.

Harris at age 22 was more knowledgeable than Trump has ever been in his lifetime, and he's now a bumbling fool at 78.


so to summarize
1) america is racist and misogynist
2) better a confident lie than a nervous truth


frankly i think biden would have been absolutely crushed after his debate performance. democrat turnout would be a shitshow because no one, absolutely no one, would have any shred of enthusiasm. After that moment, switching to Harris was the right move, and the only viable move, to have a chance at winning (and preserving democracy)
Some of us did warn that you're asking a lot of the American electorate to choose the first woman AND woman of color (+ SF liberal) for POTUS. So yeah that's part of what we're seeing now in the coin flip.
Biden was on track to lose by worse than 2016 margins. Dems could have lost both the Senate and the House in a complete bloodbath.
 
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TBH I watched the whole thing. It's worth it, amazing stuff. The width and breadth of Donald Trump's grifting operations is staggering! He really doesn't waste your time. You'd never dream of what Trump did when he was president in ripping off America. Donald is a crook. Watch this!

How Trump Stole $636.7 MILLION​

I watched about half of it, got the gist of his point-Donald made hundreds of millions off the government for his travels, primarily to his golf courses/hotels. When the President travels roughly 75 people have to go with him and the taxpayers pick up the tab for thier rooms, meals, etc. Donald charged far more than usually allowed for such expenses.

While I was watching it I flashed back to when he said he was so rich he didn't need the President's paycheck and was going to donate them to charity (of his choice, of course).

The man truly is deplorable in so many ways.
 

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it's not surprising that there are a lot of misogynists/racists willing to vote for an old white man that won't vote for a brown woman. Including some minorities. it would be surprising if that were not the case. "We" are still pretty backward, and of course one party is trying to go backward.

I see no problem voting against the "most evil". I've literally done that in every election since I could vote (decades now). I treat it like picking the least-worst route home in rush hour. I don't need a hero or someone "exciting". We are hiring fricking administrators here. Look at the two platforms, pick the one that bothers you least, and done.

That said, Biden was toast. No candidate would be allowed to run for office over 70 years old if it were up to me. If we have a minimum age, then there's no reason we shouldn't have a maximum.
 
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My hope is that the polls aren't picking up on new voter registrations after the switch to Harris which have been mostly favorable to her. Hopefully it's a 2022 polling miss that underestimated Dem support and not 2020 where Biden had a huge lead and squeaked it out in the swing states.
 

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My hope is that the polls aren't picking up on new voter registrations after the switch to Harris which have been mostly favorable to her. Hopefully it's a 2022 polling miss that underestimated Dem support and not 2020 where Biden had a huge lead and squeaked it out in the swing states.

Dems put in good programs but it takes years to reap rewards and people get impatient and vote Trumpers in who love to take credit for it but they wreck everything.

The cycle continues.. you don't see build back better or the manufacturing boom being at the lips of voters.. but if Trump gets in.. he'll take all the credit with dumdums and setup MAGA for the next 40 years.
 
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I watched about half of it, got the gist of his point-Donald made hundreds of millions off the government for his travels, primarily to his golf courses/hotels. When the President travels roughly 75 people have to go with him and the taxpayers pick up the tab for thier rooms, meals, etc. Donald charged far more than usually allowed for such expenses.

While I was watching it I flashed back to when he said he was so rich he didn't need the President's paycheck and was going to donate them to charity (of his choice, of course).

The man truly is deplorable in so many ways.
You watched ~1/2 the video. Later into it the presenter explains that Donald famously bragged about not needing the 400K POTUS salary and would donate it. He chose the charities and wrote off the donations to the tune of $128,000.
 

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What jumped out at me (apart from Musk's projecting, like the fascistic buffoon he is) was the last paragraph.

Jana Anderson, 62, who works at an animal shelter, said: “I don’t think a woman should be president, only because it’s always been men. I’m a woman but I think men should lead the country, not a woman. Women, in my opinion, are wishy washy. I mean, she says a lot of things, she promises a lot of things, but I don’t know if she’s capable of doing those things.”
 

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What jumped out at me (apart from Musk's projecting, like the fascistic buffoon he is) was the last paragraph.
What a dumbass. Sadly there are many people, women included that believe that way. Mind blowingly dumb.
The USA indeed is special in this case, because most modern democracies (particularly European) have had women as their leaders/head of state.

Lol wishy washy. Holy projection Batman!
 
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What a dumbass. Sadly there are many people, women included that believe that way. Mind blowingly dumb.
The USA indeed is special in this case, because most modern democracies (particularly European) have had women as their leaders/head of state.

Lol wishy washy. Holy projection Batman!

And minorities.

You will not believe how many of Kamala's ethnicities believe Trump is better on everything and she's little more than a janitor for Biden.
 

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Look who finally discovered the declining old maniac who's at the top of a presidential ticket a month before the election. (gift article link)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/...e_code=1.QE4.ZsBK.YiQAcIjl-FeV&smid=url-share


With the passage of time, the 78-year-old former president’s speeches have grown darker, harsher, longer, angrier, less focused, more profane and increasingly fixated on the past, according to a review of his public appearances over the years.

Mr. Trump frequently reaches to the past for his frame of reference, often to the 1980s and 1990s, when he was in his tabloid-fueled heyday. He cites fictional characters from that era like Hannibal Lecter from “Silence of the Lip” (he meant “Silence of the Lambs”), asks “where’s Johnny Carson, bring back Johnny” (who died in 2005) and ruminates on how attractive Cary Grant was (“the most handsome man”). He asks supporters whether they remember the landing in New York of Charles Lindbergh, who actually landed in Paris and long before Mr. Trump was born.

“You can like Trump or hate Trump, but he’s been a very effective communicator,” Mr. Scaramucci continued. But now, he added, “the word salad buffet on the Trump campaign is being offered at a discount. You can eat all you can eat, but it’s at a discount.”

Sarah Matthews, who was Mr. Trump’s deputy press secretary until breaking with him over the Jan. 6, 2021, attack, said the former president had lost his fastball.

“I don’t think anyone would ever say that Trump is the most polished speaker, but his more recent speeches do seem to be more incoherent, and he’s rambling even more so and he’s had some pretty noticeable moments of confusion,” she said. “When he was running against Biden, maybe it didn’t stand out as much.”
 
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Meidastouch surveys plethora of current ads excoriating Trump/Vance and plugging Harris/Walz

 

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What jumped out at me (apart from Musk's projecting, like the fascistic buffoon he is) was the last paragraph.
I am certain the Taliban also have some women enforcers. After all, "women have always been slaves".
(Same process, to the letter)
 

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What a poor abused woman. Imagine going your entire life believing that drek about yourself.

It was the 2016 or 2020 election and Jordan kleeper was interviewed some people and there was a woman that said the same exact thing. So she is not alone in that
 

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My daughter rode to school with our neighbors once. They past a Kamala sign and the 8 year-olds boy said "Why would anyone think a woman could be president?" And the mom just agreed.
Say hi to his abusive father for us.
It was the 2016 or 2020 election and Jordan kleeper was interviewed some people and there was a woman that said the same exact thing. So she is not alone in that
Ditto.
 

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My daughter rode to school with our neighbors once. They past a Kamala sign and the 8 year-olds boy said "Why would anyone think a woman could be president?" And the mom just agreed.

No small part of me wants her to win to demolish this particular pernicious piece of American misogyny that is as backwarrds as it is outdated.

The irony of Trump being the alternative who is a person with essentially zero self control is something. But most men never think of themselves that way.
 
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My daughter rode to school with our neighbors once. They past a Kamala sign and the 8 year-olds boy said "Why would anyone think a woman could be president?" And the mom just agreed.
Nope per Rosanne Barr
Trump was the first Woman President.



She had one fucked up Mom if she truly believes this.