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Zorba

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lmao nobody cares what Adams has to say and he's probably going to be in prison by this time next year.
I think that was the joke. That Kamala might lose the "awaiting trail on federal crimes" block of voters.
 
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K1052

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I think that was the joke. That Kamala might lose the "awaiting trail on federal crimes" block of voters.

You might be right. Though judging by the "I'm voting for the Felon" bumper stickers I see the pro-crime if you are an R voter base might be more substantial.
 

Muse

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Reader's Digest version?
TBH I watched the whole thing. It's worth it, amazing stuff. The width and breadth of Donald Trump's grifting operations is staggering! The guy who made this video really doesn't waste your time. You'd never dream of what Trump did when he was president in ripping off America. Donald is a crook. Watch this!

How Trump Stole $636.7 MILLION​

 
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MrSquished

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If this is true, this is not a good look for Harris. Of course, if it is true.


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A new report from the Financial Times says that Harris and her campaign have been reaching out to corporate executives and business leaders for their support against Donald Trump, and that the vice president may be succeeding.
Harris has met with several executives during her campaign, including Karen Lynch of CVS, Ryan McInerney of Visa, Charles Phillips of Infor, and Greg Brown of Motorola, according to the Times.

A number of executives announced on Friday the formation of Business Leaders for Harris to raise money for the vice president. These include LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, billionaire tech and health care entrepreneur Mark Cuban, Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, and Ken Chenault, the former CEO of American Express who now heads a private equity firm. Chenault was even given a prominent speaking spot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

Two finance executives who spoke to the Times said that Harris told them that they expect her to make appointments to the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Trade Commission who weren’t as tough as the agencies’ current respective heads, Gary Gensler and Lina Khan—both of whom have been remarkably succesful at reorienting their departments to go after corporate consolidation and crack down on malfeasance. Maryland Governor Wes Moore, another Harris ally, has also suggested that Harris would be friendlier to big business."
 

Jaskalas

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If this is true, this is not a good look for Harris. Of course, if it is true.
Trump said, and is still saying, a lot of things to get elected.
If I was in Harris's position, I'd say things to big business too.
Use their money and their influence to help smash Trump.
 
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Trump said, and is still saying, a lot of things to get elected.
If I was in Harris's position, I'd say things to big business too.
Use their money and their influence to help smash Trump.
Yes I'm hoping she may be hinting at some things just to play politics. This FTC chairwoman is great, she should stay.
 
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Zorba

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Yes I'm hoping she may be hinting at some things just to play politics. This FTC chairwoman is great, she should stay.
More reasons why Biden was a great president. Wish he was 20 years younger and the media environment wasn't such crap. Hopefully Lina Khan stays. But this is also an example of why government can't effectively take on big business, the regulators change every 4 years, but the cases can take longer than that.
 

NWRMidnight

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If this is true, this is not a good look for Harris. Of course, if it is true.


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A new report from the Financial Times says that Harris and her campaign have been reaching out to corporate executives and business leaders for their support against Donald Trump, and that the vice president may be succeeding.
Harris has met with several executives during her campaign, including Karen Lynch of CVS, Ryan McInerney of Visa, Charles Phillips of Infor, and Greg Brown of Motorola, according to the Times.

A number of executives announced on Friday the formation of Business Leaders for Harris to raise money for the vice president. These include LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, billionaire tech and health care entrepreneur Mark Cuban, Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, and Ken Chenault, the former CEO of American Express who now heads a private equity firm. Chenault was even given a prominent speaking spot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

Two finance executives who spoke to the Times said that Harris told them that they expect her to make appointments to the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Trade Commission who weren’t as tough as the agencies’ current respective heads, Gary Gensler and Lina Khan—both of whom have been remarkably succesful at reorienting their departments to go after corporate consolidation and crack down on malfeasance. Maryland Governor Wes Moore, another Harris ally, has also suggested that Harris would be friendlier to big business."
Without knowing the specific details of what is meant by being friendlier to big business, small business, or all businesses, we can't make any legitimate judgement call. it's very possible to be friendlier to businesses of all kinds, big or small that have positive, good results for both the businesses, their employees, and the consumer/citizens. It could be as simple as removing redundant and pointless regulations that do nothing but cost the company money, or simple clarifications of current regulations because the current wording isn't clear, creating havic for those big businesses. Or it could be as simple as removing some of the red tape some businesses have to go thru to accomplish certain goals needed to adjust to changing markets. A good leader will do their best to balance policies/regulations that benefit both businesses, employees, and consumers/citizens, and move everyone forward to a better future.

It could be as simple as showing them the impact Trump's tarrifs would have on their bottom line, because if he gets into office and enacts those tarrifs, it will not only effect every consumer, but it will also effect those big businsses bottom line and profits because people will stop spending as those tarrifs are passed on to us. Simply because they won't be able to afford to buy as much.

Either way, this is nothing but hear say, to sow negativity, at this point and time.
 
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Indus

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If this is true, this is not a good look for Harris. Of course, if it is true.


"
A new report from the Financial Times says that Harris and her campaign have been reaching out to corporate executives and business leaders for their support against Donald Trump, and that the vice president may be succeeding.
Harris has met with several executives during her campaign, including Karen Lynch of CVS, Ryan McInerney of Visa, Charles Phillips of Infor, and Greg Brown of Motorola, according to the Times.

A number of executives announced on Friday the formation of Business Leaders for Harris to raise money for the vice president. These include LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, billionaire tech and health care entrepreneur Mark Cuban, Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, and Ken Chenault, the former CEO of American Express who now heads a private equity firm. Chenault was even given a prominent speaking spot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

Two finance executives who spoke to the Times said that Harris told them that they expect her to make appointments to the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Trade Commission who weren’t as tough as the agencies’ current respective heads, Gary Gensler and Lina Khan—both of whom have been remarkably succesful at reorienting their departments to go after corporate consolidation and crack down on malfeasance. Maryland Governor Wes Moore, another Harris ally, has also suggested that Harris would be friendlier to big business."

I was listening to TMR today and there was a caller who made a very good point about what you're talking about how this could very well be a generational election for a totally unknown reason to most..

Direct link (to time 1:43:04)

 

Fenixgoon

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If this is true, this is not a good look for Harris. Of course, if it is true.


"
A new report from the Financial Times says that Harris and her campaign have been reaching out to corporate executives and business leaders for their support against Donald Trump, and that the vice president may be succeeding.
Harris has met with several executives during her campaign, including Karen Lynch of CVS, Ryan McInerney of Visa, Charles Phillips of Infor, and Greg Brown of Motorola, according to the Times.

A number of executives announced on Friday the formation of Business Leaders for Harris to raise money for the vice president. These include LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, billionaire tech and health care entrepreneur Mark Cuban, Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, and Ken Chenault, the former CEO of American Express who now heads a private equity firm. Chenault was even given a prominent speaking spot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

Two finance executives who spoke to the Times said that Harris told them that they expect her to make appointments to the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Trade Commission who weren’t as tough as the agencies’ current respective heads, Gary Gensler and Lina Khan—both of whom have been remarkably succesful at reorienting their departments to go after corporate consolidation and crack down on malfeasance. Maryland Governor Wes Moore, another Harris ally, has also suggested that Harris would be friendlier to big business."
It would be very disappointing. I think Lina Khan is fantastic.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Small businesses don't really care about the SEC.
Both the SEC and the FTC effect small businesses. The SEC plays a part in small businesses seaking capitol to start up/operate. So, only ignorant, small business owners don't care about thr SEC.
 
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jdubs03

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So much negative information has come out plus the debates.
And yet there has been a rightward shift.
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I’m wondering if yesterday’s good employment report plus the special counsel filing will reverse this recent shift. If it doesn’t, err Houston we’ve got a problem. A big problem.
 

BoomerD

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So much negative information has come out plus the debates.
And yet there has been a rightward shift.
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I’m wondering if yesterday’s good employment report plus the special counsel filing will reverse this recent shift. If it doesn’t, err Houston we’ve got a problem. A big problem.

I've said since before Biden stepped down...Trump has more than a good chance to win. Replacing Biden with Harris only helped his chances. MOST folks who were already going to vote Democrat still will, but more than a few will make the switch to Republican. She doesn't come off as knowledgeable or confident.
I will vote Democrat...not FOR Harris/Walz, but AGAINST Trump/Vance.
 

Fenixgoon

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I've said since before Biden stepped down...Trump has more than a good chance to win. Replacing Biden with Harris only helped his chances. MOST folks who were already going to vote Democrat still will, but more than a few will make the switch to Republican. She doesn't come off as knowledgeable or confident.
I will vote Democrat...not FOR Harris/Walz, but AGAINST Trump/Vance.
so to summarize
1) america is racist and misogynist
2) better a confident lie than a nervous truth


frankly i think biden would have been absolutely crushed after his debate performance. democrat turnout would be a shitshow because no one, absolutely no one, would have any shred of enthusiasm. After that moment, switching to Harris was the right move, and the only viable move, to have a chance at winning (and preserving democracy)
 

Amused

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so to summarize
1) america is racist and misogynist
2) better a confident lie than a nervous truth


frankly i think biden would have been absolutely crushed after his debate performance. democrat turnout would be a shitshow because no one, absolutely no one, would have any shred of enthusiasm. After that moment, switching to Harris was the right move, and the only viable move, to have a chance at winning (and preserving democracy)

Which is sad. The incentive to vote for me has not changed since Biden stepped down. It's not enthusiasm driving me, it's dread. Unmitigated, crushing dreading fear of my country becoming a dictatorship and being dismantled via a plan set forth by a Christian theocratic organization.

How this isn't registering for so many people who haven't bought into the cult I have no idea. It's right in front of everyone's face.
 
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jdubs03

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so to summarize
1) america is racist and misogynist
2) better a confident lie than a nervous truth
It’s definitely more than that. That’s why I go with ignorant and/or apathetic, in addition to your points above. I think the racism and misogyny is probably a bit overdone. But it is part of the equation for sure.
frankly i think biden would have been absolutely crushed after his debate performance. democrat turnout would be a shitshow because no one, absolutely no one, would have any shred of enthusiasm. After that moment, switching to Harris was the right move, and the only viable move, to have a chance at winning (and preserving democracy)
Agreed. It was the right decision. Biden was cooked after that debate. It’s highly unlikely he’d recover enough to be in the position Harris is currently in. Her candidacy has provided an energy that Biden would not have been able to.
 

Indus

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So much negative information has come out plus the debates.
And yet there has been a rightward shift.
View attachment 108699
I’m wondering if yesterday’s good employment report plus the special counsel filing will reverse this recent shift. If it doesn’t, err Houston we’ve got a problem. A big problem.

People don't want migrants. They do want some weird non existent Trump $2 a gallon gas and economy.

Anything said about their favorite candidate in a negative light is FAKE. FFS look at the hurricane misinformation.

The numbers reinforce this at every turn.. undecide voters are Trump voters. And I've not seen any poll where Trump poll + undecided is lower than Kam's voters.

Add to that Europe is turning anti-migrant and voting out governments.. which is a very good indicator usually. Only 23% people think US is on the right track.

Help us Gen Z.. you're our only hope!
 

gothuevos

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So much negative information has come out plus the debates.
And yet there has been a rightward shift.
View attachment 108699
I’m wondering if yesterday’s good employment report plus the special counsel filing will reverse this recent shift. If it doesn’t, err Houston we’ve got a problem. A big problem.

Big yikes. Needs to be Harris +4-5 to have a chance.

Dems still have a chance at the House, their only chance at trying to gum up the works.
 

Indus

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Big yikes. Needs to be Harris +4-5 to have a chance.

Dems still have a chance at the House, their only chance at trying to gum up the works.

Used to be Biden could win NY by 30 points.. now it'll be like 10-12 if that. And NC was usually +5 Trump now it's truly swing.

That's messing up the national.

Stop believing this is a normal election cycle.

Harris could win this and Trump could have a popular vote win.
 

Indus

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I think this is the least likely scenario. But it would be interesting to see if the GOP would suddenly embrace changes to the EC.

Nahh, they would just scream fraud.

Looking at latino numbers for Trump from 2016 to 2024.. it's clear he's gained in a few places that were already very red.
 

gothuevos

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Used to be Biden could win NY by 30 points.. now it'll be like 10-12 if that. And NC was usually +5 Trump now it's truly swing.

That's messing up the national.

Stop believing this is a normal election cycle.

Harris could win this and Trump could have a popular vote win.

The only consistent thing the last few cycles has been continual underestimation of Trump's support/strength. And given that he has lost no voters and has only slowly gained with minority groups, you can see why this looks like a loss for Harris.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Used to be Biden could win NY by 30 points.. now it'll be like 10-12 if that. And NC was usually +5 Trump now it's truly swing.

That's messing up the national.

Stop believing this is a normal election cycle.

Harris could win this and Trump could have a popular vote win.
That would be bucking a multiple-decade trend, unlikely.