Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[cytg111]

I've been on the road since noon. I got some glimpses of Kamala's economic plan and I like it. But did she talk about taxing corporations and the very wealthy? Besides criticizing Trump wanting to give them more tax breaks, but what about taxing them more under her presidency?

From a strategic viewpoint, would it be beneficial to talk about even if it was her plan?

 

[MrSquished]

From a strategic viewpoint, would it be beneficial to talk about even if it was her plan?

Yes I definitely think talking about taxing corporations so they pay their fair share is actually a very good policy - politically and strategically.

 

[cytg111]

Yes I definitely think talking about taxing corporations so they pay their fair share is actually a very good policy - politically and strategically.

Yes but do you wanna put it on a billboard now?

How much are you gonna rake in on that talking point?
How many billions will billionaires throw at Trump-PAC's (that is openly colluding with Trump right now) if she announced a 90% tax rate?

I am not sure its worth it.
Do it. Dont advertise it. Like Ukraine did with Kursk.

 

[Indus]

The only third party goof I remember that posed any real threat was Perot.

Don't forget:



and more recently



Give Hildabeast Jill Stein's votes and she wins..

So I tend to respect 3rd party candidates a bit more than the average poster as it can make a difference.

 

[Pens1566]

We've seen 3 modern elections where the 3rd party likely directly impacted the outcome. Perot in '92, Nader in '00, and Stein/Johnson in '16.

Have to wonder what the world would look like today if W and Trump were never elected ...

 

[MrSquished]

Yes but do you wanna put it on a billboard now?

How much are you gonna rake in on that talking point?
How many billions will billionaires throw at Trump-PAC's (that is openly colluding with Trump right now) if she announced a 90% tax rate?

I am not sure its worth it.
Do it. Dont advertise it. Like Ukraine did with Kursk.

Strongly disagree. Those people are always going to donate for Trump they know the deal. You can't base policy just on fear of the other side. That's absolutely what gets Democrats into so many messes.

This is about getting voters to the polls and it's a very popular policy position. She should be talking about it

 

[Stokely]

She's doing fine without putting out shooting gallery targets (aka, policies - and isn't Congress supposed to be doing the legislation anyway?). As long as that continues, why change. The American public wants vibe and zingers and 99% of them would be boooorrred with any policy description longer than a sentence.

Speaking personally, in no world I can imagine would any of her policies get me to vote any quicker against Trump, so there's that.

Whatever they decide, here's hoping it works to win this election.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Is Kam's plan workable?

Kamala Harris' Grocery 'Price Gouging' Plan Is Riddled With Problems, Experts Say​

It's 'hard to exaggerate how bad Kamala Harris's price-gouging proposal is,' one liberal columnist wrote.


Super Donny Ultra Business Dood.

Over 100 of Donald Trump's Companies Make No Money: Financial Disclosures​

The documents were released this week and are the first public insight into the former president's earnings this year.

 

[Paratus]

We've seen 3 modern elections where the 3rd party likely directly impacted the outcome. Perot in '92, Nader in '00, and Stein/Johnson in '16.

Have to wonder what the world would look like today if W and Trump were never elected ...

Could you imagine if Gore had kept up the fiscal policies of the Clinton years coupled with a limited engagement in Afghanistan? The deficit would have been about 1/3 of what we have now.

Would be farther along on climate change mitigation too.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ Personally I'm kind of glad Tipper got pushed out of the limelight before she could harm entertainment any more than she tried to.

 

[dlerious]

and more recently

Give Hildabeast Jill Stein's votes and she wins..

If Gary Johnson votes went to Trump it wouldn't matter. His 4.5 million total votes would've given Trump the popular vote as well I believe.

 

[nakedfrog]

Is Kam's plan workable?

Kamala Harris' Grocery 'Price Gouging' Plan Is Riddled With Problems, Experts Say​

It's 'hard to exaggerate how bad Kamala Harris's price-gouging proposal is,' one liberal columnist wrote.

I hadn't checked in on it before, but when I saw a headline being announced about it, it seemed like a questionable idea, but would also be a popular thing to bring up on the campaign trail without necessarily intending to follow through on it (like Trump's "Lock Her Up").

 

[Indus]

If Gary Johnson votes went to Trump it wouldn't matter. His 4.5 million total votes would've given Trump the popular vote as well I believe.

Yeah Hillary ran a terrible campaign. She assumed people would just vote for her because she's not an orange fucktard.

But it wasn't enough and her and RBG's hubris clearly cost us a lot. It may take decades to fix if it's even possible.

 

[Indus]

Man they are weird..

Another investigation that goes nowhere I bet..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824448087223370135

 

[Brainonska511]

Man they are weird..

Another investigation that goes nowhere I bet..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824448087223370135

I see Republicans are up to the same old same old. Who cares for good governance when you can just run witch hunts against your political enemies.

 

[dainthomas]

Man they are weird..

Another investigation that goes nowhere I bet..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824448087223370135

Wow, going back to the classics I see.

 

[Indus]

Wow, going back to the classics I see.

The guy doesn't even have a single stock or shares and lives off his salary and teacher's pension.

Good luck finding boogeyman bribes much less chinese bribes.

 

[dlerious]

Wow, going back to the classics I see.

The democrats should start throwing it back in their face by quoting all the positive things Trump said about Xi, Kim, and Putin.

 

[Dave_5k]

Is Kam's plan workable?

Kamala Harris' Grocery 'Price Gouging' Plan Is Riddled With Problems, Experts Say​

It's 'hard to exaggerate how bad Kamala Harris's price-gouging proposal is,' one liberal columnist wrote.


Super Donny Ultra Business Dood.

Over 100 of Donald Trump's Companies Make No Money: Financial Disclosures​

The documents were released this week and are the first public insight into the former president's earnings this year.

I liked her better when she was providing no policy guidance.

1) Creating a new federal government bureaucracy, to solve an almost non-existent problem - which is already covered in most (37) states by existing price gouging laws for the very rare occurrence.

2) Adding new unfunded federal stimulus handout programs, including one time cash payments or equivalent refundable tax credits for first time homebuyers and newborns. With other changes, a further $2 trillion in deficit spending (over a decade).

The Kamala Harris Agenda to Lower Costs for American Families | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2024-08-16-Vice President Kamala Harris released a document today – the Agenda to

www.crfb.org

So far, she's batting 0 for 2 on big new policy proposals, and that's being generous in scoring (I'd actually rate the first one as a total negative, not even a zero. And the second would be potentially ok - if the budget was remotely close to under control, and if the economy needed a large stimulus boost - neither of which is remotely applicable.)

Although continuing the Biden passed plan to negotiate and reduce drug prices for Medicare was a big and ongoing win, and worth expanding on.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The democrats should start throwing it back in their face by quoting all the positive things Trump said about Xi, Kim, and Putin.

They give no fucks about that, it is only about winning.

 

[MrSquished]

I liked her better when she was providing no policy guidance.

1) Creating a new federal government bureaucracy, to solve an almost non-existent problem - which is already covered in most (37) states by existing price gouging laws for the very rare occurrence.

2) Adding new unfunded federal stimulus handout programs, including one time cash payments or equivalent refundable tax credits for first time homebuyers and newborns. With other changes, a further $2 trillion in deficit spending (over a decade).

The Kamala Harris Agenda to Lower Costs for American Families | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2024-08-16-Vice President Kamala Harris released a document today – the Agenda to

www.crfb.org

So far, she's batting 0 for 2 on big new policy proposals, and that's being generous in scoring (I'd actually rate the first one as a total negative, not even a zero. And the second would be potentially ok - if the budget was remotely close to under control, and if the economy needed a large stimulus boost - neither of which is remotely applicable.)

Although continuing the Biden passed plan to negotiate and reduce drug prices for Medicare was a big and ongoing win, and worth expanding on.

I appreciate what she said today, corporations are fucking people over with prices and blaming it all on inflation - sure that was some of it but the rest is greedflation. I spoke to multiple people today who are thrilled with what she put forward today. Things to help regular people, not the rich. Good for her!

btw Dave, you forgot to bitch about this part

 

[Zorba]

I appreciate what she said today, corporations are fucking people over with prices and blaming it all on inflation - sure that was some of it but the rest is greedflation. I spoke to multiple people today who are thrilled with what she put forward today. Things to help regular people, not the rich. Good for her!

btw Dave, you forgot to bitch about this part

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All seems alright to me, should be more focus on buyable multi-family housing. Giving money to people as a credit is often just a give away to sellers, though.

At least in a lot of America, there will have to be incentives to get builders to build enough housing that prices actually go down, even if all red tape is removed.

 

[Zorba]

I liked her better when she was providing no policy guidance.

1) Creating a new federal government bureaucracy, to solve an almost non-existent problem - which is already covered in most (37) states by existing price gouging laws for the very rare occurrence.

2) Adding new unfunded federal stimulus handout programs, including one time cash payments or equivalent refundable tax credits for first time homebuyers and newborns. With other changes, a further $2 trillion in deficit spending (over a decade).

The Kamala Harris Agenda to Lower Costs for American Families | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2024-08-16-Vice President Kamala Harris released a document today – the Agenda to

www.crfb.org

So far, she's batting 0 for 2 on big new policy proposals, and that's being generous in scoring (I'd actually rate the first one as a total negative, not even a zero. And the second would be potentially ok - if the budget was remotely close to under control, and if the economy needed a large stimulus boost - neither of which is remotely applicable.)

Although continuing the Biden passed plan to negotiate and reduce drug prices for Medicare was a big and ongoing win, and worth expanding on.

Price gouging should be fixed by fixing anti-trust laws and enforcement. There should be 50 meat companies in the US, not 3. 3 grocery chains shouldn't have a 70% market share.

Incentivizing housing construction and some baby birthing is a good long term policy. Very much depending on how it is done.

 

[Brainonska511]

At least in a lot of America, there will have to be incentives to get builders to build enough housing that prices actually go down, even if all red tape is removed.

There are plenty of incentives for builders to build, because that is their core business: build, sell, and move on. Fix a lot of the red tape issues and they can build different units for other price points of the market, just like they could long ago.

There are of course developers who run an integrated business of building and then managing the units as rentals, and their incentive structures might differ from the straight builders.

 

[Zorba]

There are plenty of incentives for builders to build, because that is their core business: build, sell, and move on. Fix a lot of the red tape issues and they can build different units for other price points of the market, just like they could long ago.

There are of course developers who run an integrated business of building and then managing the units as rentals, and their incentive structures might differ from the straight builders.

Home builders will not build so much that they depress their own prices. Spec building around here is way down, even in currently approved and developing neighbors.

Still a lot of multifamily, all rentals though. But I've read multifamily housing starts are set to go down a lot next year, because developers are worried about demand.

This is no different than Ford not building so many cars that prices drop like a rock.