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nakedfrog

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What we need is ranked choice voting, but that's against the best interests of the entrenched parties, so I don't know how we get there from here.
 
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balloonshark said:
Those are all republican stances and not center. We are facing so many problems and I'm not seeing any solutions to any of those problems. I would like more clarification because just ignoring those issues isn't going to cut it. I always assumed Harris was a wall street democrat (republican light) and this just reinforces that assumption.


I know which is more suited (and I won't vote R) but I'm thinking big picture. We need to start thinking about our future on this planet. Nothing is going to change when both parties have the same stances. Trump is a monster but when Harris has the same policies it's just gut wrenching.

I want us to start fixing issues and stop kicking the can down the road like both parties have done for years.
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LOL if you actually think Trump and Harris have the same policies.

Legislatively, the Biden administration was phenomenally successful in its first two years while having just 50 Senators and the tiebreaker. Two of those Senators were Manchin and Sinema. Biden was also accused of being too conservative or bipartisan prior to his presidency, but he did more for the progressive agenda than expected.

IF Harris becomes POTUS and is half as successful as Joe Biden was in one term, we'll be okay. The reality is our nation is deeply divided, so any change is incremental unless and until Dems win states like Florida and Texas. But first you have got to stop the bleeding, and the Roberts SC has inflicted a ton of damage already.
 
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balloonshark said:
I am not impressed. So both candidates are flip flopping around on issues. I hope she starts getting serious about what her policies are soon because so far I have no reason to go to the polls in Nov. Not that my vote counts anyways here but I like to vote to send a message.
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You don't have a down ballot reason to vote?!

I live in Kentucky and my vote for a Democrat president will never directly impact any election. I still go and vote for all the down ballots and of course any initiatives they add.
 
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MrSquished

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I liked Walz on the call just now, he lives up to what I've been reading about him.

Also White Dudes for Harris has broken 3 million in donations. Let's goo!
 
MrSquished

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Joseph Gordon-Levitt is on the call now. Looks like he is in his garage which has been set up as a total smoke session room. Respect.
 
Muse

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It's fairly obvious that Joe Biden was going to lose. According to polls, some 70%+ of voters said he was too old for the job. Politico reported the thing that finally convinced him to pass the baton were dismal polls from PA and MI, two must-win states.

IMHO Harris is still the underdog, but at least she's got a "puncher's chance" now. The first week has gone incredibly well for her, but there's a lot of campaign runway left and Dems have to not only defeat DJT, they have to do it with a rigged Electoral College system.

RJK Jr. is 70 years old; he's not that far away from dinosaur status himself. Most U.S. public corporations wouldn't even consider hiring a 70 year old for a senior executive position.
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Kamala Harris has won every contest for elective office she has run for. She is undefeated. I don't figure her for underdog. Right now it's a toss up. It's hard for me to be rational about this because I detest Trump so much. I loath that creature. I don't like Vance any better, actually. I find him very unlikeable. The populace finds Trump unlikeable too. 98 days.

Trump on the stump declared Kamala to be a horrible debater, but I figure he's scared to debate her, terrified, maybe. But he's mercurial. He's incapable of being the same person tomorrow he was today. He has no center, he believes in nothing. One thing he will not allow himself to do is doubt himself. He may agree to debate Kamala. He's incapable of making a resolution and sticking to it, so yeah.
 
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"Both parties are the same" is one of those slightly more nuanced "intellectually impaired" indicators. Trying to be nice. No it's not quite as strident as a red hat or yelling "Woke!" but its the next tier down.

The damn parties are not the same. List out the policies--this takes actual effort, so I just lost everyone saying it in the first place--and compare.

Just because no party hits your own personal bingo utopia card doesn't mean they are the same. No party will ever do that for everyone.

I'd probably wish for someone more left than either Kamala or Biden. I'd like to see an all-hands-on-deck, we all need to sacrifice NOW to head off climate change candidate. But they aren't being elected for President of Me. Such a candidate would get trounced.
 
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Stokely said:
"Both parties are the same" is one of those slightly more nuanced "intellectually impaired" indicators. Trying to be nice. No it's not quite as strident as a red hat or yelling "Woke!" but its the next tier down.

The damn parties are not the same. List out the policies--this takes actual effort, so I just lost everyone saying it in the first place--and compare.

Just because no party hits your own personal bingo utopia card doesn't mean they are the same. No party will ever do that for everyone.

I'd probably wish for someone more left than either Kamala or Biden. I'd like to see an all-hands-on-deck, we all need to sacrifice NOW to head off climate change candidate. But they aren't being elected for President of Me. Such a candidate would get trounced.
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The seriousness of the climate crisis is becoming more and more obvious at a rapid clip, more than most anyone anticipated. Just today on NBC evening national news they made mention of the fact that the current worst fire in California, the Park Fire, is already the 6th worst fire in California history. Next thing the interviewee said was that the 6 worst fires in California history all occurred in the last 6 years. It's becoming more and more evident that climate change is an emerging monster. It's going to become obvious to most people by and by, whether or not a POTUS candidate stumps on the issue.
 
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Muse said:
Kamala Harris has won every contest for elective office she has run for. She is undefeated. I don't figure her for underdog. Right now it's a toss up. It's hard for me to be rational about this because I detest Trump so much. I loath that creature. I don't like Vance any better, actually. I find him very unlikeable. The populace finds Trump unlikeable too. 98 days.

Trump on the stump declared Kamala to be a horrible debater, but I figure he's scared to debate her, terrified, maybe. But he's mercurial. He's incapable of being the same person tomorrow he was today. He has no center, he believes in nothing. One thing he will not allow himself to do is doubt himself. He may agree to debate Kamala. He's incapable of making a resolution and sticking to it, so yeah.
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Except that time in 2020 when she was a candidate in the Democratic presidential primaries before quitting. Winning statewide office in true blue California is one thing, winning in competitive states around the country is another animal entirely.

I didn't say Harris is a big underdog. The state of the contest is rightly viewed as a coin flip or a 55/45 situation. The Harris campaign has indeed gotten off to a fantastic start, so hopefully they can continue winning over voters in the battleground states.

You don't have to convince me that Trump is awful, and we're not the ones who will decide the Electoral College.
 
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Muse said:
The seriousness of the climate crisis is becoming more and more obvious at a rapid clip, more than most anyone anticipated. Just today on NBC evening national news they made mention of the fact that the current worst fire in California, the Park Fire, is already the 6th worst fire in California history. Next thing the interviewee said was that the 6 worst fires in California history all occurred in the last 6 years. It's becoming more and more evident that climate change is an emerging monster. It's going to become obvious to most people by and by, whether or not a POTUS candidate stumps on the issue.
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Eventually the parties won't have to convince people to vote for them for climate reasons, people will demand it out of the parties. Unfortunately things will already be so, so much worse by then.
 
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The obvious huge problem with people noticing climate change affecting them personally is by then it's too late to do much about it.

This country has become both anti-intellectual and crazy with all the conspiracy thinking. Can't trust actual scientists with education in the fucking field of climatology who have been saying for decades there's going to be a problem.
 
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^^^ Problem is some of the 'scientists' are part of the cult, same way many doctors and other professionals are. You have experts contradicting experts, so the general public doesn't know who to believe.
 
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Yeah, that's mostly a problem with (anti) social media. Easy to find and pay some real doctor to peddle your snake oil colon cleansing product, no real testing or approval needed. People believe ads like that, but when a group of other doctors come out saying there's no proof it does anything, that's the "medical establishment trying to suppress it". Conspiracy sickness.

I'm sure there are skeptical real scientists (not religious kooks or people paid by some right wing fund) who disagree that Climate Change is serious. That's the nature of science. It's reached critical mass though, like Pens said above. It's not Al Gore making speeches, it's an overwhelming number of people working in that field of science. So rather than believe them, because they are saying things we don't like, people just put it down to some leftist scheme to...steal freedom with weather machines or something? Makes no fucking sense but neither does any of the other conspiracy garbage out there.

"We" (most of us will be dead before the worst of it hits) can pay now or pay a lot more later, assuming our society even survives it. I guess we pay later at this point. I'm still not voting for the assholes saying the elephant in the room isn't there. Even if the rest of their platform was palatable (it isn't), this one issue is enough for me to vote Democrat despite the fact that they are only "meh" on it.
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
Eventually the parties won't have to convince people to vote for them for climate reasons, people will demand it out of the parties. Unfortunately things will already be so, so much worse by then.
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ATM, a blue tsunami is our best hope. Some scientific break throughs would help.
 
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K1052 said:
Like if you have cancer you can either believe all the doctors who say you should get modern drugs and chemo or the one who wants to rub herbs on you.
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The big problem is how some media outlets portray consensus, particularly with "political" issues. Their insane desire for balance has led to plenty of stories where you have 1-2 experts and 1 crank, so the general public sees controversy where there is largely no scientific controversy.
 
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