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[Pens1566]

What people say and what is is something very different. It's what is that counts. Talk is cheap. Opinionated people are not as dangerous as desperate people.

If that were the case, those people would have likely voted much differently in this election. They didn't. They cited a terrible economy as one of their main drivers in voting the way they did.

 

[HomerJS]

Attempts were made to keep him off the ballot because of 1/6 but failed. IIRC the SCOTUS kept him on the CO ballot. It has to be because they didn't deem that he provoked an insurrection. I disagree. The SCOTUS could decree the constitution be tossed into a recycle bin, sure. I'm not as certain as many here that they will let Trump do any goddamn thing.

SCOTUS did not rule in the merits of Trump and insurrection. They claimed he stays on the ballot because it would cause chaos in many states

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If the idea is that civil unrest will stop Trump we are already in a very, very bad place.

The legal and constitutional system has failed so they are no longer restraints on the presidency.

Yup, civil unrest and 2A solutions are literally the last lever to pull. If that happens, the govt needs to be reformed.

 

[Muse]

Why is that so hard for you to believe? We know the following is cool with his people

Rape
sexual assault
Murder on 5th ave
Endangering the lives of citizens (Haitian bomb threats)

Trump could get caught red handed raping a 9 year old girl and his people wouldn’t give a damn so long as they get cheap eggs and gas

Tell me why I’m wrong

show me the tape of his raping a 9 YO girl. He thinks he has a lot of immunity and he does, but how willing is he to test that? He could be removed from office a couple of ways, the 24th amendment, impeachment, there's assassination too.

 

[Brainonska511]

Attempts were made to keep him off the ballot because of 1/6 but failed. IIRC the SCOTUS kept him on the CO ballot. It has to be because they didn't deem that he provoked an insurrection. I disagree. The SCOTUS could decree the constitution be tossed into a recycle bin, sure. I'm not as certain as many here that they will let Trump do any goddamn thing.

No, SCOTUS kept him on because they suddenly decided that states don't have the power to control their elections in that way. They didn't disagree with the factual findings of the trial court.

 

[Pens1566]

Check for your sanity.

I mean, you've been provided citations for everything that you've questioned and you just seem to not understand that the rules don't apply to the president elect.

 

[fskimospy]

Don't waste your breath some people will never believe that SCOTUS could rule in such a manner.

Part of me still can’t believe they ruled to make the president a king but here we are.

 

[kage69]

Where do you get that? You think the SCOTUS decision handed him that?

SCROTUS ruled that Trump was presumptively immune from criminal liability for his official acts, and is absolutely immune for some “core” of them — including his attempts to use the Justice Department to obstruct the results of the election.

All he has to do is say he considered it part of his official duty. In effect, king status.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Part of me still can’t believe they ruled to make the president a king but here we are.

They didn't rule that the President is king just that Trump is king.

 

[K1052]

Republicans benefit from the public believing that their plans are not so cartoonishly villainous because it strains credibility to them.

 

[fskimospy]

show me the tape of his raping a 9 YO girl.

He was found to have raped E Jean Carroll by a jury of his peers.

He thinks he has a lot of immunity and he does, but how willing is he to test that? He could be removed from office a couple of ways, the 24th amendment, impeachment, there's assassination too.

Why wouldn’t Trump just have anyone who tried to remove him from office killed? It’s 100% legal for him to do.

 

[gothuevos]

Yup, civil unrest and 2A solutions are literally the last lever to pull. If that happens, the govt needs to be reformed.

This is stupid because the country is majority MAGA which means law enforcement and military are majority MAGA.

This isn't a movie or a game. Realize that we are the minority now, with little to no power.

 

[dlerious]

So what kind of democracy should we have? What part of the population should be chosen to elect the president? The majority of the people voted for Trump, more importantly, the majority of the states voted for Trump.
Democracy is a good thing or a bad thing, you can't have it both way's.

The majority of people who voted chose Trump. Last numbers I saw were 330+ million citizens and 161+ million registered voters. Trump is sitting around 72 million votes. That's less than half the voters and a quarter of citizens.

 

[Pens1566]

There are at least 2 explicit sections of the constitution (emoluments and A14S3) that have already been rendered moot by his past actions/cases, along with a non-existent immunity created out of thin air. That's a pretty broad and sweeping "I can do anything and there's nothing anyone can do about it" set of circumstances.

 

[Muse]

If that were the case, those people would have likely voted much differently in this election. They didn't. They cited a terrible economy as one of their main drivers in voting the way they did.

That doesn't mean they will be OK with Trump having people assassinated or incarcerated at his whim.

 

[DarthKyrie]

That doesn't mean they will be OK with Trump having people assassinated or incarcerated at his whim.

Who is going to stop him?

 

[Pens1566]

That doesn't mean they will be OK with Trump having people assassinated or incarcerated at his whim.

They've apparently been fine with him raping/frauding/seditioning/espionaging ... why would you assume they would draw a line there? He'd be doing it to some "other" that isn't them after all.

 

[Muse]

Who is going to stop him?

They may not stop him but such behavior would have consequences, one being guerilla warfare, a very open ended thing.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This is stupid because the country is majority MAGA which means law enforcement and military and majority MAGA.

This isn't a movie or a game. Realize that we are the minority now, with little to no power.

Trump's not superman. Humans always have power as long as they're permitted the ability to defend themselves, that's the essence of the 2A.

 

[gothuevos]

Recall, JD Vance very openly and very recently advocated for the GOP to not be shy about "wielding power."

Any notions of restraint or guardrails or checks and balances are out the window now. They own those institutions anyways. AND they just got a mandate from the electorate.

How do you counter that?

This feels like "keep your head down, stay out of trouble and go about your life" territory. Best case we turn into Hungary or Russia. "Free" with elections but you know who calls the shots (broligarchs).

Avoiding the gulag is the life goal now.

 

[HomerJS]

show me the tape of his raping a 9 YO girl. He thinks he has a lot of immunity and he does, but how willing is he to test that? He could be removed from office a couple of ways, the 24th amendment, impeachment, there's assassination too.

If there is a tape they claim AI. If there is an eye witness they claim deep state

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They may not stop him but such behavior would have consequences.

Lol, what consequences? He won't get re-elected when we don't have another election?

You sound like a piteous German shortly before the night of long knives.

 

[Indus]

Hitler did not start as an extreme fascist. He literally said the same things trump says. Blamed the immigrants, deport the undesirables, enemies of the state, etc. How far it goes depends on how far his supporters (both within and without of the govt) will take it.

You motherfuckers really don't get it. There isn't some great divide between humans. Groups of humans (and individuals for that matter) all behave pretty much the same. We're on the actual cusp of a transition of government to something much, much worse, and I can't wait for it to happen so that a) we can get it over with faster, and so b) i can hear all the fucking idiots saying 'nobody could have predicted that this would happen' right before I bash them over the head with a rock.

You're preaching to the wrong crowd.

I agree with you.. infact my elderly father said what does this mean for us. I was honest.. I said he can deport us.

He said no he just means the illegal immigrants.. they'll be the first. We have citizenship so we're safe.

But then I retorted.. yes but he wants an all white christian country.

 

[Perknose]

If you can have anyone who opposes you killed at will how is that not unlimited power?

And it wouldn't be that simple or clear cut. T-Rump wouldn't be holding the gun. There would be . . . enough . . . deniability for those who wish to deny it that it would be just like the Jan 6 insurrection. "I din't do nuthing."

 

[DarthKyrie]

They may not stop him but such behavior would have consequences.

From who? The government will be filled with sycophants. If Trump begins to fear an uprising, he will order all firearms illegal for the people and have them taken 2A be damned.