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Indus

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Definitely didn't have this on my bingo card either!

He's trying to pay Stormy to be quiet again and she recorded it.. it's on this video!

The forecast just became Stormy again!

FFS.. stop with distractions.. focus on abortion not on stormy!

 
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MrSquished

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Kamala is running a very very good to excellent campaign. She is such an accomplished an intelligent woman and it's it really shows when she's interviewing. Of course there is room with improvement, such as accepting some mistakes under Biden, but overall she is an impressive candidate.

If she loses the reasons are simply a lack of American exceptionalism, In other words the amount of sexist unevolved racist trash who live here, our absolutely stacked for the right political institutions, and the absolutely bonkers stainwashing of the right by the mainstream media.

Can't blame the candidate or her campaign. Less than 20 days.
 

Muse

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Michelle Obama is doing a big event in Georgia targeting younger voters later this month.

I thought it was funny when I read a post here in the last week 'did we just give up on Georgia?'
Michelle Obama killed it at the DNC. This should help!!!

Georgia opened up early voting yesterday. It "smashed" the old record, which was around 130,000 votes on the 1st day. Yesterday was around 250,000. Saw a photo, looked like a lot of females showed up. I figure Georgia's in play to say the least. What do I know? Nothing, but heavy early voting has me hoping that there's a sense of urgency for Democratic/Kamala supporters.
 
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Muse

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On his 100th birthday he said he was super looking forward to voting for Kamala!

“He’s plugged in,” Chip Carter told The Associated Press. “I asked him two months ago if he was trying to live to be 100, and he said, ‘No, I’m trying to live to vote for Kamala Harris.’”
:p
 

Muse

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To this very day I still can't come to grips with the fact that a convicted felon, known adulterer and rapist, blatant tax cheat, racist, got caught stealing top secret gov't docs, facing an imminent sentencing for falsifying business records and under indictment for other crimes he'd probably committed is still tied for a second chance to lead the most powerful nation on the face of the earth. Is there in existence a justifiable prime motivator that compels his supporters to elect to the highest office of the land such a blatantly lying sleazeball infantile narcissist?

Would Kamala Harris or any other Democrat for that matter still be in the running with a rap sheet as illustrious as Trump's? <--(rhetorical). I wish a fervent Trump supporter would take a bounce into this forum and give us a straight up honest answer instead of the side slips and jukes we've been hosed with.

And why is that Republicans consider economic issues one of their highest priorities yet their candidates for office rarely ever bring it to bear in their campaign speeches and ads as if it would literally kill their chances of being elected? Where aren't they providing their performance metrics that prove this alleged belief that Republicans are better at all things economically related when all they're doing is avoiding the topic when being faced with providing their evidence to prove their claims?

It's simply amazing how empty promises, emotionally driven disinformation/misinformation and blatant lies can convince half the nation to vote for the worst possible candidate this nation could come up with. Simply unfuckingbelievable yet there it is and there they are.
How many seasons did The Apprentice run? I heard 15. Boggles the mind. How many episodes have I watched? ZERO! My supposition is that people who watched that (millions... again and again) were convinced on some level that Trump was a great businessman. We know that's nonsense, but reeducating victims of the idiot box is a tall task. Myself, I detest Trump in the extreme.

Was talking to my somewhat redneck friend (who lives in the sticks in Northern California) on the phone the other day. He'd told me a few months ago that he'd never vote for a woman for political office. He's an Italian from New Jersey. He says now he's voting for Kamala, no question and intensely asserts that she will win "in a landslide." Honestly, I don't know what to believe. Nothing would surprise me now.
 

Muse

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Mostly simple "I'm a Republican, thus I support the Republicans" and "Democrats bad", building on a couple decades of billionaire propaganda. It's like still rooting for your sports team even when they've sucked for years and give every sign of having no idea what they're doing, you still root for your team.
Yeah, I was talking to a tradesman (tree-trimmer) from the east coast, long relocated to CA, a few months ago. Said he'd voted Republican his whole life. A bright guy, kind of odd, though. I asked him if he's going to vote for Trump this time (Biden was still running). He said no. Of course, who he will vote for I don't know. Personally, I can't imagine voting for a Republican, never have. Where I live Republicans are very rare, in fact.
 
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Pearls before swine! Love the voter’s series of sour looks as trump shovels on the horse shit!
Yeah the guy who asked the question was clearly un-amused. Unfortunately he's in Florida so his non-vote won't matter one iota.
 

trenchfoot

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Lest we forget, the Trumptards have been conditioned by Trump's sponsors, one of latest being Elon who has used his wealth to fashion himself as a "conservative" <---- and who the hell knows what that means anymore since Trump became the Republican's role model and Thief-in-Chief. They're the ones who are going to reap the rewards He claims his election got stolen from him while he was very busy trying to steal it himself and got caught in the act. Does it matter to his base of loonies and every other person that's going to vote for him? Of course not, but why not?

I understand should Trump lose again, there has been an effort mounted to prevent what he and his fellow henchmen tried the last time around. I'm just hoping it's enough to finally get his ass in jail where he's long overdue for a change of lifestyle by being assigned a gov't subsidy that includes housing, utilities, bread on his table and a spectacular view of the open air recreational facilities through those designer edition iron vertical blinds his daughter will insist on being furnished. As for Melania, well I'm sure it would be her fondest wish come true and hey, without Donald around, she can finally invite that buff pool boy and hunky building maintenance foreman to evenings of gratuitous revenge on Donald.
 

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Just watched the fux interview and Brett was a total asshole. She handled him very well i thought and was able to get in some very critical lines that should resonate with at least a few disaffected republican voters, especially when it came to the topic of dictatorship and democracy
 

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I did not have this on my bingo card..

Bret Baier tries to crush Kam but Kam PARRIES!

Once more I attribute her performance based on her experience as an accomplished prosecutor. She's had to face down so many of the accused and their barristers, it's second nature for her to examine and cross examine the opposition she goes up against. She knows when she's being led, being trapped, being snuck up on and best of all, she's on the side where facts matter and it really counts when she's standing toe to toe with FOX agents who must rely on disinformation, lies and disingenuity to slap her down with.
 
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gothuevos

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Agreed. I hope she does.

In other news early voting is absolutely destroying record numbers in Georgia. Generally speaking the higher turnout the better for Dems.

Unclear how that's going so far, as the highest turnout seems to be in Trump-won counties so far. Of course, the absolute number of votes could be higher in blue areas even with a lower % of turnout this far, but it appears that likely both sides are participating.

 
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Kamala is running a very very good to excellent campaign. She is such an accomplished an intelligent woman and it's it really shows when she's interviewing. Of course there is room with improvement, such as accepting some mistakes under Biden, but overall she is an impressive candidate.

If she loses the reasons are simply a lack of American exceptionalism, In other words the amount of sexist unevolved racist trash who live here, our absolutely stacked for the right political institutions, and the absolutely bonkers stainwashing of the right by the mainstream media.

Can't blame the candidate or her campaign. Less than 20 days.
Only one proposal I want from her. Quit saying you are going to help the "middle class" when all your proposals are directed to certain segments. Quit trying to pay for peoples kids (there is already a Federal tax credit, and most states have some sort of child tax credit as well), or help them buy a house, or build more housing. Just cut the middle class tax rates across the board. For a change, help the single taxpayers and childless married couples who have been paying taxes all their life and have been ignored by both the Reps and the Dems. After that, there could be directed tax cuts or credits for children, housing, etc. You might also explain how you are going to pay for it.

I think Kamala is running a decent, but not exceptional campaign. She says she wants to help the middle class, but I dont think she has been particularly convincing. I know she hasn't convinced me, as noted above. And I still think she made a mistake in picking Walz as VP. He has been pretty quiet of late, and I think that indicates people are growing tired of his good ol boy schtick. It also doesn't help that he seems to "mis-speak" every time he opens his mouth. If Pennsylvania comes down to the deciding votes, and she loses it, well, I told you so, she should have picked Shapiro. In addition to being from a swing state, he is more polished, politically experienced, and probably would have done better in the debate than Walz. And for heaven's sake, address crime, the economy and the border in addition to reproductive rights. At least repudiate some of the FUD the Reps are spreading about these issues.
 
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K1052

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EV analysis is going to be extremely fraught this year compared to 2020 due to voting method shifts. Be very wary of people drawing any conclusions. There are maybe 3 or 4 people that I listen to at all on this and they are all being very careful.
 
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K1052

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Only one proposal I want from her. Quit saying you are going to help the "middle class" when all your proposals are directed to certain segments. Quit trying to pay for peoples kids (there is already a Federal tax credit, and most states have some sort of child tax credit as well), or help them buy a house, or build more housing. Just cut the middle class tax rates across the board. For a change, help the single taxpayers and childless married couples who have been paying taxes all their life and have been ignored by both the Reps and the Dems. After that, there could be directed tax cuts or credits for children, housing, etc. You might also explain how you are going to pay for it.

I think Kamala is running a decent, but not exceptional campaign. She says she wants to help the middle class, but I dont think she has been particularly convincing. I know she hasn't convinced me, as noted above. And I still think she made a mistake in picking Walz as VP. He has been pretty quiet of late, and I think that indicates people are growing tired of his good ol boy schtick. It also doesn't help that he seems to "mis-speak" every time he opens his mouth. If Pennsylvania comes down to the deciding votes, and she loses it, well, I told you so, she should have picked Shapiro. In addition to being from a swing state, he is more polished, politically experienced, and probably would have done better in the debate than Walz. And for heaven's sake, address crime, the economy and the border in addition to reproductive rights. At least repudiate some of the FUD the Reps are spreading about these issues.

Walz has the highest favorable rating of any person on either ticket. Your axe to grind with him is not shared by everybody else.
 

gothuevos

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Walz has the highest favorable rating of any person on either ticket. Your axe to grind with him is not shared by everybody else.

Well that's an extremely low bar to clear.

PA looks like a coin flip at best. Seems asinine to not have taken Shapiro in this situation. She's scraping the bottom of the barrel for fringe voters at the margins (the few never Trumpers that remain, the unicorn "undecideds" that listen to Rogan, etc), but didn't take Shapiro instead? Huh? Make it make sense.

Agree with @ondma that it's been an ok campaign, but the betting markets seem unconvinced as they continue to gain in Trump's favor.

 

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Well that's an extremely low bar to clear.

PA looks like a coin flip at best. Seems asinine to not have taken Shapiro in this situation. She's scraping the bottom of the barrel for fringe voters at the margins (the few never Trumpers that remain, the unicorn "undecideds" that listen to Rogan, etc), but didn't take Shapiro instead? Huh? Make it make sense.

Agree with @ondma that it's been an ok campaign, but the betting markets seem unconvinced as they continue to gain in Trump's favor.


When picking a VP job one is to not fuck it up. Several candidates have nonetheless managed this in recent history like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and now Trump this time around.

Yes, after consolidating the base what comes next is trying to persuade gettable voters. Conversely Trump has zero interest in persuasion or even pretending to try.
 
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When picking a VP job one is to not fuck it up. Several candidates have nonetheless managed this in recent history like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and now Trump this time around.

Yes, after consolidating the base what comes next is trying to persuade gettable voters. Conversely Trump has zero interest in persuasion or even pretending to try.

What do you think attracts more gettable voters?

Picking a competent, well-liked VP candidate from a crucial swing state...or going after fringe margins on Fox News and JRE where 99.9% of these audiences already despise her?? Lol
 

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What do you think attracts more gettable voters?

Picking a competent, well-liked VP candidate from a crucial swing state...or going after fringe margins on Fox News and JRE where 99.9% of these audiences already despise her?? Lol

A lot of republicans voted for Haley even after she withdrew. Yes, she wants those voters. A lot of people who are almost totally disconnected from the political discourse listen to Rogan. Yes, she wants those voters

More votes good, less votes bad. This is not complicated.
 
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Well that's an extremely low bar to clear.

PA looks like a coin flip at best. Seems asinine to not have taken Shapiro in this situation. She's scraping the bottom of the barrel for fringe voters at the margins (the few never Trumpers that remain, the unicorn "undecideds" that listen to Rogan, etc), but didn't take Shapiro instead? Huh? Make it make sense.

Agree with @ondma that it's been an ok campaign, but the betting markets seem unconvinced as they continue to gain in Trump's favor.


What's your explanation as to why that is? What does Trump have to offer them that they prefer him over Harris? All I've been hearing out of Trump is lies and wholly unsubstantiated easily debunked accusations and weird non-sensical rhetoric. He offers nothing of substance on economic issues while he keeps hammering away at the pet eating immigrants, offering more security at the border after he shot all of that down when that very kind of legislation was passed in the Senate. So I'm honestly asking you what in your opinion is Trump offering to those that "continue to gain in Trump's favor" because I've seen absolutely nothing from him except bribes to certain working class folks when he should be offering the whole middle class a well deserved tax cut that he and his ilk have been preventing from happening.
 

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Interesting bit of reporting



Especially this bit. Weirdest electorate in the world.

“Some of us went in with flags to scream, ‘Free Palestine’.” said one young man who wouldn’t identify himself. Trump was talking about ending taxes on tips. “The flags got snatched from us. We got booed. We got kicked. I still support Trump though.” They complained that the burly security guard in front of them roughed them up, taunting him as they ambled on the periphery of the hall. A few minutes later, Secret Service agents arrested one of them.
 

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There are millions of people who watch FOX and Rogan. There is a non-zero chance that someone who is registered to vote and wasn't going to vote, may decide to vote for Harris. That's +1 Harris. Even more valuable would be any Trump voter who changes their mind. They have the highest vote weight of anyone, at +2 Harris.

Unless Harris is unable to hold her own against a couple of mediocre hosts, she will probably gain votes with the exposure. I mean, does anyone believe there are more FOX viewers or Rogan viewers who were going to vote for Harris, but will change their mind after seeing her on a platform they engage with?

Go for any and every possible vote. That's how you win an election.

I do like Harris' calling out Trump while putting herself out there and announcing new policies and how she is tough and fit compared to Trump.

Now is the time to put it all out there. Now is when a lot of the electorate are just starting to pay attention. We're still close to 3 weeks out until the last 12 hours of voting, which some people actually call election day instead of the very last moments of what could be the last election this country holds. Imagine just waiting until the last possible moments hoping nothing goes wrong in the last few hours of the maybe the last election. But I'm probably just exaggerating.