Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[BoomerD]

NYT:

Harris is talking to undecided voters, somehow this is bad.

At this point, I’m not so sure there is any such thing as an “undecided voter.”

 

[Indus]

At this point, I’m not so sure there is any such thing as an “undecided voter.”

Probably right but gotta reach the voters who're busy watching porn with one hand on the remote and eating cookies with the other with absolutely no desire to listen to news or politics.

 

[fskimospy]

At this point, I’m not so sure there is any such thing as an “undecided voter.”

I think people don't always account for political engagement and that's what Harris is trying to do here. I think there's nearly no one who reads the NYT, watches political news, etc. who is undecided at this point but there are a non-trivial number of people who probably either don't know there's an election in a month or are at best tangentially aware of it. The 'huh?' people are ones who might potentially be undecided.

 

[K1052]

I think people don't always account for political engagement and that's what Harris is trying to do here. I think there's nearly no one who reads the NYT, watches political news, etc. who is undecided at this point but there are a non-trivial number of people who probably either don't know there's an election in a month or are at best tangentially aware of it. The 'huh?' people are ones who might potentially be undecided.

Trump also will not go near any non-right wing media now so Harris has basically unlimited access to millions of unengaged voters that he refuses to campaign for.

 

[dlerious]

@Jaskalas Russians, despite their displays of “toughness” they aren’t exactly gusto in their resistance. I think things would be a hell of a lot different here. Especially because of the 2nd amendment.

I like my 2nd amendment, but I doubt its effectiveness if the military gets involved.

 

[Paratus]

Trump also will not go near any non-right wing media now so Harris has basically unlimited access to millions of unengaged voters that he refuses to campaign for.

Could you imagine if Trump loses and instead of blaming vote rigging his supporters blamed him for not campaigning enough for swing state and undecided voters like most Dems did for Hillary?

I mean it won’t happen, they don’t have the introspection. It’s just a thought that occurred to me.

 

[K1052]

Could you imagine if Trump loses and instead of blaming vote rigging his supporters blamed him for not campaigning enough for swing state and undecided voters like most Dems did for Hillary?

I mean it won’t happen, they don’t have the introspection. It’s just a thought that occurred to me.

Yeah, he's just going to declare victory no matter what happens and we get the weeks after the 2020 e-day drama but probably worse this time.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, he's just going to declare victory no matter what happens and we get the weeks after the 2020 e-day drama but probably worse this time.

I'm not sure if it will be worse. One of the BIG issues in 2020 was that Trump controlled the army and federal law enforcement which, had he gotten Pence to go along with the coup, would have allowed him to say 'I'm here in the White House, what are you going to do about it?'

I agree the lawsuits and BS after a Trump loss will probably be a total shit show but I think assuming he loses the threat to the republic is a lot less as if they do attempt another coup the facts on the ground favor Democrats.

 

[K1052]

I'm not sure if it will be worse. One of the BIG issues in 2020 was that Trump controlled the army and federal law enforcement which, had he gotten Pence to go along with the coup, would have allowed him to say 'I'm here in the White House, what are you going to do about it?'

I agree the lawsuits and BS after a Trump loss will probably be a total shit show but I think assuming he loses the threat to the republic is a lot less as if they do attempt another coup the facts on the ground favor Democrats.

Maybe it is just my perception but his campaign has become even more detached from reality than in 2020. The language he uses is apocalyptic and catnip for the right wing crazies. Last time we got a violent coup attempt, slightly concerned about what's going to happen this time in terms of broader obstruction and violence.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe it is just my perception but his campaign has become even more detached from reality than in 2020. The language he uses is apocalyptic and catnip for the right wing crazies. Last time we got a violent coup attempt, slightly concerned about what's going to happen this time in terms of broader obstruction and violence.

I guess it depends on how you're looking at this. I agree there's a large potential for worse violence from the right than we saw in 2020 although I think as you allude to it would be more diffuse like attacks on individual election officials, polling stations, etc. I do not anticipate another attack on the Capitol if for no other reason than I think it will be a fortress.

While I fully anticipate Trump attempting to steal the election again I think his ability to do so is less than in 2020 as Biden could just say 'fuck off'. Of course that has it's own very dark path.

 

[K1052]

Failing to convert half the Rep voters who voted for Haley in the GOP primary could indeed be a problem for the Trump campaign.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844041718934769712

 

[MrSquished]

The Uncommitted movement does not endorse Harris but clearly says she is the better choice and it is not good to vote third party, it's a binary choice, and Trump is worse for their cause - basically vote for Harris but not a formal endorsement.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4922430-uncommitted-group-back-harris/

 

[Muse]

At this point, I’m not so sure there is any such thing as an “undecided voter.”

There definitely are "decided" voters who will change their minds. If that weren't true, the campaigns would hang it up right now, but they won't.

 

[MrSquished]

Right now a lot of this is about turnout and reaching those voters. This is why the recent media blitz with a mix of traditional and non-traditional media, including that huge podcast for women, is very smart.

 

[Indus]

Right now a lot of this is about turnout and reaching those voters. This is why the recent media blitz with a mix of traditional and non-traditional media, including that huge podcast for women, is very smart.

Dunno if you remember Mike Francesca. He would have an afternoon show on the fan talking sports.. Seemed reasonable usually but he was a real right winger and would mix in digs at Obama/ Dems during sports talk shows when he had a gig. Guy had a massive audience.

Maybe Kam should try reaching out that way too.. even though I by my own admission told local sports to fuck off after I found out how they were donating to Trump. There isn't a single lefty owner in sports in America.. even the Rooneys/ Mara's are in on the Trump train secretly.

Must be atleast a few left leaning voters there.

 

[manly]

I think people don't always account for political engagement and that's what Harris is trying to do here. I think there's nearly no one who reads the NYT, watches political news, etc. who is undecided at this point but there are a non-trivial number of people who probably either don't know there's an election in a month or are at best tangentially aware of it. The 'huh?' people are ones who might potentially be undecided.

People must underestimate not only how dumb average people are, but how many of them there are.
I guess people also forget it's just a few hundred thousand voters spread across no more than 7 states that will decide the whole shebang.

There definitely are "decided" voters who will change their minds. If that weren't true, the campaigns would hang it up right now, but they won't.

Umm, this is Indus-level analysis but I guess the quotes are your attempt to be cheeky.

 

[Indus]

What caused the unmanly diarrhea this time?

Sniffing Trump Farts?

BTW it's quite obvious.. facts don't align with the Trumpistan narrative!

 

[brycejones]

What caused the unmanly diarrhea this time?

Sniffing Trump Farts?

BTW it's quite obvious.. facts don't align with the Trumpistan narrative!

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Let’s be honest Trump would be perfectly ok if a million Floridians died in the storm if he could blame Kamala for it. He is the only person in the world who actually matters after all.

 

[K1052]

Doing rallies in NYC and presumably urban NJ certainly is a..uh...strategy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844099832283267414

 

[BoomerD]

There definitely are "decided" voters who will change their minds. If that weren't true, the campaigns would hang it up right now, but they won't.

Bah...they still have $ MILLIONS $ of campaign dollars to spend.

 

[nakedfrog]

Doing rallies in NYC and presumably urban NJ certainly is a..uh...strategy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844099832283267414

I guess our NYC friends should tell people to look for seat-filler gigs

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Meanwhile the economy is so miserably terribly failing that the S&P has set yet another record, having beaten the one that was set just a few days ago.

 

[pmv]

This article broke my brain/did my head in. Couldn't understand the point it was making. Psephology is not my strong point, I guess. All I'm left with is the thought that the election is still wide open and too close to call.

A Florida Poll That Should Change the Way You Look at the Election

A big Trump lead in the state paradoxically adds to evidence of a smaller Electoral College edge for him. And a choice by pollsters may be causing them to miss state shifts.

www.nytimes.com

Edit - also, the EC system is really stupid. It's like everyone votes, then the result is used as the seed for some sort of random-number-generator.

 

[K1052]

Edit - also, the EC system is really stupid. It's like everyone votes, then the result is used as the seed for some sort of random-number-generator.

Look in their quest for balance the founders just intended that um Pennsylvania be suffocated under half a billion dollars worth of political advertising every four years.

 

[esquared]

This article broke my brain/did my head in. Couldn't understand the point it was making. Psephology is not my strong point, I guess. All I'm left with is the thought that the election is still wide open and too close to call.

A Florida Poll That Should Change the Way You Look at the Election

A big Trump lead in the state paradoxically adds to evidence of a smaller Electoral College edge for him. And a choice by pollsters may be causing them to miss state shifts.

www.nytimes.com

Edit - also, the EC system is really stupid. It's like everyone votes, then the result is used as the seed for some sort of random-number-generator.

Archived link:

https://archive.is/hNio2