Kamala Harris: Medicare for all, free pre-K, debt free college, $500 guaranteed pay increase

[Jhhnn]

More screaming about free shit from progressive politicians. I guess the $140,000 I paid last year in payroll taxes really wasn't my "fair share" and better increase my taxes even more!

If the burden of success is more than you can bear you can just chuck it & go on welfare, right?

 

[zinfamous]

And you also need a calculator because these fucking retarded liberals still don't understand that if they made a 90% tax bracket for those making $10m+ they STILL wouldn't have anywhere the amount of funding needed for "free medicare". You can't play the stupid game of calling rich people evil forever. At some point you have to actually have facts.

"I don't have a party"! "All liberals are retards!"

Yes, we get it: you have a party.

 

[IronWing]

So stop calling and advocating by saying the words "Free healthcare" or "Free college" or "free pre-k". It's not free. It's not free for the rich, it's not free for the middle class, and it's not free for the poor. Everyone will pay. Income taxes will increase all around.

Calling it free is not only misinformation, but it truly shows the IQ level of the voter base that is advocating such. Anytime someone advocates for enacting something that is as costly as increasing tax rates to pay for it should have to cite that in their stupid advertisement speeches

You're the one calling it "free".

 

[repoman0]

More screaming about free shit from progressive politicians. I guess the $140,000 I paid last year in payroll taxes really wasn't my "fair share" and better increase my taxes even more!

Rich people whining about their taxes is just glorious. Classic story ... a guy who pays more in taxes (at a crazy low tax rate historically and compared to the rest of the developed world) than well over 95% of the country brings home pretax doesn’t have enough already. What a problem to have

 

[child of wonder]

If the burden of success is more than you can bear you can just chuck it & go on welfare, right?

Rich people whining about their taxes is just glorious. Classic story ... a guy who pays more in taxes (at a crazy low tax rate historically and compared to the rest of the developed world) than well over 95% of the country brings home pretax doesn’t have enough already. What a problem to have

“Rich?”
“Crazy low tax rate?”

Don’t make me laugh.

I paid a third of my gross income in payroll taxes (Fed, State, SS, Medicare). 33% overall effective tax rate (not marginal). That STILL isn’t enough? I’m just a greedy rich guy?

Let’s tax your paychecks at 33% overall (even with you maxing out 401k and HSA contributions) and see how you like it.

 

[sdifox]

“Rich?”
“Crazy low tax rate?”

Don’t make me laugh.

I paid a third of my gross income in payroll taxes (Fed, State, SS, Medicare). 33% overall effective tax rate (not marginal). That STILL isn’t enough? I’m just a greedy rich guy?

Let’s tax your paychecks at 33% overall (even with you maxing out 401k and HSA contributions) and see how you like it.

I pay about one third as well but somehow we get univeral healthcare and you don't. You are right, you are being robbed.

 

[repoman0]

“Rich?”
“Crazy low tax rate?”

Don’t make me laugh.

I paid a third of my gross income in payroll taxes (Fed, State, SS, Medicare). 33% overall effective tax rate (not marginal). That STILL isn’t enough? I’m just a greedy rich guy?

Let’s tax your paychecks at 33% overall (even with you maxing out 401k and HSA contributions) and see how you like it.

More useless rich guy whining. Wahhhhh, I bring home more money than almost everyone on the planet I can probably find a shoulder for you to cry on in a homeless shelter somewhere.

My tax rate is not far behind by the way but thanks for assuming. I can’t imagine being tactless enough to bitch about it.

 

[Jhhnn]

“Rich?”
“Crazy low tax rate?”

Don’t make me laugh.

I paid a third of my gross income in payroll taxes (Fed, State, SS, Medicare). 33% overall effective tax rate (not marginal). That STILL isn’t enough? I’m just a greedy rich guy?

Let’s tax your paychecks at 33% overall (even with you maxing out 401k and HSA contributions) and see how you like it.

I'd probably like it just fine if I were making lots of money. I sure as hell wouldn't be beating tax cuts out of the GOP if I were astoundingly rich.

 

[child of wonder]

More useless rich guy whining. Wahhhhh, I bring home more money than almost everyone on the planet I can probably find a shoulder for you to cry on in a homeless shelter somewhere.

My tax rate is not far behind by the way but thanks for assuming. I can’t imagine being tactless enough to bitch about it.

Then you must be an evil rich person, too.

Why aren’t you paying your fair share?

 

[child of wonder]

I'd probably like it just fine if I were making lots of money. I sure as hell wouldn't be beating tax cuts out of the GOP if I were astoundingly rich.

I don’t beat tax cuts out of the GOP and I’m not astoundingly rich. I’ve always voted Democrat.

I support the progressive tax system. In 13 years I’ve gone from having a negative effective rate to where I am now and I SHOULD pay a higher tax rate.

What’s frustrating is to be demonized, told I don’t pay my fair share, to have politicians promise things with the intent of taking even more of my money, and that no matter how much I pay it’s NEVER enough.

 

[child of wonder]

No worries, I’m going to get my tax rate down to zero by spreading the word of Jeebus!

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t beat tax cuts out of the GOP and I’m not astoundingly rich. I’ve always voted Democrat.

I support the progressive tax system. In 13 years I’ve gone from having a negative effective rate to where I am now and I SHOULD pay a higher tax rate.

What’s frustrating is to be demonized, told I don’t pay my fair share, to have politicians promise things with the intent of taking even more of my money, and that no matter how much I pay it’s NEVER enough.

You made it personal, not anybody else, when you started whining.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Then you must be an evil rich person, too.

Why aren’t you paying your fair share?

Uncle sam will take a check at any time for any amount. You won't see them writing checks to help support the community that they proclaim to make efficient use of dollars.

 

[zerocool84]

Republicans have ZERO room to complain about any this proposed government spending. You guys are costing us billions with your tax cuts for the rich.

 

[Jhhnn]

Uncle sam will take a check at any time for any amount. You won't see them writing checks to help support the community that they proclaim to make efficient use of dollars.

Which justifies filers making $5M/month+ paying the same federal tax rate as filers making $85K/ year in what way, exactly?

Reference-

As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real. - The Washington Post

That was before the most recent tax giveaway to the rich, btw.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

“Rich?”
“Crazy low tax rate?”

Don’t make me laugh.

I paid a third of my gross income in payroll taxes (Fed, State, SS, Medicare). 33% overall effective tax rate (not marginal). That STILL isn’t enough? I’m just a greedy rich guy?

Let’s tax your paychecks at 33% overall (even with you maxing out 401k and HSA contributions) and see how you like it.

Your use of words and definitions are either incorrect or inaccurate. You're saying ALL your taxes -- taken from your paycheck are "payroll" taxes, but as I understand it, SS and Medicare are "payroll" taxes. With those two items, you are paying for something you might ordinarily PAY FOR if you were responsible for yourself and had the foresight to do it. Instead, we created those programs so that even those with a lack of foresight or even the MEANS would have a safety-net for old age and some health care.

Do you know the story of Ayn Rand? She must have squandered every penny she had. Apparently the royalties for her books didn't make her all that prosperous. Perhaps it was the drugs she abused. In those days, it probably wasn't the cigarettes, because they cost 25 cents a pack then.

But she developed lung-cancer, and couldn't afford medical care. Medicare had just become a reality. She was able to benefit from her husband's social security.

She was SO ASHAMED! She HATED the fact that her only salvation would come from Social Security and Medicare. But those programs took care of her in her last days.

Frankly, I think someone should've dropped her over Niagara Falls before she developed a limited following with her books. There is no Humanities department in the US that I know of which considers her a serious topic of study. Oh! All dem humanities departments -- literature, language, etc. -- dey all be soshaliss'!! Dem Librals would logically be found in de LIB-ER-AL ARTS programs, wouldn't dey! Tryin' to suck the precious bodily fluids out of students keen on languages. Languages are so soshaliss! Whas so impotent about great books and writing? You don't need to write! Get out there and make some money!

The Bitch never took a course in Economics or the other social sciences. Her "philosophy" derives from an education in the classic philosophy of the Ancients and she was big fan of Nietzsche. She got a free education through graduate "film school" in the USSR. Cecil B. DeMille made her his protégé, and that was the square she landed on when she came to America.

Perhaps she was bitter that her father's pharmacy was confiscated by the Bolsheviks, because she could no longer sneak into the back room and steal amphetamines and other wonderful brain vitamins.

 

[Blackjack200]

Your use of words and definitions are either incorrect or inaccurate. You're saying ALL your taxes -- taken from your paycheck are "payroll" taxes, but as I understand it, SS and Medicare are "payroll" taxes.

Yeah, the guy bitching about taxes can’t even be bothered to use proper terms.

 

[HomerJS]

Running on the everything is free playbook from Bernie. Another politician with empty promises to buy votes, go figure. Howard Schultz who’s also considering a run voiced grave concern recently over this mentality of everything needs to be free and that our trillions in debt are the biggest crisis facing this country. If he runs on that he’ll have my vote no matter what his other positions are.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1089647041976913920

Since you starting with an obvious agenda of trashing Kamala Harris, have an honest assessment of her polcies.

None of what you listed is advertised as free. Oh I forgot you side with Trump positions a majority of the time so truth is fungible. Turd.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Since you starting with an obvious agenda of trashing Kamala Harris, have an honest assessment of her polcies.

None of what you listed is advertised as free. Oh I forgot you side with Trump positions a majority of the time so truth is fungible. Turd.

His alt-facts makes his feels feel so good though, #burnitdown is the best.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Yeah, the guy bitching about taxes can’t even be bothered to use proper terms.

A completely different presupposition says -- if you can't write, you can't think. I say it is more accurately a telltale symptom. People are judged on this in a variety of employments. But here, it was just an entre. I'm fed up with people who whine about their taxes. I know my own income, I know what I paid when I worked two jobs at once as an overall percentage. that is , the Federal and State taxes paid every year or withheld and then completely paid every April.

If your Federal taxes alone (alone!) put you into the 32% tax bracket, your sense of impoverishment for living on the remainder is mostly resentment that you can't afford a new Mercedes every year, but must make a trade-in every third year. One can extrapolate the real-estate, unless such a person is a total twit and blows his income down the toilet.

Here, the poster in question has lumped together just about every dollar withheld plus every dollar paid directly as a "payroll tax." Why, he's just so impoverished by the progressive tax. It's just terrible! Just terrible, I say! He should be totally and apoplectically mortified and crushed!

He obviously works for a living. My retirement income is modest, but my taxes and his are closer together on the scale than his taxes in relation to the "32% FEDERAL bracket." And he whines.

He should try keeping a budget in QuickBooks, and learn to live prudently well on what he has. Maybe he shouldn't strive to live in Dallas' Preston Park, or lust after a Lamborghini -- which he cannot afford.

 

[Mai72]

Will she send us a million dollar check?

 

[brycejones]

No worries, I’m going to get my tax rate down to zero by spreading the word of Jeebus!

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Just donate your money to them!

 

[K1052]

At this point I'm not sure who Schultz is actually supposed to appeal to. He's focused on the debt but beyond sending social programs into austerity mode hasn't really said how he'll address it but is rejecting taxes on the people who have the money. Probably worse he's aloof and looks pretty disconnected, a billionaire running because he has the money and advisors who are being told to tell him yes. Is the country really in the mood for another rich white dude to learn on the job? I'm skeptical.

Harrris is staking out the positions to win the Dem primary. Flip side of that is many of the policy ideas themselves have broad popular support (even among Rs). Healthcare is going to be the sticker bit given people's perceptions around the issue but all the other stuff will appeal to MANY people in a general election.

 

[brandonbull]

Remember the good ol' mid-40s to late-60s, when the US economy was creating jobs and a middle class?

Massively high marginal tax rates that INCENTIVED the would-be billionaires to instead rough it as lowly, sad multi-millionaires, while reinvesting in their golden goose companies.

Lowering the highest marginal tax rates from ~70% to the low 30%, was the first step to making it profitable to start liquidating US Industry. Then paired with "free trade" agreements, allowed the offshoring of the remaining US Industry. The liquidation/mothballing/offshoring of US Industry had the added BENEFIT (to JobDestroyers™) of creating excess labor, i.e. unemployed workers, which causes wage/benefit stagnation...AND helped the banks by creating a massive need for credit just to keep up with the American Dream. (Let's be clear: society/culture paints a picture, purposefully, to get people to buy shit, whether it be a house, a car, a washer/dryer, etc. Please don't scream about how everyone should just live in a one-room hovel and save their $7.00 an hour. If everyone did that, our ENTIRE ECONOMY WOULD DIE).

The funny thing about modern US conservatism is that their models have been used for the past 40+ years, with nothing to show for it but increased public debt, increased private debt, decreased employment, and stagnant wages/benefits. It's all a feature, not a bug, of the TrickleDown™ con. And there isn't another country that even remotely uses their model and provides the benefits they keep promising.

Meanwhile, here in objective, observable reality, all of that "lost" income from the masses has created the increased amount of people who own more wealth than is even remotely sustainable, aka fucking BILLIONAIRES.

It's tragic, and somewhat hilarious, that the TrickleDown™ model is still being used here, with fucking Billionaires still claiming that at some point, if they just own enough of the economy lock and key, it's going to TrickleDown™ all over the shrinking middle class now scraping by as the enlarging working class.

Tragic, but kinda hilarious.

Maybe some day we'll stop digging this fucking quarry we've created for ourselves. But that'll only come when the billionaire wealth-addicts aren't allowed to hold the entire wealth of the country with promises to eventually distribute it.

It's like giving the raging alcoholic control of the liquor cabinet after they promise that they'll be serving everyone at the open bar. The middle class has been ponying up to the fucking bar for 40 years of increased productivity and hard work, and that god damn alcoholic has either drank the liquor or stashed it all away where only they can get it, while making the rest of us Shirley Temples with promises that they're about to pour us a real drink...if we just provide them some more alcohol.

How many more fucking decades do modern US conservatives need before they realize that the only thing the Republican party will ever act on is giving the wealth addicts even more fucking money? And that they, as middle-class/working-class are going to continue to be used as useful idiots with promises that are never going to be kept?

Tragic, and hilarious.

What is you proposed method for recreating the middle class?

 

[Vic]

What do we want?! Everything!
How much do we want to pay? NOTHING!
When do we want it?! NOW!!

You just gotta love it when DB's portray the American People actually getting something back from all their tax dollars as demanding free stuff.