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III-V

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MrTeal said:
Intel has a history of reusing names of canceled products, but unless something's massively changed Cannonlake is still scheduled to be the tock.
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Cannonlake was always the tick. Icelake is the tock.
 
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Cannonlake (formerly Skymont) is Intel's codename for the 10-nanometer die shrink of the Skylake microarchitecture, expected to be released in the second half of 2017.[1][2] As a die shrink, Cannonlake is a "tick" in Intel's "tick-tock" execution plan as the next step in semiconductor fabrication.[3] Cannonlake will be used in conjunction with Intel 200 Series chipsets, also known as Union Point. The platform as a whole will be named Union Bay.[3]
Following Intel's longstanding "tick-tock" strategy, the replacement for Cannonlake would be a new architecture at the same 10 nm process node, delivered a year after Cannonlake. As of August 2015, confirmation of this has not been leaked or announced.
It has been speculated for a long time that reaching smaller process nodes would become impractical, leading to the end of Moore's Law. Intel however believes that it will be possible to reach at least 7 nm, though it will perhaps require use of materials other than silicon,[4] such as indium gallium arsenide (InGaAs).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonlake#cite_note-wccftech-3
 
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MrTeal

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III-V said:
Cannonlake was always the tick. Icelake is the tock.
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Sorry, yes. Cannonlake is the 10nm shrink. Is there any current indication that Icelake is a new architecture though? It defies their traditional naming strategy, and I've never seen a roadmap with both Cannonlake and Icelake on it at the same time.
 
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mysticjbyrd said:
Where is the source that cannonlake will be another refresh?
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Use google and search for "tick tock model"

Cannonlake is a tick, it won't get a new socket. And per Intel definition it is a refresh of Skylake microarchitecture. Simple as that.
 
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Skylake just gets a double refresh. Kaby Lake on 14nm and Cannonlake on 10nm. Then Icelake is the new uarch on 10nm with the reintroduction of FIVR on the enduser parts.
 
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ShintaiDK said:
Skylake just gets a double refresh. Kaby Lake on 14nm and Cannonlake on 10nm. Then Icelake is the new uarch on 10nm with the reintroduction of FIVR on the enduser parts.
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I don't get it. What's the point of Kabylake?
 
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jhu said:
I don't get it. What's the point of Kabylake?
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I would guess to get more time for 10nm to work or yield good enough. Also for ROI on 14 nm.

If you don't make a new CPU OEM will be disappointed as they also can't offer anything new and hence probably lower sales. Getting a new chips out with few new features and marketing can slap on a reason why you supposedly need it.
 
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Kaby Lake is a new lineup of desktop/mobile CPUs, not a couple of niche models like (desktop) Broadwell-K. New x86 core (rumoured) + improved graphics is way more substantial than a simple clock boost (Haswell Refresh). IMHO this was planned long before the 10nm delay became 'public'.
 
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So.... Intel did a Godavari?

It will be a very bad idea.... rebranding... where I heard before?
 
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mysticjbyrd said:
It wasn't even really planned, until after they realized they couldn't meet the deadline for cannonlake. I wouldn't expect a heck of a lot outside of a slightly better igpu.
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When do you think they realized they couldn't meet the deadline for Cannonlake?
 
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Arachnotronic said:
When do you think they realized they couldn't meet the deadline for Cannonlake?
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I am guessing a long time ago, but it's still not the same as planning something out from the start. Why do you think they are working on the IGPU right now?
 
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mysticjbyrd said:
I am guessing a long time ago, but it's still not the same as planning something out from the start. Why do you think they are working on the IGPU right now?
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I expect that they are going to make "tweaks" all across the board to Skylake (i.e. potential modifications to L3$, slight core enhancements, improved GPU) with the "big bang" being the much improved decode/encode support (hardware VP9, HEVC Main10).
 
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They are moving on to 10nm, and the return of FIVR. It doesn't make sense to waste time on kaby lake. I just don't see it. If it was me, I would tweak skylake, and focus on improving the igpu.
 
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Arachnotronic said:
What makes you believe otherwise?
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What makes you believe it is? I thought it was just an interim solution with mainly igp improvements to tide us over until 10nm. Even the delayed 10nm Cannonlake was just a tick, mainly a die shrink, so I dont know how you think Intel could slip in a new architecture before that.

And I know, maybe 10 nm was not really "delayed" because I dont think they ever gave a firm release date. But it is "delayed" in the sense that it is not coming out in 2 years from the previous process like the normal tick/tock cadence.
 
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