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Justice League (premiers 3/18/21)

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As someone like DCU take on Sups better than the kid friendly MCU ZSJL is much better than the 2017, it gave all the info and back story. The problem was WB rushed it to match MCU. Zack pretty much have to jam 3-5 movies in to one - Flash/Cyb/AM movies + MMH character - while still missing GL and Supergirl.

This also see the change of direction after Zack got kicked out, AM/1984/Shazam were MCU like - have not watch BoP - and missing the kick under Z.

BTW Ben and Gal are gorgeous.
 
Not being intimately familiar with either Marvel or DC, these movies were my first intro to Thanos and Darkseid. Both characters have similar character origins and serve the role of intergalactic bad guy. Where the MCU humanized Thanos, Darkseid came across as generic end boss bad guy. That Darkseid and Steppenwolf were literally interchangeable between cuts doesn’t reflect well on the DCU.
 
Agreed, i just finished watching it and it's 100% better than Wedon's version. No campy one liners and much darker feeling. Also love how much more Cyborg and the Flash were used in this movie. I'd give it a 9.5/10.
 
daveybrat said:
Agreed, i just finished watching it and it's 100% better than Wedon's version. No campy one liners and much darker feeling. Also love how much more Cyborg and the Flash were used in this movie. I'd give it a 9.5/10.
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I agree- if this were somehow released in theaters it would have been the proper platform for a DC "Avengers" universe. I'm so salty about them dumping Henry Cavill. They find the perfect Superman and kept giving him crappy scripts, then they finally get it right in an afterthought 😡
 
zinfamous said:
eh, 300 is pretty awesome.

Watchmen is still the best superhero movie anywhere, so I don't know what you're smoking.
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I saw Watchman for free and aside from being aware of its existence I knew nothing about the original story so I sort of liked it aside from being seriously grim.

My buddy who I went with however was a huge fan and to hear him tell it the movie was a complete travesty.

And at this point 300 isn't a movie anymore it's a cliche. 😉



daveybrat said:
Agreed, i just finished watching it and it's 100% better than Wedon's version. No campy one liners and much darker feeling. Also love how much more Cyborg and the Flash were used in this movie. I'd give it a 9.5/10.
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I tried to figure out how to watch this on HBO Max but failed. (to be fair I didn't try very hard)

Silly question ... where on HBO Max did you find it to watch? 😕
 
daveybrat said:
Agreed, i just finished watching it and it's 100% better than Wedon's version. No campy one liners and much darker feeling. Also love how much more Cyborg and the Flash were used in this movie. I'd give it a 9.5/10.
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I tried to figure out how to watch this on HBO Max but failed. (to be fair I didn't try very hard)

Silly question ... where on HBO Max did you find it to watch? 😕
 
Captante said:
I saw Watchman for free and aside from being aware of its existence I knew nothing about the original story so I sort of liked it aside from being seriously grim.

My buddy who I went with however was a huge fan and to hear him tell it the movie was a complete travesty.

And at this point 300 isn't a movie anymore it's a cliche. 😉






I tried to figure out how to watch this on HBO Max but failed. (to be fair I didn't try very hard)

Silly question ... where on HBO Max did you find it to watch? 😕
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😳 It's literally on the top banner when you start the app. It's also under DC movies, most popular movies...just about everywhere. Maybe click the magnifying glass and search for it if you don't see it for some reason.
 
Muadib said:
Movies, Popular, Then pick Justice League. I'm not sure you tried at all...
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I did although it was about 4am plus I was cooked ... also note I have HBO Max through my buddies Youtube TV which may change the interface.



Fritzo said:
😳 It's literally on the top banner when you start the app. It's also under DC movies, most popular movies...just about everywhere. Maybe click the magnifying glass and search for it if you don't see it for some reason.
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Maybe if you have "stand-alone" HBO Max ... no banner of any kind in sight on there at the moment aside from some trailers.

EDIT: Search in Youtube TV however did pull it up thanks!
 
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Captante said:
I did although it was about 4am plus I was cooked ... also note I have HBO Max through my buddies Youtube TV which may change the interface.





Maybe if you have "stand-alone" HBO Max ... no banner of any kind in sight on there at the moment aside from some trailers.
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I have the same issue, but I have HBO through Amazon. You can't watch some of the most popular stuff because they want people using the HBO app. I think they will eventually cancel your subscription.
 
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BudAshes said:
I have the same issue as I have HBO through Amazon. You can't watch some of the most popular stuff because they want people using the HBO app. I think they will eventually cancel your subscription.
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No idea since it's not my sub ... I share wifi with my downstairs neighbor in exchange he lets me use it. He signed up for it and uses it exclusively on Android not Windows.

EDIT: Per a Reddit post Youtube SHOULD allow signing in directly to HBO Max by clicking "sign in through TV provider" ... in theory content is supposed to be the same. (I WAS able to find Justice League by using YT on the website by the way)
 
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I've only watched the Zack Snyder cut, but the two thirds of this movie that I've tried to watch to completion but can't because it's lacking in so many respects and is bloody awful in others.

Aquaman's character really bugged me. He's like this moody rebellious teen that thinks that everything is dumb, except he's an adult so to be a moody rebellious adult they invoked stereotypes from my childhood TV watching days and actually have him wearing leather. What next, a motorbike but no helmet? JFC. There's no reason given why he embodies this stereotype so mindlessly (and I have watched the Aquaman movie). He cares about stuff, just not the plot stuff. He doesn't care for sea politics, great, but that doesn't explain his unwillingness to trust anything or anyone on land either.

As I mentioned on the movie review thread, the team's unwillingness to do the logical thing first and attempt to take on Steppenwolf themselves with some kind of teamworky plan was just dumb. Not only that, but instead they decide that resurrecting the one being that they neither have any influence or control over, so should that resurrection go wrong they're entirely fucked, but to do it with alien technology that they haven't the foggiest clue about as well.

Then Superman is resurrected but inexplicably has AMNESIA. When I mentioned this to my wife, her eyes rolled. It's like the mother of all cheesy tropes. It's such a fucking cheesy trope that Futurama trolled it mercilessly:


Then the inexplicable battle between Superman and the other goodies occurs. This involved a trope that has really bugged me in the MCU, that the good guys (in particular Iron Man) have access to weaponry that doesn't even require a confrontation, like sniping from orbit, or Iron Man's slide-and-dice attack that was featured in Iron Man 2 but because this is some PG-rated shit, all it chops are bots and trees. In Captain America: Civil War, Iron Man is up against shall we say two supervillains and he's fighting for his life. He goes to use this attack once but like halfway through the fight and... it gets deflected. I'm used to watching Saturday morning cartoons when under no circumstances must anyone die and this seems like a continuation of that despite people actually dying in comic book movies, but we can't have anything too dark / stone-cold because... reasons.

So getting back to JL 🙂 The battle between Superman and the other good guys. Superman forgot who these people are, and inexplicably decided to start fighting them. Ok, whatever. But he's pulling his punches? Not one of them are even injured against a man who can lobotomise people with his eyes.

A few days later I thought of a counterpoint to this argument being, is this film really meant for you, and not a bunch of teens/pre-teens who are barely finished playing with action figures? As a counterpoint to that, may I present this:


If a cartoon series can get Superman right then clearly the script writers for the DC movies just suck.

Then inexplicably LOVE WINS THE DAY and he remembers Lois, because reasons.
 
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@mikeymikec - awww, mannnnn. I liked that movie. I too had so many questions. But it made it so easy for you to drift into an opiate induced haze. As any junkie will tell you, those can be pretty nice - at least in the beginning.
 
mikeymikec said:
How about Batman Returns? 😀
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Whoa, we're reaching way back for that one. I looked it up on wikipedia and it was directed by Tim Burton whom I also love. So I'm guessing I liked it. Plus you've got 'high as a Georgia pine' Chris Walker. Not crazy about Michael Keaton except for Beetlejuice and maybe Birdman.

To answer your question, dunno. That might be one I need to rewatch. Thanks for the memories (which I don't have but it would probably be nice).
 
mikeymikec said:
I've only watched the Zack Snyder cut, but the two thirds of this movie that I've tried to watch to completion but can't because it's lacking in so many respects and is bloody awful in others.

Aquaman's character really bugged me. He's like this moody rebellious teen that thinks that everything is dumb, except he's an adult so to be a moody rebellious adult they invoked stereotypes from my childhood TV watching days and actually have him wearing leather. What next, a motorbike but no helmet? JFC. There's no reason given why he embodies this stereotype so mindlessly (and I have watched the Aquaman movie). He cares about stuff, just not the plot stuff. He doesn't care for sea politics, great, but that doesn't explain his unwillingness to trust anything or anyone on land either.

As I mentioned on the movie review thread, the team's unwillingness to do the logical thing first and attempt to take on Steppenwolf themselves with some kind of teamworky plan was just dumb. Not only that, but instead they decide that resurrecting the one being that they neither have any influence or control over, so should that resurrection go wrong they're entirely fucked, but to do it with alien technology that they haven't the foggiest clue about as well.

Then Superman is resurrected but inexplicably has AMNESIA. When I mentioned this to my wife, her eyes rolled. It's like the mother of all cheesy tropes. It's such a fucking cheesy trope that Futurama trolled it mercilessly:


Then the inexplicable battle between Superman and the other goodies occurs. This involved a trope that has really bugged me in the MCU, that the good guys (in particular Iron Man) have access to weaponry that doesn't even require a confrontation, like sniping from orbit, or Iron Man's slide-and-dice attack that was featured in Iron Man 2 but because this is some PG-rated shit, all it chops are bots and trees. In Captain America: Civil War, Iron Man is up against shall we say two supervillains and he's fighting for his life. He goes to use this attack once but like halfway through the fight and... it gets deflected. I'm used to watching Saturday morning cartoons when under no circumstances must anyone die and this seems like a continuation of that despite people actually dying in comic book movies, but we can't have anything too dark / stone-cold because... reasons.

So getting back to JL 🙂 The battle between Superman and the other good guys. Superman forgot who these people are, and inexplicably decided to start fighting them. Ok, whatever. But he's pulling his punches? Not one of them are even injured against a man who can lobotomise people with his eyes.

A few days later I thought of a counterpoint to this argument being, is this film really meant for you, and not a bunch of teens/pre-teens who are barely finished playing with action figures? As a counterpoint to that, may I present this:


If a cartoon series can get Superman right then clearly the script writers for the DC movies just suck.

Then inexplicably LOVE WINS THE DAY and he remembers Lois, because reasons.
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It was so long, he just now finished it 😀

Now, time to start The Batman. See you next year.
 
Fritzo said:
It was so long, he just now finished it 😀

Now, time to start The Batman. See you next year.
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I think if I had more enthusiasm for it (JL) then I would have watched it for long in each sitting. I watched the Infinity War / Endgame movies in a similar fashion. 'The Batman' is supposed to be a decent movie but the trailers haven't really drawn me in. I'll probably watch it at some point. It's another 3-hr long job again IIRC?
 
mikeymikec said:
I think if I had more enthusiasm for it (JL) then I would have watched it for long in each sitting. I watched the Infinity War / Endgame movies in a similar fashion. 'The Batman' is supposed to be a decent movie but the trailers haven't really drawn me in. I'll probably watch it at some point. It's another 3-hr long job again IIRC?
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I watched The Batman over the weekend. They finally nailed Batman...it's 100% the character in the comic books now. However about an hour of the movie didn't need to be there, and the overall story isn't very interesting. There's also some continuity errors that are a bit annoying. Robert Pattinson is surprisingly good in the role, but just like Henry Cavill in Man of Steel, they had a great cast with weak writing.

The movie is over THREE HOURS LONG...and they didn't do the tired origin story either.
 
Fritzo said:
I watched The Batman over the weekend. They finally nailed Batman...it's 100% the character in the comic books now. However about an hour of the movie didn't need to be there, and the overall story isn't very interesting. There's also some continuity errors that are a bit annoying. Robert Pattinson is surprisingly good in the role, but just like Henry Cavill in Man of Steel, they had a great cast with weak writing.

The movie is over THREE HOURS LONG...and they didn't do the tired origin story either.
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The Batman fucking sucked Batdick.
 
Linux23 said:
The Batman fucking sucked Batdick.
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I don't think it was "bad"...it just wasn't "good." Kinda like that Ghostbusters reboot some years back.

The two things that bugged me the most was the mayor being shot by a sniper and almost mortally wounded, and a few minutes alter she's fighting through flood waters like nothing happened. Then Batman is shot point blank with a shotgun and about to die, but he injects himself with some weird antifreeze looking stuff and suddenly he's hopping around like nothing happened. I was digging the realism they injected into the movie until those points.
 
Charmonium said:
@mikeymikec - awww, mannnnn. I liked that movie. I too had so many questions. But it made it so easy for you to drift into an opiate induced haze. As any junkie will tell you, those can be pretty nice - at least in the beginning.
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Can't believe the Synder cut costs $75M to make a few changes and reshoots.
That's like 1/2 the costs of a new high profile movie.
 
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