Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

[Starbuck1975]

Do we need a special prosecutor to investigate Trump and the Trump Foundation? We have a large amount of evidence of illegal activity coming from it, after all.

Mueller?

 

[shady28]

LOL @ this thread!

If this is any surprise, you people really haven't been paying any attention at all. The echo chamber lives on.

Here's a little view from the outside. If the Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC & Hillary's campaign, and it was used to fraudulently obtain FISA search warrants, then that is a high crime and yes it may well be 'treason'.

FBI / DOJ clearly has something to hide.

Devin Nunes rips DOJ, FBI for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents and witnesses: Report

“Unfortunately, DOJ/FBI's intransigence with respect to the Aug. 24 subpoenas is part of a broader pattern of behavior that can no longer be tolerated,” ...Nunes demanded records and available dates for witnesses to testify be given to Congress by Jan. 3., threatening to introduce a contempt of Congress resolution if his request is not met

It's time to investigate Fusion GPS's dirt-diggers, possible collusion with feds to derail Trump’s campaign

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, says access to Justice Department officials and documents is important because the Steele dossier may have been used by the FBI to gain permission from a federal court to conduct surveillance on Trump campaign officials.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who is no fan of President Trump, says that after viewing key Justice Department documents in secret he is “extremely concerned” about the department’s use of the Steele dossier. He has called for a special counsel to investigate this.

For his part, Nunes says “it seems the DOJ and FBI need to be investigating themselves.” Since they apparently won’t do that, Nunes is happy to help out.

 

[fskimospy]

You already have one, i'm just looking for some parity.

He's not tasked with looking into the Trump Foundation, he's tasked with looking into election interference. Sounds like we need a second special prosecutor to look into his foundation. Trump also has an enormous amount of shady dealings and fraud in his past business dealings, some of which likely involved government activity. Should we appoint a third special prosecutor to look into that?

Regardless, the idea that because Trump and his administration has engaged in so much criminal activity that a special prosecutor had to be appointed that to be fair you have to appoint one to investigate Democrats is irrational.

 

[brycejones]

LOL @ this thread!

If this is any surprise, you people really haven't been paying any attention at all. The echo chamber lives on.

Here's a little view from the outside. If the Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC & Hillary's campaign, and it was used to fraudulently obtain FISA search warrants, then that is a high crime and yes it may well be 'treason'.

FBI / DOJ clearly has something to hide.

Devin Nunes rips DOJ, FBI for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents and witnesses: Report




It's time to investigate Fusion GPS's dirt-diggers, possible collusion with feds to derail Trump’s campaign

The ironing of the bolded when you're quoting fox news opinion pieces and the washington examiner is pretty funny.

 

[brycejones]

Lmao, got links? evidence? lol

tajbot we're still waiting for you to provide evidence in the conversation you jumped in the middle of. Do you have evidence on the topic being discussed or not?

 

[fskimospy]

LOL @ this thread!

If this is any surprise, you people really haven't been paying any attention at all. The echo chamber lives on.

Here's a little view from the outside. If the Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC & Hillary's campaign, and it was used to fraudulently obtain FISA search warrants, then that is a high crime and yes it may well be 'treason'.

FBI / DOJ clearly has something to hide.

Devin Nunes rips DOJ, FBI for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents and witnesses: Report

That would not be treason by any legal definition. Regardless, the basis for the FBI investigation was that the Australian government tipped US intelligence off to the fact that members of Trump's campaign were bragging about how Russia had hacked documents on Clinton. Not sure how you missed this unless you're trapped in some right wing bubble.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The hacking and the revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about it were driving factors that led the F.B.I. to open an investigation in July 2016 into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of President Trump’s associates conspired.

Hope that clears things up?

It's time to investigate Fusion GPS's dirt-diggers, possible collusion with feds to derail Trump’s campaign

Can you explain why your 'view from outside' is based on right wing editorials? Wouldn't that be extremely biased 'news' from inside the right wing echo chamber?

 

[Victorian Gray]

During one of the debates, Trump said to her face she scrubbed the servers, she didn't deny it.

Now you might want to put down that cigar and google what actually happened.

 

[umbrella39]

The echo chamber lives on.

I don't think that means what you think it does...

 

[Starbuck1975]

He's not tasked with looking into the Trump Foundation, he's tasked with looking into election interference. Sounds like we need a second special prosecutor to look into his foundation. Trump also has an enormous amount of shady dealings and fraud in his past business dealings, some of which likely involved government activity. Should we appoint a third special prosecutor to look into that?

Regardless, the idea that because Trump and his administration has engaged in so much criminal activity that a special prosecutor had to be appointed that to be fair you have to appoint one to investigate Democrats is irrational.

The Trump Foundation and his finances are arguably in scope because Mueller has broad discretion to expand his net. I see no reason why he cannot assess peripheral crimes related to Trump.

Is that not why Manafort is now sueing? Mueller ensared Manafort on things completed unrelated to the election.

 

[fskimospy]

The Trump Foundation and his finances are arguably in scope because Mueller has broad discretion to expand his net. I see no reason why he cannot assess peripheral crimes related to Trump.

Is that not why Manafort is now sueing? Mueller ensared Manafort on things completed unrelated to the election.

Manafort is suing because he's throwing a Hail Mary pass to stay out of jail. He will lose that lawsuit easily.

Mueller is tasked with investigating Russian interference in the election and anything that might arise from it. Getting into the finances of Trump's campaign manager is an extremely easy path. Trump's foundation potentially may not have been involved at all, especially considering how little he seemed to care about it when he wasn't looting it for cash. Since there's no way to be sure, following Taj's example it's probably best to appoint a second special prosecutor to get to work on that part.

Honestly, Trump's past finances themselves probably deserve their own special prosecutor. You know there's a lot of criminal activity to be uncovered there.

 

[Bowfinger]

LOL @ this thread!

If this is any surprise, you people really haven't been paying any attention at all. The echo chamber lives on.

Here's a little view from the outside. If the Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC & Hillary's campaign, and it was used to fraudulently obtain FISA search warrants, then that is a high crime and yes it may well be 'treason'.

FBI / DOJ clearly has something to hide.

Devin Nunes rips DOJ, FBI for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents and witnesses: Report




It's time to investigate Fusion GPS's dirt-diggers, possible collusion with feds to derail Trump’s campaign

Good grief! This is why forming your "view" from right-wing propagandists is a sure way to be woefully misinformed. When they aren't outright lying to you, they're omitting all sorts of critical information that contradicts their RNC narratives. There is, indeed an echo chamber, and you're in it.

As Eski points out, the FBI got their tip about the Trump campaign from Australia, and perhaps from other sources. They became interested in the Steele Dossier because it corroborated the information they were getting elsewhere. More about the Steele Dossier and Fusion in this thread: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...the-republicans’-fake-investigations.2532701/

You also might want to recognize that Nunes is a slime ball's slime ball who appears to be complicit in Trump's efforts to obstruct the Russian investigation. He's ripping the FBI because he's trying to save his own ass. He will be lucky if he doesn't wind up in prison.

 

[Bowfinger]

Manafort is suing because he's throwing a Hail Mary pass to stay out of jail. He will lose that lawsuit easily. ...

I heard one legal pundit suggest that Manafort's suit is really about circumventing the gag order. His suit is full of all the allegations that the judge told him to shut up about. This pundit expects Manafort's lawyers may be sanctioned over what he (the pundit) views as an obvious stunt.

 

[shady28]

That would not be treason by any legal definition. Regardless, the basis for the FBI investigation was that the Australian government tipped US intelligence off to the fact that members of Trump's campaign were bragging about how Russia had hacked documents on Clinton. Not sure how you missed this unless you're trapped in some right wing bubble.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html



Hope that clears things up?

Yes yes, goal shifting and revisionism courtesy of the NYT. Funny how that comes out right at the same time as the entire Dossier backfires on the DNC, Hillary, and the FBI now isn't it? Not once has anyone referenced that story, until now, by 'anonymous sources'?

Even you with your limited field of view should recognize that as a red herring, and like so many before it a false story.

Here's James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence stating that Papadopoulos was not even on his radar when he left in early 2017.

So the head of US Intelligence wasn't aware of Papadopoulos? Curious...

The DNC emails were published by Wikileaks on July 22, 2016,
The Russiagate inquiry was launched in late July, 2016.
Steele was interviewed by the FBI in July, 2016.
Papadopoulos was not interviewed until January, 2017.

So, the guy that the NYT says kicked the investigation, wasn't even interviewed until 7 months after the investigation started, and 7 months after Steele was interviewed? Steele was interviewed immediately, but not the important person that the NYT just this week identified - and never identified before?

Not that any of that will change your mind, but I'm content to wait it out and see what the full disclosure that the FBI / DOJ finally provide under threat of contempt of Congress citations actually state.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes yes, goal shifting and revisionism courtesy of the NYT. Funny how that comes out right at the same time as the entire Dossier backfires on the DNC, Hillary, and the FBI now isn't it? Not once has anyone referenced that story, until now, by 'anonymous sources'?

Even you with your limited field of view should recognize that as a red herring, and like so many before it a false story.

Here's James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence stating that Papadopoulos was not even on his radar when he left in early 2017.

So the head of US Intelligence wasn't aware of Papadopoulos? Curious...

The DNC emails were published by Wikileaks on July 22, 2016,
The Russiagate inquiry was launched in late July, 2016.
Steele was interviewed by the FBI in July, 2016.
Papadopoulos was not interviewed until January, 2017.

So, the guy that the NYT says kicked the investigation, wasn't even interviewed until 7 months after the investigation started, and 7 months after Steele was interviewed? Steele was interviewed immediately, but not the important person that the NYT just this week identified - and never identified before?

Not that any of that will change your mind, but I'm content to wait it out and see what the full disclosure that the FBI / DOJ finally provide under threat of contempt of Congress citations actually state.

The article didn't say anything about interviewing him, it said that US intelligence opened an investigation after being tipped off by the Australian government. It's ironic that you so consistently accuse other people of being in bubbles or not amenable to contrary information but when you are confronted with contrary information from an authoritative source you immediately discount it as some sort of conspiracy. Does that seem rational or logical to you?

Have you considered that you're a victim of exactly the sort of information bubble and confirmation bias you accuse others of? This is a serious question.

 

[Bowfinger]

Yes yes, goal shifting and revisionism courtesy of the NYT. Funny how that comes out right at the same time as the entire Dossier backfires on the DNC, Hillary, and the FBI now isn't it? Not once has anyone referenced that story, until now, by 'anonymous sources'? ...

This is another example of the nutter echo chamber leading you astray. The Steele Dossier has only "backfired" in the minds of the Trump faithful. The public at large know that much of the dossier has been verified, and that Fox, et al, calling it fake is empty wishful thinking. You have been duped.

 

[fskimospy]

This is another example of the nutter echo chamber leading you astray. The Steele Dossier has only "backfired" in the minds of the Trump faithful. The public at large know that much of the dossier has been verified, and that Fox, et al, calling it fake is empty wishful thinking. You have been duped.

It’s also showing shady’s weird tribalism about this issue. It’s not a question of it ‘backfiring’ as who cares about that? The things in it are either true or they aren’t and Trump’s campaign either collided with Russia or they didn’t. The evidence strongly suggests they did, but you never know. I personally would much rather live in a world where the president wasn’t so corrupt that they were working with hostile foreign powers against their domestic enemies and if that dossier turned out to be 100% false that would have been fine with me.

Shady doesn’t seem to live in that world, but that’s what you get when all you consume is hyperpartisan media. I mean the guy is denigrating our country’s two preeminent news outlets as biased garbage and then uncritically citing Fox News editorials all while claiming he wants the facts. Pure tribal warfare for him.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The best part is that Trump still won the presidency and has had almost a year to do great things. Seen the economy lately?

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Regardless, the basis for the FBI investigation was that the Australian government tipped US intelligence off to the fact that members of Trump's campaign were bragging about how Russia had hacked documents on Clinton. Not sure how you missed this unless you're trapped in some right wing bubble.

Can you explain why your 'view from outside' is based on right wing editorials? Wouldn't that be extremely biased 'news' from inside the right wing echo chamber?

Bwahahaha

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

The best part is that Trump still won the presidency and has had almost a year to do great things. Seen the economy lately?

Yep, the Obama admin left him in good shape, didn't they? Not even Trumpublicans could screw that up in less than a year.

 

[fskimospy]

Bwahahaha

Fern

I’ve been here long enough to remember when you had some connection with reality, lol.

Let me guess though, the NYT is wrong and part of some anti-Trump conspiracy.

 

[Fern]

I’ve been here long enough to remember when you had some connection with reality, lol.

Let me guess though, the NYT is wrong and part of some anti-Trump conspiracy.

Ever heard of James Clapper? I suppose he's a right wing nut, but he said he didn't know of Papadopoulos while he was Dir. of National Intel.

IDK which is worse, claiming to begin an investigation including FISA court etc based on uncorroborated oppo research provided by foreign nationals (with input from Russian secret service, gasp!) or remarks by a drunk 28 year wanna be unpaid volunteer in a bar.

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

Ever heard of James Clapper? I suppose he's a right wing nut, but he said he didn't know of Papadopoulos while he was Dir. of National Intel. ...

Two points. First, do you have an exact quote of Clapper saying he didn't know of Papadopoulos? All I found were quotes of Clapper saying he was unaware of a specific discussion with Papadopoulos about Russia having DNC emails. Clapper didn't say he didn't know of him at all.

Second, and more importantly, Clapper also said he was unaware of the Trump Tower meeting between Russia and the Trump boys. We know without a doubt that this meeting occurred, however. That seems to leave two options. Either Clapper didn't involve himself with the details of the Russian investigation, or Clapper chose not to publicly acknowledge sensitive, and perhaps even classified information. It's easy to imagine that he'd be reticent to reveal sensitive details about the intel we received from Australia.

What's your explanation?

 

[fskimospy]

Ever heard of James Clapper? I suppose he's a right wing nut, but he said he didn't know of Papadopoulos while he was Dir. of National Intel.

IDK which is worse, claiming to begin an investigation including FISA court etc based on uncorroborated oppo research provided by foreign nationals (with input from Russian secret service, gasp!) or remarks by a drunk 28 year wanna be unpaid volunteer in a bar.

Fern

You realize that the DNI might not know the names of sources provided by foreign governments, right?

You’re desperately reaching to find a way to ignore reporting you don’t like. If that works for you, good on you.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ever heard of James Clapper? I suppose he's a right wing nut, but he said he didn't know of Papadopoulos while he was Dir. of National Intel.

IDK which is worse, claiming to begin an investigation including FISA court etc based on uncorroborated oppo research provided by foreign nationals (with input from Russian secret service, gasp!) or remarks by a drunk 28 year wanna be unpaid volunteer in a bar.

Fern

I do love it. The basic contention is that there was no reason to investigate back then so no investigation is valid today, right?

Because outsiders like yourself obviously know more than the FBI at the time, I suppose.

I submit this, something the FBI obviously knew-

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

Notice the date. Papadopoulos was shooting off his mouth to Australian intelligence back in May-

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

The Australian probably didn't think much about it until what Papadopoulos told him came to pass-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak

That's when he went to the FBI & that's when the investigation began.

How did Papadopoulos know about it back in May?

 

[Younigue]

The best part is that Trump still won the presidency and has had almost a year to do great things. Seen the economy lately?

You're a purest in your stupidity tajjy!