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Just Watched 'Jesus Camp'

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ok, i thought that this was going to be a documentary film about fundamentalist churches around the country.

instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.

although i HATE the christian right, they seemed to kinda make them and other people who might share similar feelings on certain topics as whack jobs, which isn't true at all. they made it seem like if you don't believe in evolution, you're a fanatic fundamentalist christian... same with christians who don't believe in abortion. i have a lot of friends who don't believe in abortion or evolution and they're no where near the kind of person that they portrayed in the film...

i'm not saying the documentary wasn't educational to any degree... it absolutely was. however, i don't think they did a good enough job separating fanatic fundamentalists/evangelical pentacostals from real christians...

what do you think?
 
Many on the secular left have no idea about anything concerning modern sects of Christianity and the variations in religious fervor and belief. You see that ignorance incessantly demonstrated on this very forum.
 
Originally posted by: eits
what do you think?
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For all the liberal fear/hatred of Christians, I don?t see where the fire is. They can blow all the smoke they want, but where are the body bags?

On the other hand, a certain other religion they defend fervently on this forum has actually been committing genocide world wide, of which we only got a taste of.
 
Originally posted by: eits
instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.
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I didn't notice that at all, in fact the producers of the documentary seemed to be pretty unbiased and merely let the people say/do without any sort of judgment either way. What specifically makes you say that?
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: eits
what do you think?
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For all the liberal fear/hatred of Christians, I don?t see where the fire is. They can blow all the smoke they want, but where are the body bags?

On the other hand, a certain other religion they defend fervently on this forum has actually been committing genocide world wide, of which we only got a taste of.
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you only have to look halfway across the world in a sandbox called iraq to look at the bodybag...

the fundamentalist radical muslim uses a bomb vest... the fundamentalist radical christian uses votes in order to use other people's children to fight in a war.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: eits
instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.
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I didn't notice that at all, in fact the producers of the documentary seemed to be pretty unbiased and merely let the people say/do without any sort of judgment either way. What specifically makes you say that?
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how could you say they were unbiased? everytime a findie talked, there was ominous music... that's just one example of the bias.

look, i'm pretty damn left of center... i'm a liberal and proud of it... i hate the bible belt... but the truth of the matter is that this documentary kinda seemed like a handjob to other liberals... the only problem is that THIS liberal wanted it to see more against fundamentalism and less against a political party.

edit: in retrospect, however, i guess it's hard to make a documentary about fundamentalist christians without it automatically negatively portraying the republican party... that's their major base.

hm.
 
Originally posted by: eits
ok, i thought that this was going to be a documentary film about fundamentalist churches around the country.

instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.

although i HATE the christian right, they seemed to kinda make them and other people who might share similar feelings on certain topics as whack jobs, which isn't true at all. they made it seem like if you don't believe in evolution, you're a fanatic fundamentalist christian... same with christians who don't believe in abortion. i have a lot of friends who don't believe in abortion or evolution and they're no where near the kind of person that they portrayed in the film...

i'm not saying the documentary wasn't educational to any degree... it absolutely was. however, i don't think they did a good enough job separating fanatic fundamentalists/evangelical pentacostals from real christians...

what do you think?
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Why are you lumping evolution and abortion together? Abortion is a matter of opinion, evolution isn't and people who don't believe in it are wackjobs.
 
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: eits
ok, i thought that this was going to be a documentary film about fundamentalist churches around the country.

instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.

although i HATE the christian right, they seemed to kinda make them and other people who might share similar feelings on certain topics as whack jobs, which isn't true at all. they made it seem like if you don't believe in evolution, you're a fanatic fundamentalist christian... same with christians who don't believe in abortion. i have a lot of friends who don't believe in abortion or evolution and they're no where near the kind of person that they portrayed in the film...

i'm not saying the documentary wasn't educational to any degree... it absolutely was. however, i don't think they did a good enough job separating fanatic fundamentalists/evangelical pentacostals from real christians...

what do you think?
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Why are you lumping evolution and abortion together? Abortion is a matter of opinion, evolution isn't and people who don't believe in it are wackjobs.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: eits
what do you think?
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For all the liberal fear/hatred of Christians, I don?t see where the fire is. They can blow all the smoke they want, but where are the body bags?

On the other hand, a certain other religion they defend fervently on this forum has actually been committing genocide world wide, of which we only got a taste of.
Click to expand...

Fear is the mind killer. It creates certainty. It creates an enemy as an outlet for anxiety. It is a disease. All your fears have already happened. Your fear is that you will remember.
 
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: eits
ok, i thought that this was going to be a documentary film about fundamentalist churches around the country.

instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.

although i HATE the christian right, they seemed to kinda make them and other people who might share similar feelings on certain topics as whack jobs, which isn't true at all. they made it seem like if you don't believe in evolution, you're a fanatic fundamentalist christian... same with christians who don't believe in abortion. i have a lot of friends who don't believe in abortion or evolution and they're no where near the kind of person that they portrayed in the film...

i'm not saying the documentary wasn't educational to any degree... it absolutely was. however, i don't think they did a good enough job separating fanatic fundamentalists/evangelical pentacostals from real christians...

what do you think?
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Why are you lumping evolution and abortion together? Abortion is a matter of opinion, evolution isn't and people who don't believe in it are wackjobs.
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:thumbsup:
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1, because those were two examples i gave that were a big issue in the documentary.
2, if you don't believe in evolution or abortion, that doesn't make you a whack job... to you, that may be true, but you're not what matters to most people... especially when they're people of faith.
3, abortion isn't a matter of opinion to people who think that life starts at conception.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: eits
what do you think?
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For all the liberal fear/hatred of Christians, I don?t see where the fire is. They can blow all the smoke they want, but where are the body bags?

On the other hand, a certain other religion they defend fervently on this forum has actually been committing genocide world wide, of which we only got a taste of.
Click to expand...

Fear is the mind killer. It creates certainty. It creates an enemy as an outlet for anxiety. It is a disease. All your fears have already happened. Your fear is that you will remember.
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look no further than googer, for example
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: eits
what do you think?
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For all the liberal fear/hatred of Christians, I don?t see where the fire is. They can blow all the smoke they want, but where are the body bags?

On the other hand, a certain other religion they defend fervently on this forum has actually been committing genocide world wide, of which we only got a taste of.
Click to expand...

Fear is the mind killer. It creates certainty. It creates an enemy as an outlet for anxiety. It is a disease. All your fears have already happened. Your fear is that you will remember.
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Holy Frank Herbert flashback!

 
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: eits
ok, i thought that this was going to be a documentary film about fundamentalist churches around the country.

instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.

although i HATE the christian right, they seemed to kinda make them and other people who might share similar feelings on certain topics as whack jobs, which isn't true at all. they made it seem like if you don't believe in evolution, you're a fanatic fundamentalist christian... same with christians who don't believe in abortion. i have a lot of friends who don't believe in abortion or evolution and they're no where near the kind of person that they portrayed in the film...

i'm not saying the documentary wasn't educational to any degree... it absolutely was. however, i don't think they did a good enough job separating fanatic fundamentalists/evangelical pentacostals from real christians...

what do you think?
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Why are you lumping evolution and abortion together? Abortion is a matter of opinion, evolution isn't and people who don't believe in it are wackjobs.
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:thumbsup:
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2, if you don't believe in evolution or abortion, that doesn't make you a whack job... to you, that may be true, but you're not what matters to most people... especially when they're people of faith.
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Ah, there's that dirty little word again.. faith.

Evolution isn't a matter of opinion any more than what the age of the earth is. If someone disagrees with these things, it shows a lack of curiosity, ignorance, inability to reason etc... in short a whackjob.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: eits
by the way, i believe in evolution and a woman's right to choose (up to the 22nd week)
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Why only up to the 22nd week?
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that's around the time where i believe a fetus is considered a human being rather than just something that's human. it responds to stimulus, it has a heartbeat, it's body can survive outside the womb...
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: eits
instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.
Click to expand...
I didn't notice that at all, in fact the producers of the documentary seemed to be pretty unbiased and merely let the people say/do without any sort of judgment either way. What specifically makes you say that?
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Agreed, it wasn't edited or produced in a manner that was for one side or the other. This is what this sect of Christianity believe, through their own words and actions. Nothing was taken out of context and words weren't put in anyone's mouth.
 
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: eits
ok, i thought that this was going to be a documentary film about fundamentalist churches around the country.

instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.

although i HATE the christian right, they seemed to kinda make them and other people who might share similar feelings on certain topics as whack jobs, which isn't true at all. they made it seem like if you don't believe in evolution, you're a fanatic fundamentalist christian... same with christians who don't believe in abortion. i have a lot of friends who don't believe in abortion or evolution and they're no where near the kind of person that they portrayed in the film...

i'm not saying the documentary wasn't educational to any degree... it absolutely was. however, i don't think they did a good enough job separating fanatic fundamentalists/evangelical pentacostals from real christians...

what do you think?
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Why are you lumping evolution and abortion together? Abortion is a matter of opinion, evolution isn't and people who don't believe in it are wackjobs.
Click to expand...

:thumbsup:
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2, if you don't believe in evolution or abortion, that doesn't make you a whack job... to you, that may be true, but you're not what matters to most people... especially when they're people of faith.
Click to expand...

Ah, there's that dirty little word again.. faith.

Evolution isn't a matter of opinion any more than what the age of the earth is. If someone disagrees with these things, it shows a lack of curiosity, ignorance, inability to reason etc... in short a whackjob.
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Bingo baby. The Grand Canyon wasn't formed by "The Great Flood", the world isn't 6000 years old, humans did not coexist with dinosaurs, and we ARE the direct descendants of apes.

People who refuse to acknowledge this are egotistical whackjobs and can't come to grips with the fact that we as humans are not chosen to rule this Earth and all of it's resources by some omnipotent Being who either directly or indirectly watches over our lives and intervenes to guide us.

When a group of talented heart surgeons saves someones life in a 14 hour quintuple bypass, it's not an act of God, it's an act of man. We have gotten to where we are now because of our own instincts to survive, inherited throughout millions of years, our resourcefulness, and a lot of luck. Not because we have some Being guiding our path.
 
Whether or not it's unbiased is up for grabs, but I would point out that Pastor Fischer completely approved of the entire thing, as she herself stated.
 
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: eits
instead, it was KINDA an assault against christianity and the republican party... i felt a little upset about that.
Click to expand...
I didn't notice that at all, in fact the producers of the documentary seemed to be pretty unbiased and merely let the people say/do without any sort of judgment either way. What specifically makes you say that?
Click to expand...

how could you say they were unbiased? everytime a findie talked, there was ominous music... that's just one example of the bias.

look, i'm pretty damn left of center... i'm a liberal and proud of it... i hate the bible belt... but the truth of the matter is that this documentary kinda seemed like a handjob to other liberals... the only problem is that THIS liberal wanted it to see more against fundamentalism and less against a political party.

edit: in retrospect, however, i guess it's hard to make a documentary about fundamentalist christians without it automatically negatively portraying the republican party... that's their major base.

hm.
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"Ominous music?!?" That's all you've got? Anything else? While you're at it, how did the documentary's producers negatively portray the Republican Party? Maybe you're confusing the actual content with some sort of bias behind the camera. I mean, put a camera on the average evangelical and they're bound to portray themselves in a particular light. Right?
 
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