Just upgraded to Windows 8.1 (rant)

[Virgorising]

yes very annoying, im back to Win 7 Pro FTW

:thumbsup:

 

[Mem]

This, to me---also in person--- is a vulgar verging on obliterating affront to anyone with a nuanced aesthetic. It also robs you of power and options, belies how many shortcuts many of us have and need; I keep all mine in two folders with shortcuts to each on my desktop.

One thing on our phones, but on our desktops?

Pretty sure it also causes brain damage or burns the retinas.:sneaky:

I DESPISE IT VERY MUCH.()

Do your own Metro Tiles with Oblytile,

 

[Virgorising]

Do your own Metro Tiles with Oblytile,

I should have made it clear: it is the TILE PHENOMEON per se, its ghastliness, on ANY desktop, the stunning arrogance of what it ASSUMES and limits one to inherently....I am repulsed and insulted by in every way!!!

Not MS's tiles vs any other tiles. Might as well have a desktop glutted up with shortcuts! As opposed to putting them in folders, I mean, at least then, you can have as many as you need!

I love tiles. The kind U put down on the kitchen/bathroom floor, bathroom walls using quikset and then grout.

The End.:sneaky:

 

[Mem]

I should have made it clear; it is the TILE PHENOMEON per se, its ghastliness, its inherent limitations on ANY desktop, the stunning arrogance of what it ASSUMES and limits one to....I am repulsed and insulted by in every way!!!

Not MS's tiles vs any other tiles.

I love tiles. The kind U put down on the kitchen/bathroom floor, bathroom walls using quick set and then grout.

The End.:sneaky:

Hehe well I still have my Linux distros both with and without Start button,here's my Zorin Distro with Start button,

It's funny since Linux Start buttons on many distros look so much better then Win7 version,probably why I only use Windows for gaming .

 

[Virgorising]

Hehe well I still have my Linux distros both with and without Start button,here's my Zorin Distro with Start button,

Well now! THAT.....is seriously gorgeous!:biggrin:

PS: YOU have an exquisite aesthetic. And....it also honors doing away with needless, brain frying glut! EXCELLENT.

Addendum: I continue to run W7 with great happiness, wild horses could not make me "upgrade".....upgrade is in the judgement of the beholder.

So no tile issues for ME personally.

 

[bbhaag]

I should have made it clear: it is the TILE PHENOMEON per se, its ghastliness, on ANY desktop, the stunning arrogance of what it ASSUMES and limits one to inherently....I am repulsed and insulted by in every way!!!

Not MS's tiles vs any other tiles. Might as well have a desktop glutted up with shortcuts! As opposed to putting them in folders, I mean, at least then, you can have as many as you need!

I love tiles. The kind U put down on the kitchen/bathroom floor, bathroom walls using quikset and then grout.

The End.:sneaky:

So tell Windows to go to the App screen if you don't like tiles. Little pictures of your programs all laid out in alphabetical order instead of cascading....um.....tiles like in the old start menu.

 

[Virgorising]

So tell Windows to go to the App screen if you don't like tiles. Little pictures of your programs all laid out in alphabetical order instead of cascading....um.....tiles like in the old start menu.

Blech!!!!!!! Look at that! It's simply smaller tiles in greater numbers!!!!

I DO NOT WANT AN APP SCREEN OF ANY KIND! I want, when I click on either of my two desktop shortcuts folder, to see the list of shortcuts I put in them. If I choose to have them show icons which I do, fine. My top one, with the red arrow, comprises the apps I use most often; my bottom one, the apps I use but not As often. Soooo simple, so viable, so excellent. NO TILES. When I get a new app I just make a shortcut if it don have put shortcut on desktop option, and drag its shortcut into either the red or the green master shortcut folder.

 

[bbhaag]

Hmmm. Not sure what to tell ya then. Maybe Microsoft will come out with an OS you can agree with. Win9 or 10 perhaps but doubt it. You seem pretty firmly entrenched with Win7.

 

[Virgorising]

Hmmm. Not sure what to tell ya then. Maybe Microsoft will come out with an OS you can agree with. Win9 or 10 perhaps but doubt it. You seem pretty firmly entrenched with Win7.

Not entrenched arbitrarily or capriciously, but rather a happy choice via discernment & differential assessment!

MS already did write an OS I luv. See that?

Not one reason for me to run 8 or 8.1. NOT ONE.

 

[Virgorising]

A screenie is worth a thousand words.

Below, my desktop. See my yellow arrows. Top one points to the folder containing shortcuts to the apps I use most often. Its (custom) arrow icon is red.

Bottom one, with custom green arrow icon has shortcuts to all the apps I use, but not AS OFTEN.

Below, I hit the green icon to open the folder. You will see some of the shortcuts to the apps I use, but not as often as those in the top one with the red icon. And cause all this is custom configured by the user/owner of this system, NOT WINDOWS EIGHT..... I remember every single one and which desktop folder it is in!!!!

See how simple? See how perfect for ME? Behold the basic: our technology is meant to be configurable to augment our unique needs and not be dictated by some Fascistic company overriding those needs.

 

[bbhaag]

Not entrenched arbitrarily or capriciously, but happy choice via discernment, differential assessment!

MS already did write an OS I luv. See that?

Not one reason for me to run 8 or 8.1. NOT ONE.

Indeed I do.

 

[Virgorising]

Indeed I do.

OMG, that was sooo cute!!!!!!!!:biggrin:

 

[Mem]

A screenie is worth a thousand words.

Below, my desktop. See my yellow arrows. Top one points to the folder containing shortcuts to the apps I use most often. Its (custom) arrow icon is red.

Bottom one, with custom green arrow icon has shortcuts to all the apps I use, but not AS OFTEN.

Below, I hit the green icon to open the folder. You will see some of the shortcuts to the apps I use, but not as often as those in the top one with the red icon. And cause all this is custom configured by the user/owner of this system, NOT WINDOWS EIGHT..... I remember every single one and which desktop folder it is in!!!!

See how simple? See how perfect for ME? Behold the basic: our technology is meant to be configurable to augment our unique needs and not be dictated by some Fascistic company overriding those needs.

I like my desktop UI neat even on Win7/Vista etc so hate shortcuts anyway from what I've seen you could just make 8.1 boot to old desktop UI and do your own shortcuts like you have on Win7 screenie ,that would give you 95% of what you have there,one of good things about 8/8.1 it quite customisable on both old desktop and Metro.


Hate to burst your bubble but don't think you going to see Win7 type OS ever again in the future ,either get use to it or look at Linux .

 

[ControlD]

A screenie is worth a thousand words.

Below, my desktop. See my yellow arrows. Top one points to the folder containing shortcuts to the apps I use most often. Its (custom) arrow icon is red.

Bottom one, with custom green arrow icon has shortcuts to all the apps I use, but not AS OFTEN.

Below, I hit the green icon to open the folder. You will see some of the shortcuts to the apps I use, but not as often as those in the top one with the red icon. And cause all this is custom configured by the user/owner of this system, NOT WINDOWS EIGHT..... I remember every single one and which desktop folder it is in!!!!

See how simple? See how perfect for ME? Behold the basic: our technology is meant to be configurable to augment our unique needs and not be dictated by some Fascistic company overriding those needs.

I'm not sure I understand how your screenshots are an argument against Windows 8. You can have the exact same setup you have shown in your screenshot with Windows 8. In fact, you have pretty much made an argument against the start menu with the way you have your system setup. You are using folders of shortcuts on your desktop rather than using the start menu. You can do exactly the same thing with Windows 8/8.1.

 

[Virgorising]

I like my desktop UI neat even on Win7/Vista etc so hate shortcuts anyway from what I've seen you could just make 8.1 boot to old desktop UI and do your own shortcuts like you have on Win7 screenie ,that would give you 95% of what you have there,one of good things about 8/8.1 it quite customisable on both old desktop and Metro.


Hate to burst your bubble but don't think you going to see Win7 type OS ever again in the future ,either get use to it or look at Linux .

Hi,

Just caught this which I truly appreciate, given, when I tested 8 I did not know this. Nor did I try to configure it on the two systems I repaired running it and belonging to other humans. but, there is still not one reason for me to "upgrade," given, this system, as it is running 7, is about as snappy/fast as anything I could want; I had major difficultly finding drivers for my fav old printer which would work, even in 7, but I managed with the help of others in the same boat on the net. I know I could not in 8. (Bought two newer printers over time, gave both away and went back to my fav one.)

And, one of my most important apps, Revosleep, puts my backup drive to sleep when I am working the drive I usually boot into (as I am right now),....like many apps, is not compatible with 8.

And I take issue with yr conviction that multiplatform OSes of this kind, with their inherent "I am all things to all people", will be the future. Were that true, 8 and 8.1 would be doing far, FAR better than they are.

Again, I appreciate yr post!

 

[Virgorising]

It's not just MS. Many companies are doing it. I think Gnome's on the way to a desktop with a single button in the middle that does everything. Mozilla's removing features from Firefox, and Chrome's always been stripped.

Computers are being made for the lowest common denominator; the people who have trouble using facebook due to the drool left on the keys. Big brother knows best, and will control that hard computer for you. You just sit back and enjoy what we think you'd like to see :^S

Very interesting, very intelligent stuff above! LUVED the comments re Fakebook addicts!!!!

But bottom line, as I have posted here many times: The heart of Capitalism, is, we, the consumers, the marketplace... are meant to rule and determine what succeeds and what does not.

But if everyone rationalizes going along from helplessness/defeatism....that model does not work.

 

[Virgorising]

I'm not sure I understand how your screenshots are an argument against Windows 8. You can have the exact same setup you have shown in your screenshot with Windows 8. In fact, you have pretty much made an argument against the start menu with the way you have your system setup. You are using folders of shortcuts on your desktop rather than using the start menu. You can do exactly the same thing with Windows 8/8.1.

I use my start menu all the time and would not be without it! I have simply configured things to be far more efficient than using it for everything. The time I save is off the hook.

 

[Mem]

And I take issue with yr conviction that multiplatform OSes of this kind, with their inherent "I am all things to all people", will be the future. Were that true, 8 and 8.1 would be doing far, FAR better than they are.

Again, I appreciate yr post!

It's what Microsoft want and as always its the users that are slow to change,end of the day modern OS is needed not a twenty year old desktop UI going back to Win95 days,end of the day you may not like it but Microsoft can now focus more on fine tuning their new hybrid operating systems for the future in Win9,10 etc,reminds me of how Win7 was fine tuned from Win95 which was almost twenty years ago.

 

[Virgorising]

S is not yr

It's what Microsoft want and as always its the users that are slow to change,end of the day modern OS is needed not a twenty year old desktop UI going back to Win95 days,end of the day you may not like it but Microsoft can now focus more on fine tuning their new hybrid operating systems for the future in Win9,10 etc..

See, you missed the important part of my response, and I winced re "
It's what MS wants."

THAT IS NOT HOW CAPITALISM WORKS.

It is sheep humans who are (OMG, seriously?) always capitulating, unwitting SLAVES to business, Rather than being The Deciders AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.... who compromise the heart of the model and bow to the foxes running our chicken coop.

You are not a helpless child and MS is not YOUR PARENT.

Viable analogy just presented, given you are a Brit: you sound a lot like Neville Chamberlain. Perhaps, your goal should be to earn back the privilege of being more like Winston Churchill.

 

[Mem]

See, you missed the important part of my response, and I winced re "
It's what MS wants."

THAT IS NOT HOW CAPITALISM WORKS.

It is sheep humans who are (OMG, seriously?) always capitulating, UNWITTING slaves to business who compromise the heart of the model!

I think you miss my point ,its their OS so they are entitled to design it how they want,we as consumers have the choice if we want to buy their product,fact is modern hardware has changed a lot since Win95 days and Win7 is still based on that old design,as you know we have touch ,mobile phones ,tablets,PCs,laptops etc so in a way it makes sense to make an OS that can handle all that and focus fine tuning the hybrid design for the future,desktop PC nowadays is no longer on its own and unlike the old days has a lot of competition.

Microsoft I think decided it makes it easier to have one OS rather then multiple operating systems for individual things,you may not like that but fact is hardware has changed alot since the old days.

Btw you are talking to an old timer here that started on DOS 6.22 ,so I've seen many changes with Microsoft over the decades,do you think I'm surprised or can't handle it,you know the answer to that .
Regardless its going to be an interesting future for Microsoft and Linux ,book my front seat now .

 

[Virgorising]

I think you miss my point ,its their OS so they are entitled to design it how they want,we as consumers have the choice if we want to buy their product,fact is modern hardware has changed a lot since Win95 days and Win7 is still based on that old design,as you know we have touch ,mobile phones ,tablets,PCs,laptops etc so in a way it makes sense to make an OS that can handle all that and focus fine tuning the hybrid design for the future,desktop PC nowadays is no longer on its own and unlike the old days has a lot of competition.

Microsoft I think decided it makes it easier to have one OS rather then mulitple operating systems for individual things,you may not like that but fact is hardware has changed alot since the old days.

I missed nuthin. Again, more Neville chamberlain stuff. I do not care what MS decides. Nor, thank goodness, do the world's people who are still buying Windows 7. Forget, businesses thruout the world who will go on running P past April. Please, you are not here to be a slave and just GO ALONG WITH COMMERCE.

The MT platform was an unalloyed step forward with no downsides. NOT EVERYTHING THEY DO IS.

As for hardware, sorry, what works perfectly and is suitable for tablets and smartphones, as the metrics are already proving.... is NOT VIABLE for people who do serious work using PCs. And, being able to get around it with effort, is beside the point.

And the metrics are what they are, despite that the deals MS cuts with Mfgs, and new lappys all come loaded with 8. Didn't work with VISTA, did it?

Mfgs of high end desktops, esp those made for businesses, to this second, offer the option for Windows 7 in their newest systems. Cause they are not stupid.

And, neither are YOU!!!! Being and "old timer" can rock! When it reflects being wise, and sharp having having learned to be in charge of what you CHOOSE to buy!!!!

Now, pls see this:
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/optiplex-9010/fs

The 9010 Mini Tower on the left is the best in the Optiplex line, of course. See what OS they offer! I use only Opti MTs for my desktops (tho in my case, only used in perfect condition on ebay; I save a TON.)

Then, notice..... THEY ARE ALL OUT OF STOCK.
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Edit: Again, when the model for what Capitalism is meant to be is healthy, all businesses have to respond to THE MARKETPLACE. Or else, they loose. Sometimes temporarily, sometimes not. So, this "deciding' must never be driven by simple greed or underestimating that model and its consequences.

I am anything but averse to progress, i.e. I like W7 far more than I did XP, and I liked XP a lot..... but it must be worthy and viable and REAL progress, not a greed driven dog and pony show.

 

[Mem]

S meant to do T platform was a hugeT platform S DECIDES


I missed nuthin. Again, more Neville chamberlain stuff. I do not care what MS decides. Nor, thank goodness, do the world's people who are still buying Windows 7. Forget, businesses thruout the world who will go on running P past April.

The MT platform was an unalloyed step forward with no downsides. NOT EVERYTHING THEY DO IS.

As for hardware, sorry, what works perfectly and is suitable for tablets and smartphones, as the metrics are already proving.... is NOT VIABLE for people who do serious work using PCs. And, being able to get around it with effort, is beside the point.

And the metrics are what they are, despite that the deals MS cuts with HD mfgs are why new lappys all come loaded with 8. Didn't work with VISTA, did it?

Mfgs of high end desktops, esp those made for businesses, offer the option for Windows 7. Cause they are not stupid.

Regardless you are being very naive if you expected Win7 UI or desktop UI to stay the same forever,all I can say is get over it.

Operating systems will always change and continue to evolve over time,nothing you or I can do about that except choose what we actually use or buy.

Lets keep this civilized as well .

 

[Virgorising]

Regardless you are being very naive if you expected Win7 UI or desktop UI to stay the same forever,all I can say is get over it.

Operating systems will always change and continue to evolve over time,nothing you or I can do about that except choose what we actually use or buy.

Lets keep this civilized as well .

Buy all accounts, I am always civilized. And we are not here to accept what we can not abide in life. I mean, in any arena.

I take huge issue with your premise that Windows 8 IS positive, viable EVOLUTION as opposed to a shameful attempt which is already failing.....to exploit dilettantes and insult the rest of us.

Also, by all accounts, I am passionately idealistic. But that is not the same thing as being naive. Not at all.

Again, why you feel you need to remain hostage to come company, upsets me. Please do not say in that too I am being naive.

 

[Mem]

Again, why you feel you need to remain hostage to come company, upsets me. Please do not say in that too I am being naive.

How am I hostage to Microsoft when I use three different Linux distros as well?..I only use things I like,plenty of choices out there if you open your eyes.

 

[Virgorising]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/11/14/poll-shows-us-consumers-hesitant-windows-8/1700585/

Yes, I know, from a year ago and before release of 8.1. I think those are moot.