Just upgraded to 7900GT from X800XL. Holy crap is CS:Source UGLY!

[BFG10K]

16Xs is very usable in SLI mode.

Not really - you need Quad SLI just to play 8xSLI in modern games acceptably.

As for IQ, 4xTrAA SS is vastly superior at cleaning up alpha textures than 4xOGSS while running much faster at the same time.

Did they add SS Tr anywhere like what GStanfor said??

If they did it won't show up in their test examples.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

16Xs is very usable in SLI mode.

Not really - you need Quad SLI just to play 8xSLI in modern games acceptably.

As for IQ, 4xTrAA SS is vastly superior at cleaning up alpha textures than 4xOGSS while running much faster at the same time.

Did they add SS Tr anywhere like what GStanfor said??

If they did it won't show up in their test examples.

Rubbish! Tell that to my SLI'd 7900GT 512mb's. Its possible to run around outside in oblivion all settings maxed and heaps of mods loaded (with the exceptions that HDR/bloom is off, short grass mod is on and so is a modded fake HDR mod) at 15-20 fps. SSAA TRAA is also enabled BTW and the screen res is 1600x1200. Go down to 8xS and nothing changes. Drop down to 4x with no TRAA and you still get the same frame rate. So 16xAA is FREE in some modern games.

I played the entire way through Bloodlines at 16x AA, and that was on an AGP 6800GT - it screams on SLI.

Transparency AA stacks on top of anything, except in OpenGL mode.

EDIT: Acutally, I'd revise the figures I gave up a fair amount. It seems FRAPS slows Oblivion down a fair amount when overlaying FPS.

 

[Sonikku]

You were probably just spoiled by the better IQ of ATI cards. Welcome to shimmer city.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Question. Does Crossfire suffer the same v sync prob like SLI?

Can someone list down the issues with both XFire AND Sli?

 

[Gstanfor]

I'm really not sure what the v sync problem with SLI is. The closest I've seen to something like that is when a game uses SFR. I haven't found a game yet using SFR I couldn't get to work with AFR or AFR2 though.

SLI has the same v sync problems as one card does - a good example - the chimney stacks near the west marshall bridge in Mafia, and the solutions are the same as for a single card from what I've seen.

 

[BFG10K]

Rubbish! Tell that to my SLI'd 7900GT 512mb's. Its possible to run around outside in oblivion all settings maxed and heaps of mods loaded (with the exceptions that HDR/bloom is off, short grass mod is on and so is a modded fake HDR mod) at 15-20 fps.

An utter slideshow in otherwords. Do you seriously expect anyone to take you seriously when you claim 15-20 FPS is acceptable?

Click.

Let's see, your 7900GT SLI is slower than a 7900GTX SLI so you'd get somewhere around 20 FPS in the first benchmark graph with 8xSLI AA, which in itself is already a slideshow. Enable 16xSLI AA and you're looking at half that if not less.

Go down to 8xS and nothing changes. Drop down to 4x with no TRAA and you still get the same frame rate. So 16xAA is FREE in some modern games.

That's because your processor sucks so you're CPU limited, a fact that has nothing to do with massive performance hit of SLI AA modes.

It's not "free", it's that you're slideshowing everywhere because your platform feeding your video cards is so lethargic.

I played the entire way through Bloodlines at 16x AA, and that was on an AGP 6800GT

Which we've already discussed was a slideshow in the past just like your claims now. My 7900GTX isn't fast enough to play that game with 16xS and you're telling me your 6800GT is? LMAO.

it screams on SLI.

Err, SLI AA is not the same as the regular xS modes. The sample patterns are dfferent and the performance hit is higher with SLI modes compared to the xS modes.

I'm really not sure what the v sync problem with SLI is

In many cases you can't run both combined.

 

[Gstanfor]

You didn't catch the edit where I said FRAPS slowed Oblivion down greatly? In any case many would kill for even 15 fps in that game, and it was almost completely maxed out out graphics wise. A faster CPU will do more for FPS in that game than a faster card. It's a very consistent and smooth 15 fps though, not juddery or anything. The wife likes it well enough, and she's the one who has to play it, not me.

About Bloodlines, do you making an idiot of yourself, by *ass*uming that I was using SLI AA. I wasn't, and if you read the forum a little more carefully, you'll see where I've stated (long before you made your asinine post) that I see no point to SLI AA given you can still use the normal combined AA modes.

As for Bloodlines on the 6800GT, if you think 35-40 fps is a slideshow, then that's your problem, not mine. Not everyone has the same framerate fetish you suffer from. The game is and was extremely playable at 1600x1200 16x AA. You and your "broken" 6800U wouldn't know any different anyway...

Just looked at that FS article. Given they were using a FX62 and SLI'd 7900GTX's, I don't think my system is in too bad a shape at all, especially since there in a ton of IQ improving mods running on my system that I'll bet they aren't running. Why don't go go annoy ther Arsian's with your framerate lust? Oh I know why - they are as sick of hearing it from you as we are!!!

 

[BFG10K]

You didn't catch the edit where I said FRAPS slowed Oblivion down greatly?

It makes no difference to the fact that the SLI AA modes (or even the xS modes) generally slideshow in modern games.

In any case many would kill for even 15 fps in that game, and it was almost completely maxed out out graphics wise.

This is totally and utterly irrelevant to the issue at hand.

About Bloodlines, do you making an idiot of yourself, by *ass*uming that I was using SLI AA.

Why do you persist with these personal attacks despite being warned by the mods to stop?

I wasn't, and if you read the forum a little more carefully, you'll see where I've stated (long before you made your asinine post) that I see no point to SLI AA given you can still use the normal combined AA modes.

I didn't claim you were running SLI AA in Bloodlines and this would be painfully obvious if you had bothered to comprehend the fact that I was comparing your 6800GT claims to my single 7900 GTX.

As for Bloodlines on the 6800GT, if you think 35-40 fps is a slideshow, then that's your problem, not mine.

In the outdoor street areas my 7900 GTX dips well below 20 FPS in some areas and that's with a GPU and processor probably twice as fast as your old 3200XP/6800GT setup. There's nothing wrong with my system - quite the opposite actually. The problem is with your delusional claims.

You and your "broken" 6800U wouldn't know any different anyway...

This coming from the guy that claimed nHancer wouldn't work with 91.31 and also denied nVidia driver issues while others were reproducing them around him, while nVidia fixed them in 91.31. Your credibility is less than zero I'm afraid.

 

[Gstanfor]

quote:
it screams on SLI.


Err, SLI AA is not the same as the regular xS modes. The sample patterns are dfferent and the performance hit is higher with SLI modes compared to the xS modes.

No, BFG10K, you didn't write that, did you? The tooth fairy did!

I didn't claim you were running SLI AA in Bloodlines and this would be painfully obvious if you had bothered to comprehend the fact that I was comparing your 6800GT claims to my single 7900 GTX

Still makes no sense mate. Neither the 6800GT or the 7900GTX are capable of SLI AA, unless they are actually running as part of an SLI system, which the 6800GT wasn't (impossible on AGP) and your 7900GTX isn't (unless you aren't telling us something...)

the 91 series so far is garbage IMHO. I'll be sticking to 85.96 for a while yet...

quote:
In any case many would kill for even 15 fps in that game, and it was almost completely maxed out out graphics wise.


This is totally and utterly irrelevant to the issue at hand.

No it is NOT irrelevant! For me and many others IQ and content come first, speed second. I quess you play online with textures disabled and 640x480 to max your fps like other speed nutters?

Oh, and you may want to check the system rigs link in my sig, before you go pronouncing my CPU to be slow... I think you'll find it's not far away from you own...