Just upgraded to 7900GT from X800XL. Holy crap is CS:Source UGLY!

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yacoub

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Walking around, most of the textures on the walls crawl horribly. How do I fix this or is this a bug inherent to NVidia drivers compared to ATI?

Card definitely performs better without dipping as much as the X800XL but ugh it looks TERRIBLE!

I'm running the 91.33 drivers, tried turning off AA and AF, maxing them out in CS:S (4x and 8x respectively), tried turning V-Sync On, and none of that affected it.

What do I do to get rid of this?!
 
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Nightmare225

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Go into your driver and try turning up the image quality settings. Either that, or you are one of the unlucky few who got one from the bad batch they made a few months ago.
 
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Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Go into your driver and try turning up the image quality settings. Either that, or you are one of the unlucky few who got one from the bad batch they made a few months ago.
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What would be ideal for the image quality settings on a 7900GT?
 
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hans030390

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Um, you may have installed your drivers poorly. Get the latest ones off of the Nvidia site (91.31). Download driver cleaner. Now, uninstall any Nvidia or ATI drivers in the control panel. Then, boot into safe mode and run driver cleaner (clean out the ATI and Nvidia drivers). Then install the new drivers.

Or you got a crappy card.

That's all I have to offer.
 
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yacoub

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Please explain "you got a crappy card". How does the card's hardware vary? FWIW, it's a brand new eVGA N-584 "Reloaded" model from NewEgg, so no it's not the older style with hardware issues.

I'm sensing the reality might just be that NVidia has driver issues with CS:Source, particularly related to texture crawling.
 
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yacoub

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Level of Detail for D3D and OpenGL are set to High and Image Settings is set to High Quality. What else is there to configure?
 
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Originally posted by: yacoub
Level of Detail for D3D and OpenGL are set to High and Image Settings is set to High Quality. What else is there to configure?
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lod bias clamp on, all optimizations off if they arent off already

with HQ mode there is very little shimmering or none at all
 
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yacoub

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I'm not sure a picture can explain texture crawling - it's something that happens as you move. As I move, there's like a layer over some textures that floats or crawls or something, particularly on fences and textures like bricks where there are lines.
 
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Smartazz

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I still don't understand texture crawling. Isn't that supposed to happen on fences?
 
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yacoub

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Originally posted by: Smartazz
I still don't understand texture crawling. Isn't that supposed to happen on fences?
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Well let's put it this way - my X800XL had none of what you're about to (hopefully) see: I'm installing FRAPS and hope to capture this on video. I'll try turning off the optimizations first though to see if that fixes it.
 
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yacoub

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Well if I compress it using the crappy codec that comes with Windows Movie Maker you can't see it, so here's a 1-second clip (12MB) that shows it in FRAPS' .avi format. Look at the lower wall on the left, just past the black graffiti, the upper wall on the same building, , the building and phone pole ahead in the distance, etc. There's like a layer of waviness over them all and anywhere there are distinct lines they crawl. I'm wondering if it's something related to LOD, but I'm uncertain what to set to fix it.

http://users.adelphia.net/~jrockcls/cscrawl1.avi
 
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Originally posted by: yacoub
Originally posted by: JBT
Originally posted by: yacoub
Here are the defaults, schneiderguy - so turn all of these off?

http://users.adelphia.net/~jrockcls/default.gif
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yep.
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How do I turn LOD bias clamp ON, then? Just leave everything UNselected?

edit: even with everything on that menu UNselected, it still crawls all over the place :(
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you want to leave the check next to the lod clamp

what are you using to change the driver settings?
 
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CP5670

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You're seeing the infamous shimmering. As others have said though, the HQ/LOD clamp combination gets rid of most of it.
 
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yacoub

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okay turning the LOD option back on seems to help a bit. now just really strange partitioned shadows remain (and of course hectic crawling on fences and whatnot but not as noticeable on the building textures anymore)

http://users.adelphia.net/~jrockcls/cscrawl3.avi
(other two files removed to fit this one)

notice the train tracks still crawl and the lightning changes on the wall are REALLY weird and this is exhibited in many other places as well.

man, my X800XL had NONE of these issues. Good thing I'm more interested in playing the game than the visuals or I'd regret this and rather put up with the noise of ax X1800/X1900 style card. =\
 
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Originally posted by: yacoub
okay turning the LOD option back on seems to help a bit. now just really strange partitioned shadows remain (and of course hectic crawling on fences and whatnot but not as noticeable on the building textures anymore)

http://users.adelphia.net/~jrockcls/cscrawl3.avi
(other two files removed to fit this one)

notice the train tracks still crawl and the lightning changes on the wall are REALLY weird and this is exhibited in many other places as well.

man, my X800XL had NONE of these issues. Good thing I'm more interested in playing the game than the visuals or I'd regret this and rather put up with the noise of ax X1800/X1900 style card. =\
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the traintrack looks like its from aliasing not anisotropic shimmering

and you can enable supersampled transparency AA to get rid of the fence jaggies :)

 
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Originally posted by: yacoub
Good thing I'm more interested in playing the game than the visuals ...
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For sure. That's why you're on anandtechs forum instead of pla..... wait.... ;)

In regards to your issue, I've noticed that in some driver releases from nvidia the LOD bias option is completely broken and doesn't work at all. Dunno about the latest ones that you're using. Good luck!
 
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yacoub

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thanks guys, I'll keep fiddlin' with it.

In the meantime, anyone know what each of these options are? Obviously the numbers make sense, but what comes after them I don't know. I guess SS is SuperSample? What are the other options? Will any of them not work since I am not using two cards in SLI mode?

http://users.adelphia.net/~jrockcls/aa.gif


also, i put video 2 back up and took 3 down.
 
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Set the driver to High Quality and 16xAF and it should look fine. Also use transparency AA for chain-link fences and so on.
 
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