Just thinking last night...

[OneOfTheseDays]

You're being judgmental.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Kev
GREAT STORY A++++++++++++ WOULD READ AGAIN!!

I dont know why, but that almost made me fall out of my chair laughing.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: kstu

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: kstu
I find it sad that you have come to the conclusion that college kids are spiraling out of control because you saw some drunk and (possibly) high kids walking around campus. Newsflash: college life is probably about the same as it was 20 years ago and will be 20 years from now. I find it sad that you can't seem to understand that you're not going to see the majority of students who are studying or sleeping when your walking back to your dorm at night. I find it sad that you so easily dismiss and look down upon those who partake in alcohol underage or smoke marijuana based solely on the legality of it all. Do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

So this thread is going towards morality now? Its funny, how I just said that it is sad that every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday (And in some cases Sunday) that people destroy their bodies and some destroy (part of) their lives (Whether that is by killing someone, destroying a friendship etc...), and people start bringing up the morality of a situation.

I don't think any less of the person. I would just as readily be their friend as my other friends- but when was the last time you saw someone die or destroy a friendship or something from doing things such as going to a movie, going to a concert etc. I don't ever recall hearing about the MGA or the CA (Movie Goers Anonymous, or the Christians Anonymous). I don't ever remember hearing about someone getting arrested for things such as that either.

I was not talking about the situation, I was talking about you. You seem to be morally opposed to some things (marijuana and underage drinking) based solely on their legality:

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
However, I do know that breaking the law is wrong (marijuana, all the underage drinking)

So again I ask you, do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

If I answer this it brings my religion up more than people have already spoken.

I derive my morals from the Bible and God. What the Government tells me not to do, they tell me for a reason (And don't bring up the weak argument "Well what if the Government told you the [insert object or belief] was wrong"). Marijuana is illegal because it is detrimental to people's bodies. I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18 but because it is illegal it isn't my place to flat out disobey it- and not just have a drink once in a while, but disobey it in grand fashion (Passing out anyone).

-Kevin

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

STRAIGHT from Scott Adams' Rules for Debating on the Internet. "Always assume the stupidest possible interpretation" or "Regard statements as absolutes"
Unless you're an idiot, you know that he wasn't saying you were bad for disapproving of the drunk driver. But you chose to respond to his statement as if he had. So I then took your stupid reply and amped it up.
My apologies if you actually are stupid and think that's what he meant. But I doubt it.

Instead of insulting me as only someone who can't argue would do- why don't you open up your mind a little bit. What is the difference between judging the drunk driver, and the person who is drinking. Heck, I've screwed up in my life- I'm not perfect, what makes me any worse than these people.

They could just as easily look at me if I were to cuss (I try not to but I'm human I make mistakes) and say "And he calls himself a Christian".

I'm not saying I am any better than them, I'm just saddened by certain choices.

I didn't insult you unless you're stupid--and if you are, I'm not too worried about it
And there's a world of difference between judging a drunk driver and a person who's drinking.

 

[mwmorph]

Must be a VaTech thing, here at UIUC, there not that many potheads, in fact its a very small minority.

As for alcohol, so what? I mean underage drinking is not what it is demonized out to be. America has the most restrictive drinking age in the world except for Islamic theocracies that prohibit fellow Muslims to drink at all, but let non-Muslims, usually of any age drink.

Also, you are in no position to judge or be outraged. That's the problem with so many fellow Christians, they feel like somehow by reading the bible and following the commandments and believing in salvation and so forth, they have not only a right but a responsibility to judge, spread the word and try to convert people to your way of thinking.

That in itself is flawed thinking. It was Jesus himself that said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". You have no right to be angry at these people, because in god's eyes, you are just as unclean and a sinner as they are. You're no better or worse than those alcoholic potheads because of original sin and the fact that thinking an impure thought or deed is just as committing that in god's eyes.

As Leo Tolstoy once said, "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself."

Instead of seeing society's problems and trying to fix them why not look at yourself and see if there's anything you can fix, like say your closed-mindedness and seeming (again all I could tell is from what you wrote but it seems like you're looking down on these people as "Inferior") disdain for others that you have judged, or maybe the hubris, "for everyone that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbeth himself shall be exalted", and for the record, Christianity is a way of life, not something to be prideful of and brag about. Jesus should be in your mind and possibly your heart, not your T-shirt, because as shown by your anecdote, it wont inspire anyone to convert, I dont see the point. I mean the only message I can think of a Got Jesus shirt sends is "I believe in god and you should too" and that;s just a dick move.

Ironically me saying these things means I'm imposing my ideals against you which is against my very ideals... so I'll stfu now.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You can't just claim it has nothing to do with it by having a disclaimer is my point. It's not that hard to comprehend is it?

If I had just left out "Christian Jame Session" what would your argument be. Put your ego aside and look past the fact that I mentioned the Jam Session I was at was Christian oriented.

Also for your information, I am well aware that the world is not divided up into Christians and Bad People. Everyone makes bad decisions, Christians included. So your point is just an attempt to bash my religion.

-Kevin

He'd probably say the same thing considering the "Christian- And proud of it" line in your sig.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You sound superbly boring and in need of some high ground with which to feel better about being as much. This coming from a fellow non-drinker/non-drug user, mind you.

Getting drunk out of your mind every night is dumb, but if there was ever a time and place to occasionally toss out the concept of moderation, university would be it. I'd rather look back and cringe at the stuff that I did, rather than look back and mourn the things I didn't do.

I said I am saddened by this- how in the world does that make me feel better by providing "high[er] ground"??

Why would I look back and say, "Darn I wish I would have broken the law that night in College" or if they are over 21 and drinking, "Darn I wish I would have gotten so trashed that night where I don't remember anything"

-Kevin

You can pretend to be shocked and dismayed (or in your words, "saddened") by the behaviour of your peers, but it isn't really fooling anyone. You're making a play at establishing moral authority but instead you're illustrating an element of jealousy. It's not like I'm the only one who sees this.

Personally I feel that there's value in exploring every (sane) avenue of the human experience - you never know what awesomeness you might be missing out upon. That includes "getting trashed" once or twice. At the very least, I wouldn't be "saddened" by those who do decide to go that route occasionally. Who the hell am I to know or care? Maybe the lot of them just came from a MENSA meeting and the guy who peed on himself will be your boss five years hence. Get emotional about your own life choices.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
I agree with you. College today is no longer higher education, it's a rite of passage, and not having gone to college is a mark of shame. Now there are a lot of people in college who really shouldn't be.

I didn't go to college and I'm certainly not ashamed of it, and don't think I'd particularly want to associate with anyone who thinks it's a mark of shame.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I derive my morals from the Bible and God. What the Government tells me not to do, they tell me for a reason (And don't bring up the weak argument "Well what if the Government told you the [insert object or belief] was wrong"). Marijuana is illegal because it is detrimental to people's bodies. I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18 but because it is illegal it isn't my place to flat out disobey it- and not just have a drink once in a while, but disobey it in grand fashion (Passing out anyone).

-Kevin

I find that confusing--marijuana is illegal because it's bad for you, but you think the more-harmful alcohol should be made more accessible to younger kids.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

STRAIGHT from Scott Adams' Rules for Debating on the Internet. "Always assume the stupidest possible interpretation" or "Regard statements as absolutes"
Unless you're an idiot, you know that he wasn't saying you were bad for disapproving of the drunk driver. But you chose to respond to his statement as if he had. So I then took your stupid reply and amped it up.
My apologies if you actually are stupid and think that's what he meant. But I doubt it.

Instead of insulting me as only someone who can't argue would do- why don't you open up your mind a little bit. What is the difference between judging the drunk driver, and the person who is drinking. Heck, I've screwed up in my life- I'm not perfect, what makes me any worse than these people.

They could just as easily look at me if I were to cuss (I try not to but I'm human I make mistakes) and say "And he calls himself a Christian".

I'm not saying I am any better than them, I'm just saddened by certain choices.

I didn't insult you unless you're stupid--and if you are, I'm not too worried about it
And there's a world of difference between judging a drunk driver and a person who's drinking.

I didn't say drinking. Drunk on the other hand is a loss of all ihibition- you lose all sense of right or wrong. Therefore you are just a wrong as the person who is drunk driving. Just the same way as if I cuss I am just as wrong as someone who is drinking. (Christian belief, humans put weight on wrongdoings- in God's mind they are all just as bad).

Oh and unless I'm mistaken all the bolded words are certainly not complimentary.

-Kevin

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: nick1985
When has ATOT had a thread where Christianity is mentioned and there ISNT a flame fest?

:laugh:

 

[ViviTheMage]

thank god I never lived in the dorms

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I derive my morals from the Bible and God. What the Government tells me not to do, they tell me for a reason (And don't bring up the weak argument "Well what if the Government told you the [insert object or belief] was wrong"). Marijuana is illegal because it is detrimental to people's bodies. I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18 but because it is illegal it isn't my place to flat out disobey it- and not just have a drink once in a while, but disobey it in grand fashion (Passing out anyone).

-Kevin

I find that confusing--marijuana is illegal because it's bad for you, but you think the more-harmful alcohol should be made more accessible to younger kids.

And here we get to the crux of the problem. He's simply a follower with irrational lines of thinkings because of indoctrination.

Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against religion (as my posting history will support). This kid just happened to be in an environment where kool-aid was encouraged.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

STRAIGHT from Scott Adams' Rules for Debating on the Internet. "Always assume the stupidest possible interpretation" or "Regard statements as absolutes"
Unless you're an idiot, you know that he wasn't saying you were bad for disapproving of the drunk driver. But you chose to respond to his statement as if he had. So I then took your stupid reply and amped it up.
My apologies if you actually are stupid and think that's what he meant. But I doubt it.

Instead of insulting me as only someone who can't argue would do- why don't you open up your mind a little bit. What is the difference between judging the drunk driver, and the person who is drinking. Heck, I've screwed up in my life- I'm not perfect, what makes me any worse than these people.

They could just as easily look at me if I were to cuss (I try not to but I'm human I make mistakes) and say "And he calls himself a Christian".

I'm not saying I am any better than them, I'm just saddened by certain choices.

I didn't insult you unless you're stupid--and if you are, I'm not too worried about it
And there's a world of difference between judging a drunk driver and a person who's drinking.

I didn't say drinking. Drunk on the other hand is a loss of all ihibition- you lose all sense of right or wrong. Therefore you are just a wrong as the person who is drunk driving. Just the same way as if I cuss I am just as wrong as someone who is drinking. (Christian belief, humans put weight on wrongdoings- in God's mind they are all just as bad).

Oh and unless I'm mistaken all the bolded words are certainly not complimentary.

-Kevin

No, they're not, but you're also ignoring the modifiers. So maybe you really are. My condolences

 

[OdiN]

Girl friend(s) plural?

What are you, Mormon?

 

[Dirigible]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
You're being judgmental.

And putting yourself forth as better than them.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

STRAIGHT from Scott Adams' Rules for Debating on the Internet. "Always assume the stupidest possible interpretation" or "Regard statements as absolutes"
Unless you're an idiot, you know that he wasn't saying you were bad for disapproving of the drunk driver. But you chose to respond to his statement as if he had. So I then took your stupid reply and amped it up.
My apologies if you actually are stupid and think that's what he meant. But I doubt it.

Instead of insulting me as only someone who can't argue would do- why don't you open up your mind a little bit. What is the difference between judging the drunk driver, and the person who is drinking. Heck, I've screwed up in my life- I'm not perfect, what makes me any worse than these people.

They could just as easily look at me if I were to cuss (I try not to but I'm human I make mistakes) and say "And he calls himself a Christian".

I'm not saying I am any better than them, I'm just saddened by certain choices.

I didn't insult you unless you're stupid--and if you are, I'm not too worried about it
And there's a world of difference between judging a drunk driver and a person who's drinking.

I didn't say drinking. Drunk on the other hand is a loss of all ihibition- you lose all sense of right or wrong. Therefore you are just a wrong as the person who is drunk driving. Just the same way as if I cuss I am just as wrong as someone who is drinking. (Christian belief, humans put weight on wrongdoings- in God's mind they are all just as bad).

Oh and unless I'm mistaken all the bolded words are certainly not complimentary.

-Kevin

Re-read the specific verse in the Bible that you're thinking about, with regards to drunkenness. It is not a sin. The sin is the debauchery which can follow. Not all drunkenness leads to debauchery. Speak to a minister who really knows what they're talking about.

 

[manowar821]

From a very liberal un-structured atheist to you, I also find that disturbing and sad. It drove me nuts when my girlfriend was living on campus during college. I felt better after a while, but the anxiety never goes away completely.

College doesn't need to be like that, either. It just seems that stupid kids think that in order to be open minded and liberal, they have to be completely retarded, too. At least the one she went to was "better" than most, in regards to idiot students.

 

[thepd7]

You don't have to be a Christian to think that peole needing to get wasted to have fun is sad. There is just NO point to ever getting to where you can't walk and don't remember what you did the night before. None.

 

[jw0ollard]

@Gamingphreek

I understand where you're coming from. I also understand that this has nothing to do with religion, and I'm sorry that people have decided to attack you over it. I'm an atheist, and you don't see me freaking out over your ONE COMMENT about your "Christian Jam Session".

But anyway, I'd like to illustrate to everyone here that it's possible for a Christian and an Atheist to have the same views on drinking, drugs, and partying. These views don't boil down to "What religion are you?" but "Do you have morals?". Do you realize how many people die from overconsumption, or how many people die at the hands of a drunk driver??? I'm sorry I don't have the numbers, but I know most of you on this board know of at least one (acemcmac). Anthony Torsell was how old? Underage. And probably coming from one of these amazing "college parties"?? Most likely. Statistically, half of these kids partying 4 nights a week are UNDERAGE, which is not only wrong, but illegal.

So, pray tell, is it judgmental to look down on someone who is breaking the law (drunk drivers, murderers, pedophiles, rapists??)?? I think not, but most others here seem to think so. And let me say this: It's this general lack of concern and morality that got your good friend "acemcmac" killed. I'm not trying to be insensitive (trust me, I've cried over it, without ever knowing him), but it is this LACK of concern that let that f*cker ANTHONY TORSELL drive while he was plastered (.242% BAC!!). Maybe if Anthony Torsell's friends would have had the same CONCERN that gamingphreek and I do about this very sick, sad situation that is ruining our Universities, maybe they wouldn't have let him drunk drive in the first place. And on a side note, let me say this lack of concern is pretty evident. Torsell was a member of "My BAC is higher than my GPA" and had other alcohol related comments on his Facebook??

RE: The drug situation... From my experience, yours seems pretty avg, gamingphreek. I lived with not one, but TWO druggies in my Freshman dorm. One of my best friends from high school has turned to doing *a lot* of drugs, etc etc. And not only were my roommates loser druggies, but they would deal drugs to other kids in my dorm. How ILLEGAL of them; and do I look down on them?? Hell yes. I know I'm better than them, and I won't apoligize for it. You know, the best thing about it is that I was in what was supposed to be THE best Honors dorm on campus, too. Anyway, I did what was RIGHT, and I reported them to the GM and switched to a new room.

So anyway, gamingphreek, let me also apologize for the hypocrisy I've read in this thread, since you are, in fact, being JUDGED for being "judgmental". I would say you are "concerned" more than anything, and if you do secondarily believe that you are better than them for not drinking, then that is your OPINION and no one can take that away from you.

I DO happen to think I'm better than some of the idiots I see partying EVERY night in my apartment with their doors open and a "beer pong table" sticking halfway out. I *know* I'm better, and it's not because I think they're less of a human being, but I know that I'm going to live longer and healthier than most of them. I know I'm not going to need a new liver at any point in my life. And I certainly know that I'm not damaging my most precious thing -- my mind -- just to get trashed, stoned, and whatever else these idiots in college do.

</rant>

Go ahead and call me judgmental, which won't serve much purpose. Hypocrisy does give me a good chuckle though.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I didn't say drinking. Drunk on the other hand is a loss of all ihibition- you lose all sense of right or wrong. Therefore you are just a wrong as the person who is drunk driving. Just the same way as if I cuss I am just as wrong as someone who is drinking. (Christian belief, humans put weight on wrongdoings- in God's mind they are all just as bad).

Oh and unless I'm mistaken all the bolded words are certainly not complimentary.

-Kevin

*Bzzztt* Try again, sparky. I agree with you that drunk driving is always wrong, and that being passed out in the middle of the road is a bad thing, but your statement here is illogical.

It is quite possible to be drunk (i.e. "tipsy") without being flat-out wasted. And even in a slightly intoxicated state, you are not necessarily putting anyone's life at risk. However, driving drunk ALWAYS puts someone's life at risk.

Drunkenness and drunk driving are not even close to being at the same level of wrong, either legally or morally.

If people weren't wrongly taught about the undeniable evils of marijuana and underage drinking, perhaps kids wouldn't go ape-shit and overconsume once they reach college. Moderation and truthful drug education FTW.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

religion and judgement is best in moderation as well

 

[clamum]

Ugh. Some of the anti-drinking pansy sh!t in this thread is making me wanna get sh!t-faced. Well it's 5pm so work is done, I'll be there in a few hours. :thumbsup:

 

[K1052]

Self-righteous moral superiority is a hell of a drug.

 

[NaOH]

Whatever floats your boat.