Just thinking last night...

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: uhohs
:thumbsup: for you

but this is atot, sadly this thread can go no where but downhill because Christianity was mentioned.

no, it's how he is being judgemental of others because they don't practice the same things he does and have different definitions for the word fun. that's what everyone is replying about. very few replies have really gone as far as just bashing the religiousness.

:thumbsup: for you

Gamingphreek is saying he finds it "sad" how there are drunken kids around the streets of a college campus, then plays semantics to say he is not looking down on them.

It is "sad" because they are not like him. They are not doing anything wrong (aside from the drunk driver who I noted should have been reported to the police). Since they are doing nothing wrong, the only reason you can find it "sad" is if you think it should not be that way - and in turn, think that your way is better.

I don't drink much, either, and I severely hate drunken idiots. But I let them do their own thing while I do mine.

:beer:

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: clamum
Probably depends on the campus. There was never anything like that where I went to school. Except for once a year, Winter Carnvial.

I'm at Virginia Tech. I love this school so much, and I have met so many people that are more incredible that I could have ever hoped to meet-- but the one thing I hate about the school is that it seems to be getting a reputation: Last year 2 Football players arrested for disorderly conduct, Backup QB in Alcohol Rehab, people claim it is becoming a party school. I wouldn't trade this school for any other, but I do wish that this trend would reverse.

-Kevin

Come up to JMU. They'll show you how to party right. Most Tech parties even charge at the door. Lame.

 

[Electric Amish]

So, what was the reason for pointing out that some people had "bloodshot eyes"?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
So, what was the reason for pointing out that some people had "bloodshot eyes"?

Well I may be wrong, but a combination of alcohol and marijuana might do that-- but I'm not sure- certainly just doesn't happen.

no, it's how he is being judgemental of others because they don't practice the same things he does and have different definitions for the word fun. that's what everyone is replying about. very few replies have really gone as far as just bashing the religiousness.

I don't care if they aren't like me. I really don't. I'm know full well my way is not the only way to have fun. However, I do know that breaking the law is wrong (marijuana, all the underage drinking)-- I also know that drunk driving is wrong. If you are over 21 and choose to get trashed (Though there may be positive aspects, there are a whole host more negative aspects) though I may disagree with it that is their choice.

I find it sad that people cry out how responsible they are in college, they object to all the stereotypes, yet they go out and get wasted on the weekends. I also find it sad how (This doesn't just apply to drinking) it takes a great tragedy for people to wake up.

Once again, I'm sure there are fun aspects to drinking, but I also happen to know that under the circumstances there are a whole host more negative aspects to it as well.

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

-Kevin

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

STRAIGHT from Scott Adams' Rules for Debating on the Internet. "Always assume the stupidest possible interpretation" or "Regard statements as absolutes"
Unless you're an idiot, you know that he wasn't saying you were bad for disapproving of the drunk driver. But you chose to respond to his statement as if he had. So I then took your stupid reply and amped it up.
My apologies if you actually are stupid and think that's what he meant. But I doubt it.

 

[kstu]

I find it sad that you have come to the conclusion that college kids are spiraling out of control because you saw some drunk and (possibly) high kids walking around campus. Newsflash: college life is probably about the same as it was 20 years ago and will be 20 years from now. I find it sad that you can't seem to understand that you're not going to see the majority of students who are studying or sleeping when your walking back to your dorm at night. I find it sad that you so easily dismiss and look down upon those who partake in alcohol underage or smoke marijuana based solely on the legality of it all. Do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

 

[Platypus]

Let me translate this thread:

"I judge people who make different life choices than I do and consider myself a better person for being Christian but put a disclaimer in my thread so it's ok to say how I really feel sorry for people who aren't. I also make claims that I know what's best for others' state of mind and stake in life based on their decision to use drugs to escape reality because I have considered every possible option for doing so and concluded that these people are sad. Did I mention that I'm a Christian but that isn't the reason I feel this way yet?"

Practice what you preach Gamingphreek.

Did you report the drunk driver?

 

[MrWizzard]

Originally posted by: kstu
I find it sad that you have come to the conclusion that college kids are spiraling out of control because you saw some drunk and (possibly) high kids walking around campus. Newsflash: college life is probably about the same as it was 20 years ago and will be 20 years from now. I find it sad that you can't seem to understand that you're not going to see the majority of students who are studying or sleeping when your walking back to your dorm at night. I find it sad that you so easily dismiss and look down upon those who partake in alcohol underage or smoke marijuana based solely on the legality of it all. Do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

You really need to not let other peoples opinions make you so sad.

Here have a:beer: and a

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Of course. That's the ONLY possible interpretation of what he said. Let's all get drunk and run over old ladies!

What does that have anything to do with what I said? He said I was judging people, and I replied that everyone in this forum judged the person who killed our fellow member. How is that any different?

STRAIGHT from Scott Adams' Rules for Debating on the Internet. "Always assume the stupidest possible interpretation" or "Regard statements as absolutes"
Unless you're an idiot, you know that he wasn't saying you were bad for disapproving of the drunk driver. But you chose to respond to his statement as if he had. So I then took your stupid reply and amped it up.
My apologies if you actually are stupid and think that's what he meant. But I doubt it.

Instead of insulting me as only someone who can't argue would do- why don't you open up your mind a little bit. What is the difference between judging the drunk driver, and the person who is drinking. Heck, I've screwed up in my life- I'm not perfect, what makes me any worse than these people.

They could just as easily look at me if I were to cuss (I try not to but I'm human I make mistakes) and say "And he calls himself a Christian".

I'm not saying I am any better than them, I'm just saddened by certain choices.

 

[Turin39789]

I'm sure there are fun aspects to Christian Rock/Contemporary music, but I also happen to know that under the circumstances there are a whole host more negative aspects to it as well.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
So, what was the reason for pointing out that some people had "bloodshot eyes"?

Well I may be wrong, but a combination of alcohol and marijuana might do that-- but I'm not sure- certainly just doesn't happen.

-Kevin

It certainly CAN just happen. There are also many, many other causes like allergies, contacts, long hours or computer work/gaming, cigarette smoke...etc.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Female friends.... I'm not dating them. I kind of thought the space between the words would help people distinguish the difference.

probably wouldnt have been any question if you had said female friends instead... mebbe people thought you were a warren jeffs fan



college to me was very diferent, i was 27, married and had 3 kids. not much partying there.

 

[TitanDiddly]

I agree with you. College today is no longer higher education, it's a rite of passage, and not having gone to college is a mark of shame. Now there are a lot of people in college who really shouldn't be.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: kstu
I find it sad that you have come to the conclusion that college kids are spiraling out of control because you saw some drunk and (possibly) high kids walking around campus. Newsflash: college life is probably about the same as it was 20 years ago and will be 20 years from now. I find it sad that you can't seem to understand that you're not going to see the majority of students who are studying or sleeping when your walking back to your dorm at night. I find it sad that you so easily dismiss and look down upon those who partake in alcohol underage or smoke marijuana based solely on the legality of it all. Do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

So this thread is going towards morality now? Its funny, how I just said that it is sad that every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday (And in some cases Sunday) that people destroy their bodies and some destroy (part of) their lives (Whether that is by killing someone, destroying a friendship etc...), and people start bringing up the morality of a situation.

I don't think any less of the person. I would just as readily be their friend as my other friends- but when was the last time you saw someone die or destroy a friendship or something from doing things such as going to a movie, going to a concert etc. I don't ever recall hearing about the MGA or the CA (Movie Goers Anonymous, or the Christians Anonymous). I don't ever remember hearing about someone getting arrested for things such as that either.

"I judge people who make different life choices than I do and consider myself a better person for being Christian but put a disclaimer in my thread so it's ok to say how I really feel sorry for people who aren't. I also make claims that I know what's best for others' state of mind and stake in life based on their decision to use drugs to escape reality because I have considered every possible option for doing so and concluded that these people are sad. Did I mention that I'm a Christian but that isn't the reason I feel this way yet?"

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY RELIGION! You are a lifer here and you still can't seem to read the original post.

Did you report the drunk driver?

Police Officer on segway was on the opposite sidewalk and didn't do anything-- what is me going and finding a police office 5 mins later and saying I saw this person that I thought may be drunk earlier. If I were driving and were following someone I suppose I would consider it.

-Kevin

 

[torpid]

WTF! Your police officers ride on segways? That's pretty cool.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
I'm sure there are fun aspects to Christian Rock/Contemporary music, but I also happen to know that under the circumstances there are a whole host more negative aspects to it as well.

Why do you keep bringing up religion? I said that is where I was before hand, NOTHING ELSE.

Outside of that, when was the last time you heard of someone dying from listening to christian rock, or someone destroying their liver from Christian Rock, or being arrested from Christian Rock. Stop taking the weak straw man argument-- if you are going to debate by all means Ill be happy to debate but treat me as someone who can hold an argument not as a 5 year old.

It certainly CAN just happen. There are also many, many other causes like allergies, contacts, long hours or computer work/gaming, cigarette smoke...etc.

Granted but people who have those causes of the symptoms are generally not falling over and picking fights.

probably wouldnt have been any question if you had said female friends instead... mebbe people thought you were a warren jeffs fan

college to me was very diferent, i was 27, married and had 3 kids. not much partying there.

Yea when I was typing the original post I didn't quite know how to word it lol. I typed it and thought to myself "I can see at least 1 post coming back asking me why I have so many girlfriends"

I agree with you. College today is no longer higher education, it's a rite of passage, and not having gone to college is a mark of shame. Now there are a lot of people in college who really shouldn't be.

I think higher education is there, but for a lot of people it is a distant second to having fun (Whether that be partying, or doing whatever else you consider to be fun-- Just to make this explicit, Yes, I have neglected school work for something, I am no different than anyone other human in that regard).

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: torpid
WTF! Your police officers ride on segways? That's pretty cool.

Yea its pretty cool. I really want to see one just take off on a segway and see how fast they go. There are only a few of them so far though, mostly bikes, on foot, and by vehicle still.

-Kevin

 

[yllus]

You sound superbly boring and in need of some high ground with which to feel better about being as much. This coming from a fellow non-drinker/non-drug user, mind you.

Getting drunk out of your mind every night is dumb, but if there was ever a time and place to occasionally toss out the concept of moderation, university would be it. I'd rather look back and cringe at the stuff that I did, rather than look back and mourn the things I didn't do.

 

[nick1985]

When has ATOT had a thread where Christianity is mentioned and there ISNT a flame fest?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Turin39789
I'm sure there are fun aspects to Christian Rock/Contemporary music, but I also happen to know that under the circumstances there are a whole host more negative aspects to it as well.

Why do you keep bringing up religion? I said that is where I was before hand, NOTHING ELSE.

Outside of that, when was the last time you heard of someone dying from listening to christian rock, or someone destroying their liver from Christian Rock, or being arrested from Christian Rock. Stop taking the weak straw man argument-- if you are going to debate by all means Ill be happy to debate but treat me as someone who can hold an argument not as a 5 year old.

I didn't say a damn thing about your religion. I was talking about your religion's music.

And if you don't think music can kill or destroy organs, you've obviously never been made to listen to Creed.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: kstu
I find it sad that you have come to the conclusion that college kids are spiraling out of control because you saw some drunk and (possibly) high kids walking around campus. Newsflash: college life is probably about the same as it was 20 years ago and will be 20 years from now. I find it sad that you can't seem to understand that you're not going to see the majority of students who are studying or sleeping when your walking back to your dorm at night. I find it sad that you so easily dismiss and look down upon those who partake in alcohol underage or smoke marijuana based solely on the legality of it all. Do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

So this thread is going towards morality now? Its funny, how I just said that it is sad that every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday (And in some cases Sunday) that people destroy their bodies and some destroy (part of) their lives (Whether that is by killing someone, destroying a friendship etc...), and people start bringing up the morality of a situation.

I don't think any less of the person. I would just as readily be their friend as my other friends- but when was the last time you saw someone die or destroy a friendship or something from doing things such as going to a movie, going to a concert etc. I don't ever recall hearing about the MGA or the CA (Movie Goers Anonymous, or the Christians Anonymous). I don't ever remember hearing about someone getting arrested for things such as that either.

"I judge people who make different life choices than I do and consider myself a better person for being Christian but put a disclaimer in my thread so it's ok to say how I really feel sorry for people who aren't. I also make claims that I know what's best for others' state of mind and stake in life based on their decision to use drugs to escape reality because I have considered every possible option for doing so and concluded that these people are sad. Did I mention that I'm a Christian but that isn't the reason I feel this way yet?"

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY RELIGION! You are a lifer here and you still can't seem to read the original post.

Did you report the drunk driver?

Police Officer on segway was on the opposite sidewalk and didn't do anything-- what is me going and finding a police office 5 mins later and saying I saw this person that I thought may be drunk earlier. If I were driving and were following someone I suppose I would consider it.

-Kevin

You can't just claim it has nothing to do with it by having a disclaimer is my point. It's not that hard to comprehend is it?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: nick1985
When has ATOT had a thread where Christianity is mentioned and there ISNT a flame fest?

Yea..I've been here long enough I should have just left it at "I was at a Jam Session". Mentioning that it was Christian just brought out all the religious trolls.

You sound superbly boring and in need of some high ground with which to feel better about being as much. This coming from a fellow non-drinker/non-drug user, mind you.

Getting drunk out of your mind every night is dumb, but if there was ever a time and place to occasionally toss out the concept of moderation, university would be it. I'd rather look back and cringe at the stuff that I did, rather than look back and mourn the things I didn't do.

I said I am saddened by this- how in the world does that make me feel better by providing "high[er] ground"??

Why would I look back and say, "Darn I wish I would have broken the law that night in College" or if they are over 21 and drinking, "Darn I wish I would have gotten so trashed that night where I don't remember anything"

-Kevin

 

[kstu]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: kstu
I find it sad that you have come to the conclusion that college kids are spiraling out of control because you saw some drunk and (possibly) high kids walking around campus. Newsflash: college life is probably about the same as it was 20 years ago and will be 20 years from now. I find it sad that you can't seem to understand that you're not going to see the majority of students who are studying or sleeping when your walking back to your dorm at night. I find it sad that you so easily dismiss and look down upon those who partake in alcohol underage or smoke marijuana based solely on the legality of it all. Do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

So this thread is going towards morality now? Its funny, how I just said that it is sad that every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday (And in some cases Sunday) that people destroy their bodies and some destroy (part of) their lives (Whether that is by killing someone, destroying a friendship etc...), and people start bringing up the morality of a situation.

I don't think any less of the person. I would just as readily be their friend as my other friends- but when was the last time you saw someone die or destroy a friendship or something from doing things such as going to a movie, going to a concert etc. I don't ever recall hearing about the MGA or the CA (Movie Goers Anonymous, or the Christians Anonymous). I don't ever remember hearing about someone getting arrested for things such as that either.

I was not talking about the situation, I was talking about you. You seem to be morally opposed to some things (marijuana and underage drinking) based solely on their legality:

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
However, I do know that breaking the law is wrong (marijuana, all the underage drinking)

So again I ask you, do you leave all your decisions on morality up to the government?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Turin39789
I'm sure there are fun aspects to Christian Rock/Contemporary music, but I also happen to know that under the circumstances there are a whole host more negative aspects to it as well.

Why do you keep bringing up religion? I said that is where I was before hand, NOTHING ELSE.

Outside of that, when was the last time you heard of someone dying from listening to christian rock, or someone destroying their liver from Christian Rock, or being arrested from Christian Rock. Stop taking the weak straw man argument-- if you are going to debate by all means Ill be happy to debate but treat me as someone who can hold an argument not as a 5 year old.

I didn't say a damn thing about your religion. I was talking about your religion's music.

And if you don't think music can kill or destroy organs, you've obviously never been made to listen to Creed.

Haha point well taken (the part about Creed)! Sadly though, I do have an entire CD of theirs...not quite sure why.

You can't just claim it has nothing to do with it by having a disclaimer is my point. It's not that hard to comprehend is it?

If I had just left out "Christian Jame Session" what would your argument be. Put your ego aside and look past the fact that I mentioned the Jam Session I was at was Christian oriented.

Also for your information, I am well aware that the world is not divided up into Christians and Bad People. Everyone makes bad decisions, Christians included. So your point is just an attempt to bash my religion.

-Kevin

 

[Kev]

GREAT STORY A++++++++++++ WOULD READ AGAIN!!