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I'd like to go see kerry, but it seems he sent his lackey here the other day. His campaign claimed it was to rest his voice since he has a cold - but what they forgot to tell Iowans(or hoped we wouldn't see) is that he spoke in Ohio and then in Pennsylvania that day.

Hmm.....

Anyway, It's great to see others getting a chance to see/meet the Presidential candidates. It's great to meet them in person. I expect to see the Bush and Cheneys in my area again before the election. It's been a great experience all 4 times I've attended/worked the events. It was even fun/interesting to meet howie dean when he made a stop here in Ankeny during the primaries.

Good for you :beer:

CsG
 
Originally posted by: Carbo
Gee, I bet you have never actually heard Kerry speak in person, have you?
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No, I haven't heard Heinz speak in person. Is it different than watching him on the tube? Or listening on the radio? I mean, does his message change? Is he actually formulating a position in person? Is the media altering his message? Is Dan Rather switching tapes again?
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Well, if you never tried the difference between listening to a person live instead of TV, then you don't really know what you're talking about. Because there's a huge difference, maybe you should try it once.
 
[qIf you ever have a chance to see a Presidential Candidate speak, go. I'm an independent voting for Kerry, but even my republican friend was quite impressed with it.

Cross party lines and see candidates!

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Excellent advice, but I don't think you can do so with Bush or Cheney because of their loyalty oath requirement. They will only speak to the faithful and use TV soundbits to attempt to persuade the masses.
 
Originally posted by: Thump553
[qIf you ever have a chance to see a Presidential Candidate speak, go. I'm an independent voting for Kerry, but even my republican friend was quite impressed with it.

Cross party lines and see candidates!
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Excellent advice, but I don't think you can do so with Bush or Cheney because of their loyalty oath requirement. They will only speak to the faithful and use TV soundbits to attempt to persuade the masses.[/quote]

Dude, shut up and stop being a douche. The OP shared an interesting experience and offered some good advice. Regardless of who the candidate is, you're probably going to get some unpleasantness if you go to an opposing candidate's rally with the intent of heckling and trying to draw attention to yourself (just like the guy who staged his daughter's Bush sign being torn up at the union rally). Is it that much to ask for anyone to just try to put aside personal animosity and respectfully listen to ideas from contrasting points of view. Yes, the nature of politics causes much of the speeches out there to be dumbed down and laced with emotional appeals, but it's still worth hearing what these figures think, how they act, and what kind of message they are conveying.
 
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Carbo
Gee, I bet you have never actually heard Kerry speak in person, have you?
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No, I haven't heard Heinz speak in person. Is it different than watching him on the tube? Or listening on the radio? I mean, does his message change? Is he actually formulating a position in person? Is the media altering his message? Is Dan Rather switching tapes again?
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Well, if you never tried the difference between listening to a person live instead of TV, then you don't really know what you're talking about. Because there's a huge difference, maybe you should try it once.
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If you find a "huge difference" listening to someone speak in person, versus hearing the same message on videotape, that tells me your response is an emotional one, rather than intellectual. Which is exactly what all the pitchmen aim for at their various seminars. Politicians are no different. They're hoping to push your buttons and stike an emotional response. Particularly so when speaking to a predominantly female audience. So, if you're a woman I can understand your gushing girl mentality. If you're not, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 
If you find a "huge difference" listening to someone speak in person, versus hearing the same message on videotape, that tells me your response is an emotional one...
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Heyyyyyy, you're catching on now!!!
I take it you've never been to a play or a live concert either. Yeah, they're playing on your intellect at those too. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Carbo
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Carbo
Gee, I bet you have never actually heard Kerry speak in person, have you?
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No, I haven't heard Heinz speak in person. Is it different than watching him on the tube? Or listening on the radio? I mean, does his message change? Is he actually formulating a position in person? Is the media altering his message? Is Dan Rather switching tapes again?
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Well, if you never tried the difference between listening to a person live instead of TV, then you don't really know what you're talking about. Because there's a huge difference, maybe you should try it once.
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If you find a "huge difference" listening to someone speak in person, versus hearing the same message on videotape, that tells me your response is an emotional one, rather than intellectual. Which is exactly what all the pitchmen aim for at their various seminars. Politicians are no different. They're hoping to push your buttons and stike an emotional response. Particularly so when speaking to a predominantly female audience. So, if you're a woman I can understand your gushing girl mentality. If you're not, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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True, but as far as I could read it was stated that "it was quite an experience, and hearing a speaker live if he's good is far more inspiring than watching him/her on TV or radio. Even though it doesn't change what's said. But much depends on how things are said compared to what is said, Gore had problems with that. I agree that what is said is the important, and it would be nice if it was the only thing that mattered. But if it was, there would be no reason for speaking in public, you could just hand out the speak for people to read it themself. Public speaking is about beeing good to win people to your side, and it also inspires people and I don't think it's something that should be neglected. It's not logical, but feelings does play a role on how we act.
 
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Kerry was at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia today, it was pretty cool. I've never seen politicians speak before, so it was quite an experience. I was hoping Bush would make an appearance here too, but he was in a suburb of the city a few days ago.

How many of you guys have seen Kerry/Bush/Nader whoever, and what did you think of them?

He struck me as being a little awkward, but he definitely spoke with passion and intellect. I felt like he meant what he said, and though I had heard most of what he was talking about before, it was still incredible. Very patriotic.

If you ever have a chance to see a Presidential Candidate speak, go. I'm an independent voting for Kerry, but even my republican friend was quite impressed with it.

Cross party lines and see candidates!
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Glad it was good experience for you however one correction:

"I felt like he meant what he said"

All Politicians Lie, it's just a matter of how big the Lies are and how often which of course the Dub has broken all known records since the inception of the U.S.
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
If you find a "huge difference" listening to someone speak in person, versus hearing the same message on videotape, that tells me your response is an emotional one...
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Heyyyyyy, you're catching on now!!!
I take it you've never been to a play or a live concert either. Yeah, they're playing on your intellect at those too. :roll:
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WTF?? Your replies are so inane and moronic they defy a logical reply. Go watch MTV.
biostud, what you said makes sense, and is probably more accurate than I care to admit. People make major decisions based on emotion. So, the end result is often "surface over substance".

 
OK, I'll ignore the childish personal attacks and make another attempt to break through.
Apparently you are arguing that seeing something on TV or hearing it on the radio has the same impact as experiencing it live?
Why would anyone bother going to concerts or plays or live speeches?
 
Originally posted by: Carbo
They're hoping to push your buttons and stike an emotional response. Particularly so when speaking to a predominantly female audience. So, if you're a woman I can understand your gushing girl mentality. If you're not, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Can we please take a look at some sanctions for this idiot? This would be an astoundingly stupid comment for a newbie, but this guy has been here for four years.

WTF?? Your replies are so inane and moronic they defy a logical reply. Go watch MTV.
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You mean, as compared to your sentiment, which I quoted above? Physician, heal thyself!
 
I've met and spoken to Bill Clinton personally earlier this year. Very good speaker, intelligent, and interesting. I've heard Kerry and Bush speak in person before as well. Kerry is a complete tool. Bush is average.
 
Vito, you're an idiot. 10,000 posts and nothing said to date. Go attend the latest, trendy cause and convince yourself you're more evolved than the rest of us and that we all have something to learn from you. Sheesh! What a blowhard!
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Is this carbo guy for real? It's amazing how many looney right wingers we just have to simply ignore to get them to stop trolling.
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It really is pretty startling. I am honestly scratching my head that such a senior member could spout this kind of laughably stupid nonsense.
 
Back on topic: I saw Clinton speak in '96 and got the opportunity to shake his hand. Very powerful and intelligent. OTOH, GW gets that "deer in the headlights" look when he speaks that bothers me greatly (IMO, only a person with weak character would have those kind of eyes). I missed seeing Kerry speak when he was in town last month, but from what I have seen of him on TV he seems a bit of a boor.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Is this carbo guy for real? It's amazing how many looney right wingers we just have to simply ignore to get them to stop trolling.
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It really is pretty startling. I am honestly scratching my head that such a senior member could spout this kind of laughably stupid nonsense.
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dnmcowen, anyone?
 
OTOH, GW gets that "deer in the headlights" look when he speaks that bothers me greatly (IMO, only a person with weak character would have those kind of eyes).
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Interestingly, a recent Psychology Today article I read provided some observations about who would be elected based on birth order and physical characteristics. They gave Bush points for his "small eyes" which indicate power? Yeah, I was shocked too. They claim Bush will win the Presidency based on birth order (he is the oldest sibling, Kerry is not) and physical characteristics.
 
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