Just saw Bowling for Columbine

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Lynx516

Originally posted by: Balt
You Brits are an interesting breed. You have hundreds of thousands march in London because the Labour Party wants to ban fox hunting, but you don't care about gun rights.

I spent four months over there last year and I think the conclusion I came to is that Brits and Americans really don't have anything in common.

We do care about gun rights. Our thoughts are "Their only real use for the mass populous is killing people thus they are bad. Farmers should have them to protect their livestock but the mass population should not"

Exactly.

I know this is major flame-bait, but I don't care. There is no need for a civillian to own a handgun.

LOL, Canadiens... you guys only have to worry about moose breaking into your house. Come to my neighborhood where the sirens wail ATLEAST 2 times a night. You do not even have a stance in the arguement.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Lynx516

Originally posted by: Balt
You Brits are an interesting breed. You have hundreds of thousands march in London because the Labour Party wants to ban fox hunting, but you don't care about gun rights.

I spent four months over there last year and I think the conclusion I came to is that Brits and Americans really don't have anything in common.

We do care about gun rights. Our thoughts are "Their only real use for the mass populous is killing people thus they are bad. Farmers should have them to protect their livestock but the mass population should not"

Hope you don't believe that propaganda too.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

banning guns in the US would only take guns away from the innocent.. imho

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Lynx516

Originally posted by: Balt
You Brits are an interesting breed. You have hundreds of thousands march in London because the Labour Party wants to ban fox hunting, but you don't care about gun rights.

I spent four months over there last year and I think the conclusion I came to is that Brits and Americans really don't have anything in common.

We do care about gun rights. Our thoughts are "Their only real use for the mass populous is killing people thus they are bad. Farmers should have them to protect their livestock but the mass population should not"

Exactly.

I know this is major flame-bait, but I don't care. There is no need for a civillian to own a handgun.

Please read through the entire PDF.

 

[brigden]

Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

 

[JMaster]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
banning guns in the US would only take guns away from the innocent.. imho

definitely correct. In an ideal society, no civilians would own guns, but once you start gun control laws, you're taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and now only criminals with illegally bought guns have them.

 

[tcsenter]

Miltary personnel and law enforcement agents need to carry handguns.

Ok, you're confusing me. First you say that people don't need guns to protect themselves. Then you say that police officers need guns to protect themselves. So that's a little confusing to me.

Are police officers not people? Please help clarify this for me.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Miltary personnel and law enforcement agents need to carry handguns.

Ok, you're confusing me. First you say that people don't need guns to protect themselves. Then you say that police officers need guns to protect themselves. So that's a little confusing to me.

Are police officers not people? Please help clarify this for me.

Police officers use guns as a tool to stop criminals, as well as for protection. They are trained professionally to use these weapons effectively. You are a civillian and you do not face the same circumstances a police officer would face. If you feel you need to protect yourself from other threatening individuals you have many options at your disposal. Why choose handguns?

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

He's supposed to call the cops and wait for them to show up while he's getting robbed blind or beat to death. How could you not know that?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because guns are meant to kill people.

You'll never be able to use logic or stats on gun-control people. To them it is the GUN that is evil and NOT the person.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Miltary personnel and law enforcement agents need to carry handguns.

Ok, you're confusing me. First you say that people don't need guns to protect themselves. Then you say that police officers need guns to protect themselves. So that's a little confusing to me.

Are police officers not people? Please help clarify this for me.

Police officers use guns as a tool to stop criminals, as well as for protection. They are trained professionally to use these weapons effectively. You are a civillian and you do not face the same circumstances a police officer would face. If you feel you need to protect yourself from other threatening individuals you have many options at your disposal. Why choose handguns?

What options does he have? And secondly, I would rather be shot with a hangun at close range than a shotgun.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because it's not up to John Q. Public to decide who lives or dies. If he is placed in a life-threatening situation there are other tools one can use. If you spend the energy to learn how to properly fire a weapon then surely you can learn other self-defense techniques.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because guns are meant to kill people.

You'll never be able to use logic or stats on gun-control people. To them it is the GUN that is evil and NOT the person.

I don't think guns are evil, I think American society is.

 

[Murphyrulez]

Originally posted by: Lynx516
It was on in the UK for the first time. Shows a very scary view of some of the culture on the other side of the pond.
What are people's views on gun control.

PS I know this is a flame magnet so lets keep the discussion rational.

I shall start off by stating that in the UK we had on shooting in a school and guns where banned noone realy complained. In the US ou have multiple shootings in school yet no one seems to bat an eyelid. This seen from the other side of the pond seems very strange.

I just watched Godzilla. OMG I can't believe they have giant lizards running around Tokyo killing people! WTF!!


That's about the same thing you just posted...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because it's not up to John Q. Public to decide who lives or dies. If he is placed in a life-threatening situation there are other tools one can use. If you spend the energy to learn how to properly fire a weapon then surely you can learn other self-defense techniques.

So now you are saying everyone should pump iron, be in the best shape of their life, and defend themself versus a criminal with a gun. Is crack abuse that prevalent in Canada?

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Miltary personnel and law enforcement agents need to carry handguns.

Ok, you're confusing me. First you say that people don't need guns to protect themselves. Then you say that police officers need guns to protect themselves. So that's a little confusing to me.

Are police officers not people? Please help clarify this for me.

Police officers use guns as a tool to stop criminals, as well as for protection. They are trained professionally to use these weapons effectively. You are a civillian and you do not face the same circumstances a police officer would face. If you feel you need to protect yourself from other threatening individuals you have many options at your disposal. Why choose handguns?

A guy high on PCP charges at you with a knife, claiming you were cheating on his girlfriend and owe him money. Do you...
A. Call 911, wait 6 minutes for the cops while this guy charges at you (not like he's running at you from a mile away)
B. Try to knife fight or fist fight vs a guy with a knife who feels no pain (on PCP)
C. Pull out your lawfully-carried Glock 23 and incapacitate the bad guy while saving your own life and possibly others.
EDIT: You are a 140 pound 5' 8" male, the guy on PCP is 6' 6" and is ripped.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because it's not up to John Q. Public to decide who lives or dies. If he is placed in a life-threatening situation there are other tools one can use. If you spend the energy to learn how to properly fire a weapon then surely you can learn other self-defense techniques.

It's up to John Q. Public to decide whether he lives or dies isn't it? If a gun can be used to immobilize, NOT KILL, an attacker that could kill him what is wrong with that?

 

[PunDogg]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Michael Moore is an asshat. Don't believe anything you saw on that.

Micheal Moores is one of the few people who actualyl opens peoples eyes to how america is. He should be praised for opening some of our eyes. I for one will not sit and let Pres. Bush and his followers ruin this great country without even giving a fight. Everyone is affected by bush and his devil friend ashcroft. I mean everyone likes rights, right, thats what you moved here, or you stil live here. but ashcroft is slowly but surely taking them away. Open your eyes people, maybe even learn more about who runs this country.

Dogg

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Lynx516

Originally posted by: Balt
You Brits are an interesting breed. You have hundreds of thousands march in London because the Labour Party wants to ban fox hunting, but you don't care about gun rights.

I spent four months over there last year and I think the conclusion I came to is that Brits and Americans really don't have anything in common.

We do care about gun rights. Our thoughts are "Their only real use for the mass populous is killing people thus they are bad. Farmers should have them to protect their livestock but the mass population should not"

Exactly.

I know this is major flame-bait, but I don't care. There is no need for a civillian to own a handgun.

Ok, think this through...


If guns were made illegal to own, only Criminals would have guns. Explain to me how taking guns out of civilians hands, and leaving them in criminals helps any....

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because it's not up to John Q. Public to decide who lives or dies. If he is placed in a life-threatening situation there are other tools one can use. If you spend the energy to learn how to properly fire a weapon then surely you can learn other self-defense techniques.

So now you are saying everyone should pump iron, be in the best shape of their life, and defend themself versus a criminal with a gun. Is crack abuse that prevalent in Canada?

No, I'm saying we should all stuff ourselves fat with excess amounts of food, blame the corporations who manufacture said food for our disgusting health, arm ourselves with tools designed exclusively to kill people because nothing else can protect us, and hide behind irrelevent legislature written by hundreds of years ago by men who lived in a completely different world.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: brigden
Don't oversimplify what I'm saying.

Don't want dangerous people in your house? Prevent them from gaining entry. There are ways and means.
Need to protect yourself? There are alternatives.

How can you equate the need of miltary personnel and law enforcement agents to carry weapons to that of a civillian?

How? By nailing the doors shut and barricading yourself in?
Law Enforcement officers enforce the law. They carry pistols because they can end up in a dangerous situation. What if John Q. Public ends up in a dangerous situation? Why can't he have a pistol?

Because it's not up to John Q. Public to decide who lives or dies. If he is placed in a life-threatening situation there are other tools one can use. If you spend the energy to learn how to properly fire a weapon then surely you can learn other self-defense techniques.

So now you are saying everyone should pump iron, be in the best shape of their life, and defend themself versus a criminal with a gun. Is crack abuse that prevalent in Canada?

No, I'm saying we should all stuff ourselves fat with excess amounts of food, blame the corporations who manufacture said food for our disgusting health, arm ourselves with tools designed exclusively to kill people because nothing else can protect us, and hide behind irrelevent legislature written by hundreds of years ago by men who lived in a completely different world.

Answer my "A, B, C" questionaire above, please.
Not everyone is blessed with muscles and years of martial arts training.

 

[LAUST]

Nope

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: PunDogg

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Michael Moore is an asshat. Don't believe anything you saw on that.

Micheal Moores is one of the few people who actualyl opens peoples eyes to how america is. He should be praised for opening some of our eyes. I for one will not sit and let Pres. Bush and his followers ruin this great country without even giving a fight. Everyone is affected by bush and his devil friend ashcroft. I mean everyone likes rights, right, thats what you moved here, or you stil live here. but ashcroft is slowly but surely taking them away. Open your eyes people, maybe even learn more about who runs this country.

Dogg

Other than the massive strawman you created, did you have a slightly logical point? Most people don't like Ashcroft either, but that certainly has nothing to do with gun control or Moore's Movie.

 

[XZeroII]

This thread should be locked and the original poster banned and horsewhipped.