just got the worst call...UPDATED

[niwi7]

it bewilders me why keystroker has not responded to this topic to say thanks to every1 for their support....

db

 

[SNiPeRX]

Well refering back to what I said before. Some of you have good points. I might have been alittle harsh on what I said earlier... But I have lost friends to this war already. One good friend of mine who i recieved a letter from. All he could ask me is how the American people could be against the war. He felt hurt. Sure everyone supports the troops and blah blah blah. But his problem was when he would meet little kids, or Iraqi families, and could tell the pain they have been through while living in a land ruled by a ruthless dictator. This was his motivation to fight and continue to fight. Again I am truely sorry for my words I said early but thats the way I feel. I might have put some stereo types or let my emotions take control and that was wrong. But, we do have a place in society. Could you imagine in the US; armed inviduals in the back on trucks, death squads, martial law... This is what Iraq citizens have lived with for a very long time. The entire problem with the UN is its purpose is to is to keep dictators in power. Understand what im saying here... UN stems from conflicts between nations not problems within the borders of a nation. If sadaam did step outside of his own country and did the same thing to others, that he is doing in his country, the entire world would be for war. But lets face it, if its not bothering you and your way of life then why bother. But thats the wrong attitude we should help those who cannot help themselves. 8,000 people were killed in Rwanda that is just one reason why we have to help countries that cant help themselves. I do wish the UN could have stepped in from the beginning and no one ever died but it didnt happen that way. Genocide, slavery, and ethnic cleansing, all its not that bad its not happening to us. BULL, we should step in to help these people. That is Why I Support This WAR! And for those who dislike bush, and are against the war for that very reason, think about what you are saying. I dont think we should be in war because Bush has horrible policies or Iraq never did anything to us, or Iraq didnt attack anyone. Please just because he didnt attack us or other countries outside his own doenst mean he shouldnt be removed from power. We stepped up at a crucial spot, when the iraqi people needed us, and UN didnt want to help. I just wish the war would end, sadaam be removed to power, and all of our troops return home. Just think about the human rights aspect of this war, and deep down inside u might find that reason, like I have to support the war and continue to support this war. Thank you for you time, and i repeat Sorry, about my stereotypes and emotions.

 

[tyler811]

Ahhh edit then Good Luck sir and Thank You

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: dscline
WOW! Free airfare! ;-)

asswipe

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: niwi7
it bewilders me why keystroker has not responded to this topic to say thanks to every1 for their support....

db

He said he leaves Friday, today is Wed> Hmmmmmm maybe packing and saying his goodbyes

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: hollowman
Wrong forum. gl though.

Wrong forum ?????? Its off topic you nitwit, Good Luck sir and Thank You

It was originally posted in Hot Deals and moved by mods

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: hollowman
Wrong forum. gl though.

Wrong forum ?????? Its off topic you nitwit, Good Luck sir and Thank You

It was originally posted in Hot Deals and moved by mods

Thank you I have corrected my mistake, issue an apology to all and will take my own life by watching reruns of the ROSIE O' DONNEL SHOW

 

[dscline]

Originally posted by: SNiPeRX
We stepped up at a crucial spot, when the iraqi people needed us, and UN didnt want to help.

Thanks for the subdued tone. I agree with your points on Sadam, and personally, I think the removal of that regime was a good thing. But I'm not so sure I agree with your above point... that situation in Irag was going on a long time. Personally, I don't think the oppression of the Iraqi people was Bush's motivation at all. In fact, he didn't really try to market it that way until after the war had started, and his "weapons of mass destruction" weren't showing up the way he said they would. If we wanted to free the Iraqi people, we should have done that a long time ago, and we should have done it with UN support. I don't believe that the UN didn't want to help, but Bush wasn't willing to wait for their approval and involvement. They hadn't yet seen enough evidence of Bush's claims, and in hindsight, maybe they were right.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think Bush, or most other politicians for that matter, are primarily motivated by issues of human rights. I don't doubt that it was a factor, but I don't believe that we went to war for the Iraqi people.

 

[dscline]

Originally posted by: tyler811

asswipe

Another insightful reply. Was the wink-smiley completely lost in translation? It was a joke.

I've had a lot of loss in the past couple of years, but regardless of how tragic or important the issues may be to me, the Hot Deals forum isn't the place for me to talk about them. But if I did, I think I'd be lucky to only get a friendly jab to remind me? many are much harsher than I.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dscline

Originally posted by: SNiPeRX
We stepped up at a crucial spot, when the iraqi people needed us, and UN didnt want to help.

Thanks for the subdued tone. I agree with your points on Sadam, and personally, I think the removal of that regime was a good thing. But I'm not so sure I agree with your above point... that situation in Irag was going on a long time. Personally, I don't think the oppression of the Iraqi people was Bush's motivation at all. In fact, he didn't really try to market it that way until after the war had started, and his "weapons of mass destruction" weren't showing up the way he said they would. If we wanted to free the Iraqi people, we should have done that a long time ago, and we should have done it with UN support. I don't believe that the UN didn't want to help, but Bush wasn't willing to wait for their approval and involvement. They hadn't yet seen enough evidence of Bush's claims, and in hindsight, maybe they were right.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think Bush, or most other politicians for that matter, are primarily motivated by issues of human rights. I don't doubt that it was a factor, but I don't believe that we went to war for the Iraqi people.

After seeing them celebrate in the streets after 9/11 their
freedom was the last thing that I was concerned with.

 

[OpTiX]

good luck from a Canadian in the north

 

[Rogue]

Still waiting on my third call. Just got cut loose after two years stateside after 9/11 and as an MP I'm expecting to be overseas sometime this coming year. Why did I choose being an MP? Damnit!

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Keystroker, it's now friday, and I'm sorry I didn't get to this thread before you (probably) left. As a fellow member of the military (marines here) I say stay safe, and cap some terrorists while you're over there.

I'm waiting for the call myself, my reserve unit has been told that we shouldn't be making any long term plans at the moment (the closest they can say to "we're going" without "officially" saying it, just waiting for the orders to come down the pipe)

We'll keep the light on for you waiting for you to get back

 

[hawkeye81x]

Originally posted by: keystroker
iraq here i come............just got a call saying i was chosen to go to iraq out of my unit. I can ship out as early as friday to washington to start training to go there.

Good luck and be safe.
Remember, thumbs up is not always a good gesture.
See you in a year.

 

[Qacer]

Stay safe! May the force be with you.

 

[keystroker]

WOW GUYS thanks for your support. HUGE THREAD. I mean damn! I didn't bother to check back till now. I was freaked out the morning I posted this. I also posted a follow up thread but when I noticed it was in the wrong forum I deleted all the info on it. Anyways my other thread contained information about me being an only child and I was wondering if I was exempted to go to war. I mentioned this to my Sergeant when he called me on the phone and he automatically replied that I probally wouldn't have to go but to get ready anyways.

So I was stressed out all day I had to go to some army bases around here to get my uniforms all up-to-date with my current rank and all that. So later that afternoon I called my Sergeant back up and he told me that they found a replacement for me and I was off the hook for now. This was a relief off my shoulders! It seems they are slowly shipping people off from my unit one by one. I got lucky this time but theres no telling what tomarrow can bring.

Basically these last cuple days I've been livin life to the max. Hanging out with everyone that I love. Doing things that needed to get done. I'm looking into becoming a warrent officer so I can make some real money and go to school to become a leuteniant. I will read everything you guys had to say right now and I just want to thank you guys for all your support!

Here are some answers to your questions

I'm a 12B now 21B combat engineer. It's defiantly a grunt job. We are pretty expendable our jobs are to disable land mines, setup constantine wire, patrol, and help out infantry.

If I were to ship off I would be gone for 18 monthes.

To you people out there that say I'm not all HOAH about being shipped off well I'm sorry. I was hyped to go kill off some terrorists when I was training but I'm not doing anything anymore in the national guard except my one weekend a month BS'ing. So maybe you should join up and do my job? I also realize that we aren't doing anything important in IRAQ except waiting for a government to be established. Its a lost cause in my opinion. But I still need to fulfill my obligation if I do infact need to go.

Oh ya I posted this in hotdeals at first I don't know why maybe because I didn't get a ounce of sleep before that call.

 

[79Blazer]

I feel ashamed.

 

[saechaka]

"But lets face it, if its not bothering you and your way of life then why bother. But thats the wrong attitude we should help those who cannot help themselves. 8,000 people were killed in Rwanda that is just one reason why we have to help countries that cant help themselves. I do wish the UN could have stepped in from the beginning and no one ever died but it didnt happen that way. Genocide, slavery, and ethnic cleansing, all its not that bad its not happening to us. BULL, we should step in to help these people"

I don't think anyone is against the war for those reasons you say. I would say most people who don't support the war hate sadaam as much as those that do support the role. it's when it's a war based on false premises and propaganda building up this noble and i daresay "idealistic, (and it's hard for me to believe thats its not only us tree huggers who are dreamers)" patriotic ideals in most americans who fail to realize we cannot be the world police, and that it's usually in self interest and NOT the interest of those who are hurt or oppressed we decide to use our military muscle. so lets be real we want sadaam out because we hate that guy cause he don't like our country. if your our ally and you kill people we can overlook whatever genocide or complicit behaviors you have in 9/11. Thats the hypocrisy that American has shown in its history and one of the reasons we are disliked by so many other countries. thats the hypocrisy most americans have shown by not caring about genocide and ethnic cleansing until something happens to them ie 9/11. and thats why us tree huggers have been trying to raise awareness about the social injustices and inequalities and doing whatever we can, through protests and rallies and in thought to protest the ills of this world. we are not any less of a citizens then you "patriotic" american who fight for the right of everyperson, who believe all peoples were created equal.

 

[meehawl]

Originally posted by: SNiPeRXwe should help those who cannot help themselves. 8,000 people were killed in Rwanda that is just one reason why we have to help countries that cant help themselves. I do wish the UN could have stepped in from the beginning and no one ever died but it didnt happen that way.

I quite agree with you, Rwanda was a terrible, terrible crime - possibly the greatest act of genocide since the end of World War 2. And while the Euros and the US thought about intervening in earnest, eventually they decided the Balkans (a smaller, less lethal war) was a better bet, strategically. Regarding Rwanda, where several million were murdered, nobody's hands are clean, but some are less clean than others...

Since the Holocaust, the United States has intervened militarily for a panoply of purposes -- securing foreign ports, removing unpalatable dictators, combating evil ideology, protecting American oil interests, etc. -- all of which provoke extreme moral and legal controversy. Yet, despite an impressive postwar surge in moral resolve, the United States has never intervened to stop the one overseas occurrence that all agree is wrong, and that most agree demands forceful measures. Irrespective of the political affiliation of the President at the time, the major genocides of the post-war era -- Cambodia (Carter), northern Iraq (Reagan, Bush), Bosnia (Bush, Clinton) and Rwanda (Clinton) -- have yielded virtually no American action and few stern words. American leaders have not merely refrained from sending GIs to combat genocide; when it came to atrocities in Cambodia, Iraq and Rwanda, the United States also refrained from condemning the crimes or imposing economic sanctions; and, again in Rwanda, the United States refused to authorize the deployment of a multinational U.N. force, and also squabbled over who would foot the bill for American transport vehicles.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/

 

[meehawl]

Originally posted by: ed21xWill you please stop? Don't you realize when it is NOT appropriate to spout your politics in the context of this thread?

Osama bin Laden, two years and three months after the New York and Washington attacks that were part of his jihad against America, appears to be winning ... There is a tendency in the west to play down - or ignore - the extent of Bin Laden's success. The US and UK governments regard mentioning it as disloyal or heretical ... (Bin Laden) can tick off one of the four objectives he set himself, and, arguably, a second. The objectives were: the removal of US soldiers from Saudi soil; the overthrow of the Saudi government; the removal of Jews from Israel; and worldwide confrontation between the west and the Muslim world ... After September 11, the US did exactly what Bin Laden wanted. It pulled almost all its troops out of Saudi Arabia and moved its regional headquarters to Qatar.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: cyberhh
Good Luck. and Thanks.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: meehawl

Originally posted by: sixpackdateAnd for the Bush bashers, I personally may not approve of his every action, but if you were in his place, and had to deal with an appropriate 911 response

"appropriate 911 response"? Dude, most of the hijackers were Saudis and Egyptians, yet Saudi and Egypt are nominal US allies and in fact Egypt receives massive amounts of US military and financial aid ever year (in return for maintaining peace treaty with Israel). I see no US invasion and occupation of these countries to "root out the terrorists". Afghanistan made sense and that was why and is why NATO and the UN have ongoing operations there. Iraq made no sense and that is why most of the US's friends and allies said so.

Why no investigation of Saudi money links to Al Qaida? Why no extradition warrants for known Al Qaida supporters in Saudi? Why in the months before September 11th, 2001 was the FBI and CIA directed to "soft-peddle" on Saudi-sponsored terrorism? Why in the hours after the airplane attacks when *nobody* in the US could fly was the entire Bin Laden clan rushed onto special chartered airplanes and flown back to Saudi?

I heard this on TV: Think about it this way? How would people have reacted if, right after the Oklahoma terrorist bombing, Clinton has ordered that the extended McVeigh family be put onto planes without investigation or interrogation and flown to a safe harbour outside the US?

"appropriate response indeed". Half the US deployable army is uselessly stuck in a hornet's nest in a lousy part of the world in a country WITH NO FORMER LINKS TO AL QAIDA looking like bad guys... which is exactly where Bin Laden and the radical extremists wanted them in the first place. They want the US to look like "Crusaders" so their support grows throughout the Islamic world. The Bushies are blindly following Bin Laden's script and they are too dumb to realise and too proud to back out gracefully.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: meehawl

Originally posted by: sixpackdateAnd for the Bush bashers, I personally may not approve of his every action, but if you were in his place, and had to deal with an appropriate 911 response

"appropriate 911 response"? Dude, most of the hijackers were Saudis and Egyptians, yet Saudi and Egypt are nominal US allies and in fact Egypt receives massive amounts of US military and financial aid ever year (in return for maintaining peace treaty with Israel). I see no US invasion and occupation of these countries to "root out the terrorists". Afghanistan made sense and that was why and is why NATO and the UN have ongoing operations there. Iraq made no sense and that is why most of the US's friends and allies said so.

Why no investigation of Saudi money links to Al Qaida? Why no extradition warrants for known Al Qaida supporters in Saudi? Why in the months before September 11th, 2001 was the FBI and CIA directed to "soft-peddle" on Saudi-sponsored terrorism? Why in the hours after the airplane attacks when *nobody* in the US could fly was the entire Bin Laden clan rushed onto special chartered airplanes and flown back to Saudi?

I heard this on TV: Think about it this way? How would people have reacted if, right after the Oklahoma terrorist bombing, Clinton has ordered that the extended McVeigh family be put onto planes without investigation or interrogation and flown to a safe harbour outside the US?

"appropriate response indeed". Half the US deployable army is uselessly stuck in a hornet's nest in a lousy part of the world in a country WITH NO FORMER LINKS TO AL QAIDA looking like bad guys... which is exactly where Bin Laden and the radical extremists wanted them in the first place. They want the US to look like "Crusaders" so their support grows throughout the Islamic world. The Bushies are blindly following Bin Laden's script and they are too dumb to realise and too proud to back out gracefully.

 

[Pers]

dp

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: RMSistight
Freedom ain't free. Thanks for fighting for us keystroker! We will pray for your safe return.

oh gawd you're stupid

edit: any other cliche bullsh!t you'd like to share with us?