XM has such a MASSIVE backing from GM that for XM to go under, it would have to be losing money so enormously that GM could not stand it.
MIKE
MIKE
.... Here is a quote from someone in the know at Sirius Backstage :
"Currently,
XM is busy perfecting terms to launch XM-3 (replacement) and will have to purchase a new satellite to replace XM-1 and XM-2 within the next 4 years.
While Sirius is perfectly fine financially, and will currently get 15 years out of all 3 satellites. (Late 2015)... And they have virtually no debt, and all 3 satellite are completely paid for.
Satellite costs for Sirius, mean nothing..."
Also, I mounted my 2 new units in my cars last week. One is a Honda Accord, I just set the antenna on the dashboard as far forward as it would go. With my sunroof I couldn't find a good spot to put it on the roof and not have to run the wire through the trunk or something. The other is a Chevy Avalanche, that was easy too. The antenna is magnetic, just stuck it right over the drivers head, ran the wire under the rubber weatherstripping for the door and down about half way. Then turned it into the interior, and tucked it inside the plastic panel of the lower dash, then just threaded it through under the steering wheel to the center console... My Honda didn't have any loose weatherstripping like the Chevy did, that was the main factor in leaving it in the front window.
I am using the FM modulator in both cars, I did a modification to the units so they can broadcast on the 2 lowest channels in the FM band, 87.7 and 87.9, which are both totally free of any stray stations, it works great... Visit the Siriusbackstage Forums, you will learn alot!
Go with XM, better reception, lower monthly service, better programing (although they have some stations that still play commercials). I have both.
Serius has gotten better with their programing and have changed some stuffs around, and got rid of some useless stations, so their programing are a little better, but I'm still waiting on my stand up comedy channel. (150 on XM is fcuking hilarious). Either way, you can't really go wrong.
About the 12 stations thingy, call the customer service, have them reinitiate your service, you'll have to leave your car on and outside for about 15 mins (that's what required, but I've done it in less).
Serius has gotten better with their programing and have changed some stuffs around, and got rid of some useless stations, so their programing are a little better, but I'm still waiting on my stand up comedy channel. (150 on XM is fcuking hilarious). Either way, you can't really go wrong.
About the 12 stations thingy, call the customer service, have them reinitiate your service, you'll have to leave your car on and outside for about 15 mins (that's what required, but I've done it in less).
WTF does the satellite's orbit have to do with streaming video? Absolutely nothing!! You think XM will have better streaming video? Unlike Sirius, they haven't even made plans, let alone conducted a full working test. Right, you seemto know what you're talking about....
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Stolen from BuggyBoyVT over at Sirius Backstage:
Sirius satellite are farther away than geostationary orbit, by quite a bit more.. Their footprints are noticably larger than XM's, but thats mainly because of how they were designed not really the orbit itself. XM had their transmitters more focused on the Con. US, Sirius is a bit larger. Sirius can be picked up in areas that XM can't because their transmitting antennas are configured for a wider area. One reason it's a little larger is because as the satellites move, they need to keep reception to all of its target areas. The result is reception in Alaska, Mexico, and most of Canada is not uncommon. It's an advantage for Sirius because it means that they could offer service in other countries if they received approval. This orbit costed Sirius more money than it did XM because it required the launch of a third satellite, to provide 24/7 coverage in geosyncronous orbit.
Geostationary is 22,300 miles vs Sirius geosyncronous orbit which is about 28,500 miles from Earth.
Sirius's three satellites are in this orbit to have a much higher elevation in the sky, in fact, much higher than geostationary. Sirius's two (of 3) satellites that are broadcasting at any one time are generally 60 to 85 degrees elevation to any area in the country, while XM is anywhere from 25 to 55 degrees. The farther North you are with XM, the lower and the more the likelyhood of signal blockage since they're geostationary satellites.
Geosyncronous orbit is not what it appears to be by a ground track graph that you might see posted around, the satellites dont FLY in a loop, they are actually flying a circle around the Earth. Each satellite flys in a different, spaced apart circle. The satellites need no "boosting" as many believe, they are in an orbit that doesn't require interval maintenance as far as that is concerned. The satellites life is 15 years, maintenance free (as far as physical repairs that is!). Like geostationary, but they're not stationary!
Sirius's orbit is really alot better, because with higher elevation lowers the likelyhood (BY FAR) of a signal blockage. This is the primary reason why Sirius only has 95 repeaters compared to over 1,100 repeaters that XM has.
Sirius satellite are farther away than geostationary orbit, by quite a bit more.. Their footprints are noticably larger than XM's, but thats mainly because of how they were designed not really the orbit itself. XM had their transmitters more focused on the Con. US, Sirius is a bit larger. Sirius can be picked up in areas that XM can't because their transmitting antennas are configured for a wider area. One reason it's a little larger is because as the satellites move, they need to keep reception to all of its target areas. The result is reception in Alaska, Mexico, and most of Canada is not uncommon. It's an advantage for Sirius because it means that they could offer service in other countries if they received approval. This orbit costed Sirius more money than it did XM because it required the launch of a third satellite, to provide 24/7 coverage in geosyncronous orbit.
Geostationary is 22,300 miles vs Sirius geosyncronous orbit which is about 28,500 miles from Earth.
Sirius's three satellites are in this orbit to have a much higher elevation in the sky, in fact, much higher than geostationary. Sirius's two (of 3) satellites that are broadcasting at any one time are generally 60 to 85 degrees elevation to any area in the country, while XM is anywhere from 25 to 55 degrees. The farther North you are with XM, the lower and the more the likelyhood of signal blockage since they're geostationary satellites.
Geosyncronous orbit is not what it appears to be by a ground track graph that you might see posted around, the satellites dont FLY in a loop, they are actually flying a circle around the Earth. Each satellite flys in a different, spaced apart circle. The satellites need no "boosting" as many believe, they are in an orbit that doesn't require interval maintenance as far as that is concerned. The satellites life is 15 years, maintenance free (as far as physical repairs that is!). Like geostationary, but they're not stationary!
Sirius's orbit is really alot better, because with higher elevation lowers the likelyhood (BY FAR) of a signal blockage. This is the primary reason why Sirius only has 95 repeaters compared to over 1,100 repeaters that XM has.
Yeah, launching the capucin monkeys up into geostationary orbit to program the satellites every night is gonna drain their bank accounts quick. Damn them monkeys.
Are you on crack?
Hey Aphex, glad to know you are now a Sirius promoter 
I bought Sirius back in November, when the PNP2 was just coming out. It's a kick ass system, and so far I've driven from Michigan to Boston and back and had no drop outs. That too given that my antenna is located on the read dash and not outside. Sirius hardware is much much better than XM's hands down. you get more features for a cheaper price... features like full artist and song title with stream name, time etc, unlike the limited character that XM has, that makes it truncate some names etc.
Sirius is not going under... they will be bought out by another company before they go under, coz the FCC cannot allow a monopoly in the industry, and there are several large media comanies, just waiting in teh wings to see how satellite radio pans out. It is a new industry and just today, Sirius released a press release that all new Mazda cars will be factory installed with Sirius in 2004. Expect all of the parent companies under Ford to roll out similar announcements one by one. Sirius is the EXCLUSIVE factory installer for BMW, and its currently in their 5 series, and mini lines, and will expand to the rest of the lineup soon enough. Daimler Chrysler is also teh sole backer of Sirius.
The reason that XM's numbers are so high is because of GM... if you check retail sales you'll realize that Sirius and XM are head to head.
Sirius does have a strong future ahead, there is no doubt, especially with the Mazda deal under their belt now. For anyone considering Sirius definitely post a question at the forums above... I'm a regular there too.
Plus, I've been following the stock and news releases like a hawk, since I trade the stock almost daily.
Dog_ON
I bought Sirius back in November, when the PNP2 was just coming out. It's a kick ass system, and so far I've driven from Michigan to Boston and back and had no drop outs. That too given that my antenna is located on the read dash and not outside. Sirius hardware is much much better than XM's hands down. you get more features for a cheaper price... features like full artist and song title with stream name, time etc, unlike the limited character that XM has, that makes it truncate some names etc.
Sirius is not going under... they will be bought out by another company before they go under, coz the FCC cannot allow a monopoly in the industry, and there are several large media comanies, just waiting in teh wings to see how satellite radio pans out. It is a new industry and just today, Sirius released a press release that all new Mazda cars will be factory installed with Sirius in 2004. Expect all of the parent companies under Ford to roll out similar announcements one by one. Sirius is the EXCLUSIVE factory installer for BMW, and its currently in their 5 series, and mini lines, and will expand to the rest of the lineup soon enough. Daimler Chrysler is also teh sole backer of Sirius.
The reason that XM's numbers are so high is because of GM... if you check retail sales you'll realize that Sirius and XM are head to head.
Sirius does have a strong future ahead, there is no doubt, especially with the Mazda deal under their belt now. For anyone considering Sirius definitely post a question at the forums above... I'm a regular there too.
Plus, I've been following the stock and news releases like a hawk, since I trade the stock almost daily.
Dog_ON
Originally posted by: dmurray14
WTF does the satellite's orbit have to do with streaming video? Absolutely nothing!! You think XM will have better streaming video? Unlike Sirius, they haven't even made plans, let alone conducted a full working test. Right, you seemto know what you're talking about....
Just because they have not announced plans, does not mean that plans do not exist. I'm those people that think that sirius will not have to launch new satellites for 15 years are joking themselves. Sirius has serious (pardon the pun) financial trouble right now, and they are going to have to replace their satellites within 5 years, guaranteed. If you don't think that xm will have better streaming video, just wait and see
Believe it or not, I do know what I'm talking about.sirius will not, however 'go under' per se... they will be bought out, which, as far as I'm concerned, is the same thing. my guess is that Verizon will buy sirius soon after the launch of the new sirius satellites and their immediately succeeding bankruptcy filing.
That orbit height and footprint size stuff is crap. Doing research on a sirius fanboy bulletin board is hardly conclusive. Check your sources.
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Hmmmm... That orbit height and footprint stuff is crap... Oooookkk....
They just launch this sh!t into outerspace on a whim without putting any thought into I guess.
Yeah, I'll take your word for it, they have NO idea what they are doing down at mission control....
They just launch this sh!t into outerspace on a whim without putting any thought into I guess.
Yeah, I'll take your word for it, they have NO idea what they are doing down at mission control....
Frankly skarydrunkguy I think you should check your facts again because the street supports everything that Tubstain and aphex have said. Sirius has been adding subscribers at a pretty rapid pace and is in good financial shape. Plus Sirius is the only one of the two services (from what I can tell from XM's website) that offers a lifetime subscription. Sure $500 is not cheap and in a sense it's a bet that they'll still be in business 3 years from now in order to get your money back but I'd say its a good bet. Plus they haven't really seen the impact that the NFL exclusive deal will bring in terms of subscribers. There are a LOT of people that will buy into Sirius for the simple fact that they are the only satellite radio provider where they can get out of market games. If Sirius could get some kind of marketing partnership with DirecTV going (exclusive satellite TV provider for NFL ticket) they could get a big raise in subs in a hurry.
Originally posted by: skarydrunkguy
Originally posted by: dmurray14
WTF does the satellite's orbit have to do with streaming video? Absolutely nothing!! You think XM will have better streaming video? Unlike Sirius, they haven't even made plans, let alone conducted a full working test. Right, you seemto know what you're talking about....
Just because they have not announced plans, does not mean that plans do not exist. I'm those people that think that sirius will not have to launch new satellites for 15 years are joking themselves. Sirius has serious (pardon the pun) financial trouble right now, and they are going to have to replace their satellites within 5 years, guaranteed. If you don't think that xm will have better streaming video, just wait and see
sirius will not, however 'go under' per se... they will be bought out, which, as far as I'm concerned, is the same thing. my guess is that Verizon will buy sirius soon after the launch of the new sirius satellites and their immediately succeeding bankruptcy filing.
That orbit height and footprint size stuff is crap. Doing research on a sirius fanboy bulletin board is hardly conclusive. Check your sources.
edit: spelling
I used to think that Sirius was in a "bad financial shape" until I realized that they are not...sure they diluted their shareholders, but they have no debt. They DO have fully functional satellites and a spare on the ground that have already been paid for. They have already tested the satellite strength in Canada, and there are numerous reports that it reaches quite far in Canada, without repeaters, and that is because of their satellite "figure 8" path. They have tested video and rolled out estimated times by when it WILL be available. It's not a maybe. If you went to CES, you would have seen the video quality.
XM is a great product as well, they have their own differences that make them unique like Nascar and playboy (sex on the radio woot!), and they cater to a different batch of people. There's no need to bash sirius and say it's going down, coz if you did your research, you would realize that it wont.
One doesn't necessarily have to be in said car to listen to satellite radio. What made me chose Sirius over XM was that I could get a live stream through an Internet connection at work. As I type, I am listening to channel 63 without having to use a P&P unit.
Plus you get many portable options like a boom box and a home kit to attach the plug n play to your home receiver.
News released today... they are moving to Canada and already formed a partnership with CBC radio canada Yahoo News
Sirius also has a home unit with optical out that you can connect to your home receiver. Check it out: Kenwood
No, that is not available. Satellite radio content is created and managed by the parent company. Sirius has 61 different music genres, and plays music that caters to each genre on its channels. So if you dont like hip hop, you have the option of never having to hear it again. But it's a channel that is available.
It has NO commericals on the music streams, and is near CD quality sound (think MP3). Sirius also rolling out Dolby pro logic II surround sound on its music streams.
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If i was in the US, i'd be getting myself an XM-PCR for my carputer. As it is, Im nowhere near the US, so no chance in hell of having something so nice. Especially as they're pushing DAB (digital radio) over here in the UK so much...might have to get myself a Psion Wavefinder for my carputer instead!
Confused
Confused
[Sean Connery] Your the man now Dog [/Sean Connery]
Well you blew it.. XM rules...
Well best of luck anyway
/Why the hell am I wishing him luck?
[/Sean Connery]Well you blew it.. XM rules...
Well best of luck anyway
/Why the hell am I wishing him luck?
SP33Demon
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Bah, if I wanted to hear that I'd just hook my iPod in the car, or burn an mp3 CD. Not worth it unless they have live DJ shows such as Cosmic "Strictly Skillz" Kev or DJ Ren on the 1's and 2's from Philly playing that hot sh*T (hiphop). HFS (Wash DC) also plays little known college bands on the weekends which I really enjoy.
I don't think XM or Sirius will be able to fully compete unless they have shows such as aforementioned... unless you live in the boon docks (which is probably 70%of the US that isn't metropolitan) and your radio stations severely suck balls, enough that all of your CD's/mp3's have been played already, then it might be worth it. Hope they have alot of country music stations... lol
Ah, but did you research Sirius or XM to see what content they do play? Sirius has a "Left of center" stream that my alternative underground friend loves. It has a Jam station and other alternative rock streams that cater to college band music as well as live performances from Sirius studios in New York. This is more than radio.... it's entertainment and you will get your money's worth.
If you are into Trance, DJ victor Dinare plays a couple live sets every week in the evening, and they also have a program from GrooveRadio that airs weekly.
The Hip hop streams have their own genres, from backspin spinning the classic hip hop scratch music to more mainstream stuff as well. They feature international hip hop artists too on one of their streams.
Also, you get to discover new artists on the radio, since the DJ's are brand name that you can identify with. They specialize in their own genres and play what they know you want to hear. Sure you can burn your mp3's and listen to that, but it get's old quickly...I know coz I've been there. The sheer variety is what satellite radio is about.
Here's a listing of what they have on their Rock streams and a short description:
Classic Vinyl
Early Classic Rock 14
The top tracks from classic rock's most formative years.
Classic Rewind
Later Classic Rock 15
Classic rock's 2nd generation, with songs from the late '70s onward.
The Vault
Deeper Classic Rock 16
Deeper cuts from classic rock legends.
Jam_On
Jam Bands 17
Improvisational, eclectic rock music from today's best jam bands.
The Spectrum
Adult Album Alternative 18
40 years of world-class rock from adult album alternative artists.
Buzzsaw
Classic Hard Rock 19
Hard, heavy, stadium-shaking classic rock.
Octane
Pure Rock 20
Pure, high-powered hard rock that's loud, uncensored and in your face.
Alt Nation
Alternative Rock 21
The latest alternative rock releases and the best alt-rock of the '90s.
First Wave
Classic Alternative 22
Alternative rock's pioneering artists and sounds.
Hair Nation
80s Classic Rock 23
Vintage rock from the big hair '80s.
SIRIUS Disorder
Eclectic/Free Form 24
Adventurous music for grownups, from a diversity of styles and eras.
Left Of Center
New/College/Indie Rock 26
The best in college, indie, alternative and underground rock.
Hard Attack
Heavy Metal 27
Metal with attitude! Today's heaviest sounds, for true metal heads.
Faction
Hard Rock, Hip-Hop, Punk 28
Rock, punk, hip-hop and more, especially for action sports fans.
SIRIUS Blues
Blues 29
The many shades of authentic blues music, past and present.
Reggae Rhythms
Reggae 30
Reggae music from its '60s roots to today's exciting sounds.
SP33Demon
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Well, the live trance DJ thing does sound cool
And Backspin is a pretty good DJ (hiphop), I might check it out... The alternative station sounds good too, as long as they are playing newer stuff. I guess my main point is that if the stations are playing newer stuff, occasionally have good live dj's/shows (or sets) of new stuff, then it would probably be able to compete with radio. The only thing it wouldn't be able to compete with is the localized music factor... For instance, if you're from the Philly (insert city here) area, a lot of the hiphop stations will predominantly play more new stuff from Philly artists (such as Young Gunz/ State Property) as opposed to the more commercialized music. Hopefully Sirius and/or XM will be able to broadcast city stations someday, although it sounds like they are still worth a try... Thanks for the info.
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