I have a BA in English and I learned programming going to night school at Chubb. I'm a programmer now at the biggest financial services company on the planet and I make double what I made after four years and many promotions at my last job. I did well enough at Chubb that they pretty much hired me as a consultant so they could pimp me out intent-to-hire. My co-workers backgrounds are as varied as recruited straight out of St. John's to a high-school dropout who's been with the company 20+ years. Frankly, I don't know what most of thier credentials are, but most of them probably don't know mine. I can do my job, and that, my friends, is all they care about. Now don't get me wrong, I'd probably be better off if I came out of college with a Computer Science degree 8 years ago, but I didn't and I'm still doing fine.
Luck!
Luck!
Are you threatening me!!! Moderator get this man, before, the criminal in him comes out.
I got one question though, "Do you need to get patted on the back everytime you make that golden crispy fry just right"
Gibson486
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wow, this thread should have died long ago. And that person who said that all technololgical engineers at Intel have a MS or higer is smoking crack. The industry is beginning to catch on that people are getting their masters to just get them (Jusat liek peopel were getting their Bachelors just to get them). Places like Intel don't hand out jobs to people by school name or school credentials. Sure, a Masters at MIT sounds nice, but they give you this test that only the people who actually know their stuff will pass. Northeastern does coop with Intel and the tests they give to the interns are dumbed down, but are amazingly hard.
<---bitter reject of Intel
<---bitter reject of Intel
Originally posted by: datalink7
Ok, now you're just getting silly
Glad someone finally caught on!!!
depends on what you're doing for lockheed.
btw congrats....from what I've heard though about tech schools is that they go more into the practical sides of things but not so much into the theory... my brother was telling me something about that
Mani
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Originally posted by: Gibson486
wow, this thread should have died long ago. And that person who said that all technololgical engineers at Intel have a MS or higer is smoking crack. The industry is beginning to catch on that people are getting their masters to just get them (Jusat liek peopel were getting their Bachelors just to get them). Places like Intel don't hand out jobs to people by school name or school credentials. Sure, a Masters at MIT sounds nice, but they give you this test that only the people who actually know their stuff will pass. Northeastern does coop with Intel and the tests they give to the interns are dumbed down, but are amazingly hard.
<---bitter reject of Intel
I believe he was referring to technologists, in which case he is right. Technologists play a very significant role in the analysis of future technology and definition of product roadmaps. It's a position that usually requires a very strong understanding of theory behind complex technology and you won't find many with lesser degrees than a Master's at well-known technology companies. I am an engineer at a company in the industry and the technologists here mostly have PhDs with the few exceptions having at least a Master's.
That said, I don't entirely agree with that all of that poster's premise and would advise other alternatives than Devry with similar entrance requirements.
I, myself, am an Asian-American student in Physics so I can say these types of things from a first person perspective. Obviously everything that I say is going to have an opinion bias in it. But I have spoken with several international students in the past that have expressed this regret for not having the type of innovation that they see that's characteristic of some domestic students. Conversely, many domestic students wish they could compete better with the coursework that seems to be easier for some international students.
Obviously, there are no hard and fast rules. I personally believe that anyone can do well at both being creative and doing well at bookwork. I don't see that those things must be mutually exclusive. But my original point (to the person which I quoted in my first post) was that you can not say that the American education is a joke to international students (we all know how accurate 60 minutes can be sometimes :roll: ). Quite the contrary in fact.
That is all, you may resume your previous programming.
Unless you go to Harvard, Yale, UPenn, Stanford, MIT, (other Ivy leagues pricks go to less fake Ivys i.e. Cornell, Columbia, etc) it really doesn't matter what college you go to. 30 years from now you'd be in the same place.
I'd have to disagree with that, ofcourse i agree going to devry is a good opportunity for the OP, but you cant be serious if you think going to any top 50/100 school has no advantage at all. Going to a good school has a lot of advantages , besides getting top class education the Alumni connections can be helpful when looking for a job.
I am not putting down the OP for wanting to g ito Devry, but going to a top 50/100 school does have it advantages (ofcourse not as much as going to a IVY)
Let's do some math here.
Take the amount it will cost to attend 4 years of Devry ($80,000? not sure. don't flame me.)
Also, consider during those 4 years you could have been working full time . Say you only made $10/hour which is approximately $20k/year. Meaning during those 4 years you could've made $80k.
So going to Devry and not going but working full time at $10/hour is a difference of approximately $160k. a lot of money you say? Well, if you think your Devry education will outweigh the $160k, than it's worth it. Think about that point.
Another case in point. Everyone's situation is highly unique. AT members who say they have close to no education/degree and making $100k, sure that's great. Same thing happens on the flip side. You also have to consider the times we live in now and the job market has evolved so much. I have worked for a manager who was from Devry. HOWEVER, he has been there for a while. The job market has changed a lot. When you graduate from Devry, you have to keep in mind you're competing against a feirce competitive class of highly educated students from all the IVY leagues, UCs(if you live in cali), private schools, 4 year public schools, etc. etc. You also have to consider protecting yourself from getting your job outsourced to India where they get paid $4k/year upwards of $20k/year if you have 10-15 years experience and are upper management. A lot(25%) of helpdesk/IT support/remote desktop support/telemarketings jobs will be outsourced in the next 2 years. THe next big country to take our jobs will be China.
If I were you in your shoes, I would not go to Devry. As most people will tell you it is work experience that will get you into a better career. I would in this order, go to a jc, transfer to a 4 year public university. During this time, be agressive in finding a job/internship/co-op/something . Joining ROTC is always an option since they will cover vast majority of your school bills. Joining Air Force ROTC will grant you a starting pay job in the los angeles region at approximately 42k give or take 3k. Look into other options. I agree that Devry is in the business of education. They need people to enroll to pay their teachers , administrators, etc. It's all a big business and I hope you understand that. Universities are also a business, but they will most of the time not compromise on grades or selling students to come. You need to talk to recent(after 2001) Devry grads and see where they are in life. That's my $.22 .
Best of luck.
Take the amount it will cost to attend 4 years of Devry ($80,000? not sure. don't flame me.)
Also, consider during those 4 years you could have been working full time . Say you only made $10/hour which is approximately $20k/year. Meaning during those 4 years you could've made $80k.
So going to Devry and not going but working full time at $10/hour is a difference of approximately $160k. a lot of money you say? Well, if you think your Devry education will outweigh the $160k, than it's worth it. Think about that point.
Another case in point. Everyone's situation is highly unique. AT members who say they have close to no education/degree and making $100k, sure that's great. Same thing happens on the flip side. You also have to consider the times we live in now and the job market has evolved so much. I have worked for a manager who was from Devry. HOWEVER, he has been there for a while. The job market has changed a lot. When you graduate from Devry, you have to keep in mind you're competing against a feirce competitive class of highly educated students from all the IVY leagues, UCs(if you live in cali), private schools, 4 year public schools, etc. etc. You also have to consider protecting yourself from getting your job outsourced to India where they get paid $4k/year upwards of $20k/year if you have 10-15 years experience and are upper management. A lot(25%) of helpdesk/IT support/remote desktop support/telemarketings jobs will be outsourced in the next 2 years. THe next big country to take our jobs will be China.
If I were you in your shoes, I would not go to Devry. As most people will tell you it is work experience that will get you into a better career. I would in this order, go to a jc, transfer to a 4 year public university. During this time, be agressive in finding a job/internship/co-op/something . Joining ROTC is always an option since they will cover vast majority of your school bills. Joining Air Force ROTC will grant you a starting pay job in the los angeles region at approximately 42k give or take 3k. Look into other options. I agree that Devry is in the business of education. They need people to enroll to pay their teachers , administrators, etc. It's all a big business and I hope you understand that. Universities are also a business, but they will most of the time not compromise on grades or selling students to come. You need to talk to recent(after 2001) Devry grads and see where they are in life. That's my $.22 .
Best of luck.
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