Just curious.. Did Bush really snort cocaine before?

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Gaard

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...it was hashed out in 2000.

Do you remember what the conclusion was? I wasn't paying attention. Did whoever was asking the questions say "Oh, ok"?
 

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Originally posted by: Gaard
...it was hashed out in 2000.

Do you remember what the conclusion was? I wasn't paying attention. Did whoever was asking the questions say "Oh, ok"?

Do the ~buts ever conceed? What outcome (besides awol) do you think they'll accept? What evidence do they think they need? Pay stubs...check. dental records...check. Honorable discharge...check.

<shrugs>

CkG
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
...it was hashed out in 2000.

Do you remember what the conclusion was? I wasn't paying attention. Did whoever was asking the questions say "Oh, ok"?

Do the ~buts ever conceed? What outcome (besides awol) do you think they'll accept? What evidence do they think they need? Pay stubs...check. dental records...check. Honorable discharge...check.

<shrugs>

CkG

I believe he was asking about the outcome of the cocaine investigations.. but I might be wrong.

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
...it was hashed out in 2000.

Do you remember what the conclusion was? I wasn't paying attention. Did whoever was asking the questions say "Oh, ok"?

Do the ~buts ever conceed? What outcome (besides awol) do you think they'll accept? What evidence do they think they need? Pay stubs...check. dental records...check. Honorable discharge...check.

<shrugs>

CkG

I believe he was asking about the outcome of the cocaine investigations.. but I might be wrong.

nope...and yep.

CkG
 

Gaard

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There must've been a reason that the flap went away, right? Did the Ds just give up after the election?

Must be that they didn't raise as big a stink back then. Seems like a lot more paperwork is suddenly being found this time around, no?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Gaard
There must've been a reason that the flap went away, right? Did the Ds just give up after the election?

Must be that they didn't raise as big a stink back then. Seems like a lot more paperwork is suddenly being found this time around, no?

They are just as wrong today as they were 4 years ago.:) Maybe they figured they could let it drop after the election and bring it up again when re-election season cranked up....oh wait - they aren't THAT calculating are they?(re:Estrada) ;)

Anyway - seems this non-issue has become an overblown non-issue, especially inlight of recent documentation.

CkG
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
There must've been a reason that the flap went away, right? Did the Ds just give up after the election?

Must be that they didn't raise as big a stink back then. Seems like a lot more paperwork is suddenly being found this time around, no?

They are just as wrong today as they were 4 years ago.:) Maybe they figured they could let it drop after the election and bring it up again when re-election season cranked up....oh wait - they aren't THAT calculating are they?(re:Estrada) ;)

Anyway - seems this non-issue has become an overblown non-issue, especially inlight of recent documentation.

CkG

Is that your opinion that they are wrong?

And I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss anything based on these new documentations. See the other thread. ;)

I'm probably missing something, but I can't help but wonder why Bush and Co. is finding all this stuff now (right after Russert's show) and nobody else could find it even after all the digging everyone did. Am I missing something?

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
There must've been a reason that the flap went away, right? Did the Ds just give up after the election?

Must be that they didn't raise as big a stink back then. Seems like a lot more paperwork is suddenly being found this time around, no?

They are just as wrong today as they were 4 years ago.:) Maybe they figured they could let it drop after the election and bring it up again when re-election season cranked up....oh wait - they aren't THAT calculating are they?(re:Estrada) ;)

Anyway - seems this non-issue has become an overblown non-issue, especially inlight of recent documentation.

CkG

Is that your opinion that they are wrong?

And I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss anything based on these new documentations. See the other thread. ;)

I'm probably missing something, but I can't help but wonder why Bush and Co. is finding all this stuff now (right after Russert's show) and nobody else could find it even after all the digging everyone did. Am I missing something?


No, I've read the "evidence" you seem to think "questions" things. The FACTS are that Bush did serve, Bush did get paid, Bush did earn the point necessary, and Bush did recieve an honorable discharge. The rest is rhetoric.

Some ~!s and ~buts will never be satisfied - no matter how many times they demand this or that and it is provided.

CkG
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
wasn't this issue pounded into the ground 4 years ago...can't you losers come up with anything better to talk about...


Take off the partisan blinders.. what if it were true?

Does Rush still think that first time drug offenders should be sent to prison? Why doesn't he volunteer? < to go to prison that is...

Rush typically avoided talking about drugs on his talk show before he got busted
 

Nitemare

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Why should anyone care if someone did drugs in the past?

I could care less if the current president, the former or a future did drugs. As long as it is a part of their past and they don't do it while serving who gives a fvck? These are mere men that we are electing not shining pillars of virtue and rightousness. This is the presidency not the Miss America pageant. As long as they didn't experiment with a hallucinagenic or something that gives flashbacks, they are just as qualified as someone who didn't. Bush is not the first president that did drugs and he won't be the last.

While we are at digging into people's past, let's examine their traffic violations as well, if any of them have speeding tickets, then let's drag that out into the open and make an issue.

Good lord, Marion Barry smoked crack on camera and still got reelected.
 

heartsurgeon

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you know, maybe John Kerry would know! they were in college around the same time and maybe Bush and Kerry used the same drug dealer..ol' Kerry has certainly partied down in college....
 

dpm

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Why should anyone care if someone did drugs in the past? I could care less if the current president, the former or a future did drugs. As long as it is a part of their past and they don't do it while serving who gives a fvck? These are mere men that we are electing not shining pillars of virtue and rightousness. This is the presidency not the Miss America pageant. As long as they didn't experiment with a hallucinagenic or something that gives flashbacks, they are just as qualified as someone who didn't. Bush is not the first president that did drugs and he won't be the last. While we are at digging into people's past, let's examine their traffic violations as well, if any of them have speeding tickets, then let's drag that out into the open and make an issue. Good lord, Marion Barry smoked crack on camera and still got reelected.

I was thinking of posting something like this. But the standard to which we should judge those who wish to lead is is a tricky one to determine. Yes we should accept that people do things in the past that they may not do now, that they may have made mistakes in the past that they regret now, or that they held opinions in the past that they recant now.

I don't think that means that we shouldn't judge them on their past. We should judge them on their past and their present - what parts of their personality they have changed and what has remained constant. Sometimes making a mistake and learning from it can be more laudable than never having made the mistake at all.

So I don't believe that Bush is worthless for having done drugs as a youth. If he really took drugs and alcohol to the extent rumoured, and then went on to clean himself up and carve a political career that went right to the top, then I think that shows that he has learned strength of character over his the spell of his life, amongst other good things. I would me more impressed if he had been honest about this, though, as his evasion was dissapointing.

Also, I weigh this against the harsh policies he has advocated towards drug users - he is proof that someone who was once hooked on drugs can be rehabilitated and go on to be a productive member of society. I think that many of his drug policies would deny other drug users the chance he has had, which is dissapointing.
 

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"According to LAPD whistleblower Michael C. Ruppert, the Drug Enforcement Agency has in its possession a video of George W. Bush and Jeb Bush flying in to Tamiami Airport outside of Miami, Florida "to pick up a couple of kilos of powder for a party." (From the Wilderness Newsletter; $35 / yr; FTW Publications, PO Box 6061-350, Sherman Oaks, CA 91413).

Ruppert heard about it from Terry Reed, author of Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA (1994). "I was with Terry recently at a public speaking engagement where he reminded the audience of a little passage from his book Compromised," writes Ruppert. "In that passage he describes how Barry Seal had told him that he had 'insurance' in the form of proof that the Bush Boys were doing heavy drugs."

According to Reed, "the FBI had inserted a female undercover agent into the inner circle of Medellin Cartel founder Pablo Escobar. Her name was Darlene Novinger and she got very close to an Escobar cousin named Steve Plata."

"Thanks to the 'uc', as undercovers are called, Barry Seal and Terry Reed were sent on a drug sting to meet some wealthy Texans," writes Ruppert. "It turns out that the wealthy Texans were George W. and Jeb Bush who flew in on the family owned King Air to pick up the cocaine themselves. Hidden DEA cameras filmed the whole incident, including the tail number of the aircraft and both Bushes participation. According to Reed, nobody knew in advance who the buyers were. Reed states that he has both the tail number of the aircraft and the DEA case file number and he strongly suspects that tape to turn up during the 2000 presidential election."


Getting the Dope on Bush
Former CIA operative Terry Reed had worked closely with the late Barry Seal, a notorious drug smuggling pilot who also worked for the CIA.

In his excellent book, Compromised, written with veteran journalist John Cumrnings, Reed describes a conversation he had with Seal about his 'insurance" aka blackmail, in case the Bush Family Crime Syndicate would try to double-cross him.

"Ever hear the old expression, it's not what ya know, it's who ya know? Well, whoever said that just hadn't caught the Vice President's [George Bush's] kids in the dope business, 'cause I can tell ya for sure what ya know can definitely be more important than who ya know," bragged Seal to his buddy.

Reed was incredulous. "... Barry, are you telling me George Bush's kids are in the drug business?" he asked.

"Yup,. that's what I'm tellin ya. A guy in Florida who flipped for the DEA has got the goods on the Bush boys. Now I heard this from a reliable source in Colombia, but I just sat on it then, waiting to use it as a trump card if I ever needed it. Well I need to use it now. I got names, dates, places, even got some tape recordings. I even got surveillance. videos catchin' the Bush boys redhanded. I consider this stuff my insurance policy, " said Seal.

"It makes me and the mole on the inside that's feeding the stuff to me invincible. Now this is real sensitive shtt inside of U.S. Customs and DEA and those guys are pretty much under control. It's damage control as usual. But where it gets real interestin' is what the Republicans will do to the Democrats in order to ditty up the people who might use this information against Bush."

Hinting at a high-level Mob War between.the Bush Family and the Clinton Family, Seal told Reed that "he was on a secret mission by none other than the Agency [CIA] to sort of dirty up some people real close to the Governor [Clinton]."

"Now I had been working on this through Dan Lasater," continued Seal. "Now Dan's a good ol boy and all that, but he's gotta drug problem and he's got the balls to be stealin' from the Agency too."

Balls? Imagine stealing cocaine drug profits from the CIA.

When Reed questioned him about the duffel bag Seal had taken to Skeeter Ward, Seal said, "Let's don't call it cocaine. Let's call it neutralizing powder. Least that's the way the Bush family saw it. This is just one family warrin' against another. just like the Mob."

Reed claims he found these revelations "disquieting." Seal tried to reassure him by saying, "Terry I told ya when I met ya. I'm in transportation and I transport what the government wants.transported. In this case, the Republicans ... the Bush family... wanted some stuff transported into Mena and into Arkansas that would end up in the noses of some very prominent Democrats."

Seal was later assassinated."



Bush - Cocaine Cowboy
 

Mill

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I do hope you realize that "cocaine cowboy" link is from a guy that publishes nothing but Illuminati and Conspiracy articles right? If corruption was so prevalent and everyone as thick as thieves then surely they would have someone to take a simple website down that is on a public university's server. Or maybe they know that we would think that way, and that's why they haven't had it taken down. WOO WOO... I'm now convinced. :D
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Nope - I'm not curious because it was hashed out in 2000.

Wrong drug. You should have said "I'm not curious because it was snorted out in 2000."

Zephyr

 

maluckey

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I find it very odd that persons who have had substance abuse problems in their past, even though rehabilitated, are judged because of it. I always felt it to be a sign of strength that thy beat it (if they truly did). The Bush cocaine rumors are just that, rumors. There are also tons of rumors about former president Clinton, and his marijuana, and coke habits. It doesn't really matter what happened in the past, just that they don't do it now, and haven't done it in a couple of years.

The important thing is that a rehabilitated person has learned not to use these substances they once abused. They are stronger than before, and have insight into the process of addiction/abuse that others may not.


Get over yourselves people. Kerry, Clinton, Bush and lots of other politicians are human, and likely enjoyed their college years far too much. None of you on the forum have ever used Marijuana, or drank enough alcohol to puke? I have read enough of this forum to know that to be overwhelmingly not the case. So that must mean, by your own standards, that you all are flawed, and the statements you make are either lies, or without merit? B.S..................

Wake up and smell the coffee. Judge by their present actions, compared to their past. If they have changed.......... let it go.
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: leeboy
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
wasn't this issue pounded into the ground 4 years ago...can't you losers come up with anything better to talk about...

Between this and the Reserves issue....I think you know the answer.

CkG

I on the other hand could care less what he did back then. I think many of us have at least tried coke, pot, whatever. I think most of Americans, as you are going to come to find in November, thinks this guy is an a$$hole NOW. We can judge him based solely on the last 4 years thanks very much and using that as a litmus test, he fails miserably.
The issue isn't his "youthful" indiscretion
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, it's his hypocrisy about it. It's the same issue with Limbaugh.

So that's why the ~!s and the ~buts are wetting their pants over these two issues? OK
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CkG

And you are the ~so's bfd. Bush could come to your house tomorrow and $h!t in your mouth while you are asleep and you would still vote for him in November. ~so. The ~so's could care less about anyone who isn't white and rich. The ~so's could care less if 10,000 young men and women are killed in Iraq, because the ends justifies the means so long as it is not your kid. ~so The ~so's wouldn't care if 25 million are out work as long as they had a job to go to. ~so The party of excuses and selfishness.

That is all we ever hear out of you.