Once again, see my post and it tells you about the situation. For someone who has such a strong view on politics and the law, it's remarkable that you only feel so strong when it's in your favor.
Once again, see my post and it tells you about the situation. For someone who has such a strong view on politics and the law, it's remarkable that you only feel so strong when it's in your favor.
Let me be the first one to tell you that nobody, not even MM, is "pushing" anything on me. I form my own opinions based on what I discover about any given situation. MM does a handy job of aggregating much of what the media is not focusing on. Try gathering facts on my own? Cmon! I've been doing that for the last 3+ years...how can an intelligent person not analyze what the media is throwing at them. If you yourself have been following along for the past 44 months or so you too would by now be asking some serious questions too...or haven't you collected enough fact yet? I don't give a rip if you are for the war or not, it makes no difference to me. The only thing that pains me is which side you >>choose<< to listen too....the side doing all the fancy dancing or the one that during this 15 minutes appears to have more merit in the MM camp...
In my favor! OMG cmon cmon CMON! How about me and you get together in Cincinati and have a rally promoting fertilizer next time some Ahole uses 40 tons of it to blow up a Bengals game...appropriate? Cmon!?!? I strongly believe fertilizer is good! When the city council calls us asking to cancel we'll say something like "I've been planning this for a year!" "We can't cancel now!" "Over my cold dead body"
Jeeziz!
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Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
I'm not pro-Bush and I have always been against the "war" in Iraq, but it is already been proven time and again that Moore's only really skill is exaggerating the truth into something that more closely meets his agenda.
If anything, the fact that the Left allies itself with such a known and distasteful liar makes me think about changing my vote from Kerry to Bush. I'll likely stick to the A.B.B. theme, but IMO Moore does the left no favors with his slanted and (dare I say) hateful propaganda.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
I'm not pro-Bush and I have always been against the "war" in Iraq, but it is already been proven time and again that Moore's only really skill is exaggerating the truth into something that more closely meets his agenda.
If anything, the fact that the Left allies itself with such a known and distasteful liar makes me think about changing my vote from Kerry to Bush. I'll likely stick to the A.B.B. theme, but IMO Moore does the left no favors with his slanted and (dare I say) hateful propaganda.
lol, bush could shoot someone in the face on live tv and then laugh about it and I still would not vote for that arrogant SOB kerry, he has his head so far up Teddy K's arse it isn't even funny.
The left does not all ally themselves with Moore. Even Al Franken himself criticizes Moore for his manipulation. Do not be so ignorant to believe that all liberals/democrats support Moore, as there is plenty of distase from him from both sides.
Considering your other posts in this thread I'm probably wasting my time but oh well.
1. By *LAW* the NRA has to hold an annual membership meeting. It just so happend that the shootings in CO happend shortly before the membership meeting was scheduled to take place in Denver. Now, if for some reason the meeting has to be cancelled you have to give two weeks (14 days/10 business days) notice to all memembers. The shootings happend 11 days before the meeting. Heston cancelled all the venders, exhibits, and other events that usually take place at these gatherings. The only thing that took place was the membership meeting which, by LAW they had to have.
2. The story beind the "rally" in MI is even more amusing. Heston was not in MI for an NRA rally that took place shortly after the shooting, but he was in MI for a "Get Out the Vote" rally that took place *8 MONTHS* after the shooting.
So, please flame me for presenting the facts, the other side of the story, and for not taking Moore's opinion as fact.
Lethal
He lost the credibility of being a documentary film maker. Sure before Bowling he wasnt all that highly thought of, but he lost whatever credibility he had. He does NOT make documentaries.
Please do not try to talk sense into MisterMe, considering he reminds me of a 15 year old angst-ridden "punk" rocker. He asks a question, but really doesn't want to hear the answer.
Originally posted by: MisterMe
Wellit's gins that killed those children
Uh no. Fvcked up teenagers killed those people. Guns are an inanimate object. They aren't capable of doing anything unless a human loads them and pulls the trigger.
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: MisterMe
Well
Uh no. Fvcked up teenagers killed those people. Guns are an inanimate object. They aren't capable of doing anything unless a human loads them and pulls the trigger.
Agreed - but availability is also an issue, but it's too late to fix that.
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actually before you look more ignorant you might want to go look at that link posted up there that shows how moore not only cut up heston's speech and took parts from a speech a year later, but that moore failed to mention at all the fact that most of the activities from the nra meeting were cancelled. the part of the meeting that was left was something required by law or whatever, that couldn't be changed.
moore doesn't just warp facts, he outright lies. apparently the opinion he prefers to push is based in some alternate reality where we cut and carve people's words to make them fit what we want to believe and not what really happened.
I would like to see Mr. Bush removed from the White House," the filmmaker told the host of ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."
"It's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration," Moore said Sunday. "I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism."
I don't understand where everyone got the idea that this was being marketed as a documentary? There has been nothing in the posters, trailers, commercials about the movie being a documentary. Even he himself says its not a documentary.
"It's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration," Moore said Sunday. "I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism."
I don't understand where everyone got the idea that this was being marketed as a documentary? There has been nothing in the posters, trailers, commercials about the movie being a documentary. Even he himself says its not a documentary.
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actually forget what i said above, you are definatley way past ignorant and well on your way to "needs to be stopped from wasting perfectly good air that others could be breathing." please remedy that immediately.
the cold dead hands speech was done a year later, not at the denver meeting. it was a thank you speech for a gift, had nothing to do with denver. moore just felt like putting it in there to make stupid people such as yourself line his wallet.
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: MisterMe
Well
Uh no. Fvcked up teenagers killed those people. Guns are an inanimate object. They aren't capable of doing anything unless a human loads them and pulls the trigger.
Agreed - but availability is also an issue, but it's too late to fix that.
They bought the guns illegally and not legally. What could have been done to fix that?
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:roll:Originally posted by: MisterMe
Well
A hundred million plus law-abiding citizens in the US have guns and never use them for any illegal purpose. We should ban them from everyone because of a couple of whacked-out teenagers? Should we ban all cars because some people drive drunk and kill entire families? Bear in mind that cars kill more than 5 times as many people every year as guns do (and that's including suicides).
Idiot. "There are no dangerous weapons. Only dangerous men."
Originally posted by: Magnum375
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: MisterMe
Well
Uh no. Fvcked up teenagers killed those people. Guns are an inanimate object. They aren't capable of doing anything unless a human loads them and pulls the trigger.
Agreed - but availability is also an issue, but it's too late to fix that.
They broke, what, 19 laws in preperation for what they did. Would it matter if they broke more? They also had a ton of homemade bombs, which if used properly, would have done significantly more death and destruction than their firearms did.
11 -- 1.5 gallon propane bombs
2 -- 20 pound propane bombs
7 -- gas or napalm bombs
Lethal
Vic
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But.... but... don't you know? Legislation fixes everything. All you have to do is pass a law and the problem is solved. If we outlaw guns, they'll all magically disappear, just like when we outlawed drugs.
Not. :roll:
If it weren't for the hypocracy, I wish we could outlaw idiots...
Not. :roll:
If it weren't for the hypocracy, I wish we could outlaw idiots...
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