Just came back from Fahrenheit 9/11

[UnatcoAgent]

So is what he says in the film not true then ?

It seems to me like he presents all of the facts as they are, facts.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: FoBoT
The New York Times says that Michael Moore's new movie "blithely tramples the boundary between documentary and demagoguery" and that it is more like an "editorial cartoon." That's what the Times says.

this is the kind of movie that you have to judge for yourself, lest you be swayed into thinking it is a great movie, at least by www.rottentomatoes.com poll of critic reviews.

Felfdenak, I have to respect your opinion... well because I'm just that sort of guy

Fair enough.

 

[chibchakan]

Originally posted by: gururu
Just saw it. It was a very compelling argument against the decisions made by the Bush administration immediately following 9/11. It was hysterical, touching, but ultimately very, very sad. To call such a work, or the person behind it lame, fat, stupid, corrupt, or self-serving, is irresponsible and ignorant. Whether one supports Bush or not, the consequences and ramifications of the Iraq war portrayed in this film are enlightening, if not already clear to the educated or simply wise.

Ditto.

See it then judge it, that's how I felt about The Passion.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

I have to agree, the film was both inspiring and moving. It inspired me to several bowel movements which allowed me to read the graffiti on the bathroom stall walls, which was far more entertaining, and probably more factual than his "documentary."

 

[MisterMe]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Heh...this is one conservative who's vote it won't sway. I put Moore in the same category as Limbaugh. Obese, arrogant blowhard who need to shut the hell up and go away.

I would have to say that MM is a bit on the super size but maybe he will see to changing that in his life. What he has to say needs to be out there. You on the other hand choose to live a life of being spoken to, instead of speaking. I voted for Bush, I live in FL and was happy the way everything went down....back then. Since then we have been lied to, manipulated and been subjected to an agenda that has nothing to do with what is important to an average American...shame shame shame.....

Tell me how what's going on in a war where 600+ have been murdered is a benefit to the guy in Ohio that just had his factory close...is he really safer? Or just more impoverished?

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Magnum375
So is what he says in the film not true then ?

It seems to me like he presents all of the facts as they are, facts.

just like he did in bowling for columbine, right? rofl, what a joke:roll:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Magnum375
So is what he says in the film not true then ?

It seems to me like he presents all of the facts as they are, facts.

He is a master of manipulating "facts", half-truths, and almost everything else you can think of to portray his viewpoint as unbiased and objective. Bowling for Columbine was a great example of this, and I don't expect Fahrenheit 9/11 to be any different.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Magnum375
So is what he says in the film not true then ?

It seems to me like he presents all of the facts as they are, facts.

Like others have said, Moore is like Rush's evil twin. They both present facts filtered thru their own perverted perception of reality. If you go see the movie just keep things in perspective. Moore is presenting a very biased opinion of what happened. Don't see the movie and think for a second that Moore is trying to be the least bit fair/objective and trying to present a balanced look at events. Moore has a theory and he is pushing it. Hard. This isn't one of those, "Here is side A, here is side B, now take this information and draw your own conclusion." It is, "Here is side A. Side A. Side A. Now, obviously Side A is correct because only an idiot would believe side B."

In fact, you should use this same logic in life. Everyone has an agenda (although some people push their agenda a lot more than others). Take everything you see and read w/a grain of salt (or a ton, depending on the situation). Always get as much info as you can, from as many sources as you can, and try to reach an informed decission. Don't just rely on one or two sources and ever expect to get the "whole story."


Lethal

 

[MisterMe]

He is a master of manipulating "facts", half-truths, and almost everything else you can think of to portray his viewpoint as unbiased and objective. Bowling for Columbine was a great example of this, and I don't expect Fahrenheit 9/11 to be any different.

So can't you say that about how GWB went to war?

 

[DaWhim]

do you see the sticky thread on top? :roll:

REPOST!

 

[MisterMe]

He is a master of manipulating "facts", half-truths, and almost everything else you can think of to portray his viewpoint as unbiased and objective. Bowling for Columbine was a great example of this, and I don't expect Fahrenheit 9/11 to be any different.

Oh and in BFC - WTF is up with mr macho Heston going having gun rallys in these towns that just had MASSIVE losses....not exactly appropriate ANYWAY you spin it...

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Heh...this is one conservative who's vote it won't sway. I put Moore in the same category as Limbaugh. Obese, arrogant blowhard who need to shut the hell up and go away.

I would have to say that MM is a bit on the super size but maybe he will see to changing that in his life. What he has to say needs to be out there. You on the other hand choose to live a life of being spoken to, instead of speaking. I voted for Bush, I live in FL and was happy the way everything went down....back then. Since then we have been lied to, manipulated and been subjected to an agenda that has nothing to do with what is important to an average American...shame shame shame.....

Tell me how what's going on in a war where 600+ have been murdered is a benefit to the guy in Ohio that just had his factory close...is he really safer? Or just more impoverished?

Ok a couple things...

1) How the hell did you decide I chose to be "spoken to"? Just because I find Mr. Moore to be an bloated, arrogant blowhard does not mean I am a Bush apologist. I'm actually more Libertarian than anything. I think I qualified my statement well enough by saying I lump Moore in with the self-righteous idiots who like to hear themselves talk (it occurs on both sides of the aisle you know).

2) What the devil does some random guy (I'm assuming you made him up) in Ohio have to do with this discussion at all? Somebody's factory closed down so it must be Bush's (or whoever is President at the time)fault? I hate statements like that. Sounds to me like you look to the government to solve your problems instead of dealing with them yourself.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

He is a master of manipulating "facts", half-truths, and almost everything else you can think of to portray his viewpoint as unbiased and objective. Bowling for Columbine was a great example of this, and I don't expect Fahrenheit 9/11 to be any different.

Oh and in BFC - WTF is up with mr macho Heston going having gun rallys in these towns that just had MASSIVE losses....not exactly appropriate ANYWAY you spin it...

Maybe you should take a look at this site...link

EDIT: Not saying that the site I linked to is 100% accurate and true itself, but it gives you some perspective on how manipulating and devious Michael Moore can be.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Magnum375
So is what he says in the film not true then ?

It seems to me like he presents all of the facts as they are, facts.

Like others have said, Moore is like Rush's evil twin. They both present facts filtered thru their own perverted perception of reality. If you go see the movie just keep things in perspective. Moore is presenting a very biased opinion of what happened. Don't see the movie and think for a second that Moore is trying to be the least bit fair/objective and trying to present a balanced look at events. Moore has a theory and he is pushing it. Hard. This isn't one of those, "Here is side A, here is side B, now take this information and draw your own conclusion." It is, "Here is side A. Side A. Side A. Now, obviously Side A is correct because only an idiot would believe side B."

In fact, you should use this same logic in life. Everyone has an agenda (although some people push their agenda a lot more than others). Take everything you see and read w/a grain of salt (or a ton, depending on the situation). Always get as much info as you can, from as many sources as you can, and try to reach an informed decission. Don't just rely on one or two sources and ever expect to get the "whole story."


Lethal

:beer: :thumbsup:

 

[Pepsei]

At first I thought that Moore did a number with Bush's "watch this drive" golf vacation. either by cutting the film or show it out of context.

But that clip was untouched and how are you going to refute that?

Bush is really not a divider, he united a lot of people to vote against him this election.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Magnum375
Hah yeah his appearance is very comical, I don't see why some think it was a poorly done documentary though.

maybe because it's nothing more than political spin - which does not constitute a documentary.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

He is a master of manipulating "facts", half-truths, and almost everything else you can think of to portray his viewpoint as unbiased and objective. Bowling for Columbine was a great example of this, and I don't expect Fahrenheit 9/11 to be any different.

Oh and in BFC - WTF is up with mr macho Heston going having gun rallys in these towns that just had MASSIVE losses....not exactly appropriate ANYWAY you spin it...

If you're referring to the one in Colorado, that was planned over a year in advance and could not be changed in the time remaining after the incident, dumbass.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: gururu
Just saw it. It was a very compelling argument against the decisions made by the Bush administration immediately following 9/11. It was hysterical, touching, but ultimately very, very sad. To call such a work, or the person behind it lame, fat, stupid, corrupt, or self-serving, is irresponsible and ignorant. Whether one supports Bush or not, the consequences and ramifications of the Iraq war portrayed in this film are enlightening, if not already clear to the educated or simply wise.

Uh would you say the same to Al Franken when he came out with the book "Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat liar"?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

He is a master of manipulating "facts", half-truths, and almost everything else you can think of to portray his viewpoint as unbiased and objective. Bowling for Columbine was a great example of this, and I don't expect Fahrenheit 9/11 to be any different.

Oh and in BFC - WTF is up with mr macho Heston going having gun rallys in these towns that just had MASSIVE losses....not exactly appropriate ANYWAY you spin it...

I fail to see the relevance of an NRA meeting with what happened in Columbine. Please explain how they relate.

 

[notfred]

While I don't expect this movie to be unbiased or objective, I still plan to go see it. I've seen and heard enough bush administration propaganda, something from the other side will be refreshing.

 

[K1052]

Moore, the Weinstein brothers, and the film exhibitors are laughing all the way to the bank.

The way that Moore and the Weinsteins manufactured the ?controversy? that surrounds this film is quite remarkable.

 

[MisterMe]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Ok a couple things...

1) How the hell did you decide I chose to be "spoken to"? Just because I find Mr. Moore to be an bloated, arrogant blowhard does not mean I am a Bush apologist. I'm actually more Libertarian than anything. I think I qualified my statement well enough by saying I lump Moore in with the self-righteous idiots who like to hear themselves talk (it occurs on both sides of the aisle you know).

2) What the devil does some random guy (I'm assuming you made him up) in Ohio have to do with this discussion at all? Somebody's factory closed down so it must be Bush's (or whoever is President at the time)fault? I hate statements like that. Sounds to me like you look to the government to solve your problems instead of dealing with them yourself.

You're being spoken to if you see no merit in another person opinion. MM is puttin his opinion (backed by some freely available facts) on the line in a medium that will change a very broad range of minds. Tell me that you have NO reservations WHAT SO EVER in regard to how the whole IRAQ thing is going down? I mean, WHY are we even there other than for the fact we blew into town like a bunch of cowboys and now are faced with building a country out of nothing in a country where we don't belong...

2) My guy in Ohio, any guy that just lost their job, is being overlooked and pushed aside by a government that chooses to spend a couple hundred billion dollars somewhere other than home. And no, I don't look to the government for any "lack" that I may have....I voted republican in 2000 remeber? I have an education that has served me well but this avenue is not even a remote option for some of the more simple people directly afftected by the government's actions....

 

[CubicZirconia]

Don't see the movie and think for a second that Moore is trying to be the least bit fair/objective and trying to present a balanced look at events.

I'm not saying that Moore doesn't distort facts to meet his agenda, but he readily admits that the movie is neither fair nor objective. I don't have a transcript, but last night on the daily show he said (paraphrasing): "I'm not fair and I do have an opinion. I am using this film to push my opinion."

 

[MisterMe]

If you're referring to the one in Colorado, that was planned over a year in advance and could not be changed in the time remaining after the incident, dumbass.

OMG! Me dumbass? Look at your nickname DA. Things can't cancelled? Cmon! Maybe it's time to go rustle up some grub with that 12 guage...

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Ok a couple things...

1) How the hell did you decide I chose to be "spoken to"? Just because I find Mr. Moore to be an bloated, arrogant blowhard does not mean I am a Bush apologist. I'm actually more Libertarian than anything. I think I qualified my statement well enough by saying I lump Moore in with the self-righteous idiots who like to hear themselves talk (it occurs on both sides of the aisle you know).

2) What the devil does some random guy (I'm assuming you made him up) in Ohio have to do with this discussion at all? Somebody's factory closed down so it must be Bush's (or whoever is President at the time)fault? I hate statements like that. Sounds to me like you look to the government to solve your problems instead of dealing with them yourself.

You're being spoken to if you see no merit in another person opinion. MM is puttin his opinion (backed by some freely available facts) on the line in a medium that will change a very broad range of minds. Tell me that you have NO reservations WHAT SO EVER in regard to how the whole IRAQ thing is going down? I mean, WHY are we even there other than for the fact we blew into town like a bunch of cowboys and now are faced with building a country out of nothing in a country where we don't belong...

2) My guy in Ohio, any guy that just lost their job, is being overlooked and pushed aside by a government that chooses to spend a couple hundred billion dollars somewhere other than home. And no, I don't look to the government for any "lack" that I may have....I voted republican in 2000 remeber? I have an education that has served me well but this avenue is not even a remote option for some of the more simple people directly afftected by the government's actions....

I prefer to get the facts and make my own decision from there. I don't need Moore to push his agenda on me. Perhaps you should do the same. Try gathering some facts on your own and doing a critical analysis of them. Also, my opinion on Iraq has not been stated in this thread and I will not state it. My opinion about that situation has no bearing on this discussion.

Your voting Republican doesn't mean a hill of beans to me. Even now, you still sound like you look for governmental solutions to things that the government should avoid.