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Just bought a 2002 Chrysler Neon LE... but changed my mind.
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No Lifer
Man i was in a similar position last year. I went to a chevy dealer and I swear this guy made me feel like sh*t. The entire experience was draining but the important thing was in the end I just left and I kept reaffirming the fact that i was not there to buy a car that day.
For you and everyone else: Next time you go into a car dealership go in with the attitude that the salesman is most likely not a particularly nice person. Treat them politely but always be on your card. Consider that they are constantly doing whatever they can to screw you out of your money. Be as cynical as hell and you'll do much better because of it.
After reading all this crap, I have come to the conclusion that maybe VFAA didn't actually buy anything and is just making this stuff up as he goes along. Just trying to stir up controversy.
As for Grumpy Boy: How many Civics survive 12 years? Not many. Especially here in Canada. Besides after 12 years the civic is worth squat, while real cars that are even older are worth a considerable amount. My Crown Vic is 15 years old and is still worth more than a 10 year civic. And a whole lot safer too. Come back when you've grown up and realized that not everyone has to think your way. You sound like a ricer. Yup, they suck too. Thinking your cool and being cool are 2 different things. Hey I know what you can do: go put a godawful spoiler on your civic and cruise around telling everyone that their car sucks. You'll really show them how smart you are.
Yield: great job man. Keep the faith and don't let fools push you around.
As for Grumpy Boy: How many Civics survive 12 years? Not many. Especially here in Canada. Besides after 12 years the civic is worth squat, while real cars that are even older are worth a considerable amount. My Crown Vic is 15 years old and is still worth more than a 10 year civic. And a whole lot safer too. Come back when you've grown up and realized that not everyone has to think your way. You sound like a ricer. Yup, they suck too. Thinking your cool and being cool are 2 different things. Hey I know what you can do: go put a godawful spoiler on your civic and cruise around telling everyone that their car sucks. You'll really show them how smart you are.
Yield: great job man. Keep the faith and don't let fools push you around.
Are you kidding? Along with corollas civics are some of the longest lasting cars out there. Granted, 80/90's hondas do have some rust issues so in canada they might be gotten rid of faster due to accelerated rust brought on by higher road salt use, but what you are saying is still rubbish.
My 92 civic is still going strong after 125K miles, and before that I had an 84 accord that lasted 165K miles and 13 years. My best friends '89 prelude is still going strong with 195K miles, and her sister just sold her '90 integra with 180K miles (and it was running strong too!).
Of course after a decade they wont be worth much, they didnt cost much to begin with, duh! I bought my civic in 98 or so with 75K miles for 6K, and if I wanted to sell it tommorow I could get at 3K for it. Not bad considering I've beat the hell out of it and added 50k miles.
BooneRebel
Platinum Member
Vic
Elite Member
First, it sounds like (I'm only just a little into the thread) you got a very decent car at a good price. Congratulations. I didn't get my first brand-new car until I was 26.
As for the salesman being desperate, no. You're obviously weak, he's got bills to pay and a family to feed, so he closed you like a door just the way he's supposed to. That's his job and had he not done it, you would have complained that you really liked the Neon and would have bought it, but the salesman just couldn't quite talk you into it. Feeble-minded individuals who blame everyone else but themselves really piss me off.
GrumpyMan
Diamond Member
Hey dummy let me clue you in, I am a 45 year old man and I actually drive a Mercedes 500SL convertable (red) but I didn't think that was important, now as far as the Honda Civic is concerned I had one that I put 170,000 miles on it, sold it to my brother and he put another 50,000 miles on it and I sold it for him to some TexMex painters and I still see it around town, I know it was the car I had cause it was painted yellow. Sorry to hijack this thread but he asked our opinions Tin Woode.
Vic
Elite Member
Good luck. :disgust: I understand that you're in Canada and so the socialist government there might actually let people like you back out, but here in the US you would be rightfully stuck in the car. You drove the car home, right? That means you accepted delivery of the car. That means that you confirmed that you wanted it. And are you going to honestly tell me that all you did was sign a credit card receipt for a $1k down payment and that was all? I seriously doubt that. You and I both know that you sat an hour in a finance office signing your life away. You even said earlier in the thread that you signed a 4 year contract! People like you make me sick. Learn to be an adult: make your decisions, stick with them, and keep your word.
BTW, if you did sign a finance contract for the car and drove the car home, then all cancelling the down will do is put you in default. Hope you enjoy having bad credit for the next 7 years.
Thegonagle
Diamond Member
He didn't take delivery of the car yet.
Vic
Elite Member
Hmm... my bad, I finally found the post near the bottom of the 1st page where he mentions that.
I'm not gonna edit my other posts though, as my opinion stands. Except, now I will say that the salesman wasn't that good after all (his job is to get you into the car and off the lot, you don't like that, don't walk onto the lot, simple as that). Go ahead and cancel the deal. Because you expressed reservations and didn't take delivery, they're actually expecting you to cancel. The CC "downpayment" was just a sales tool to give you a sense of investment and committment and see how you would handle it. Not well, it appears...
CPA
Elite Member
This thread is hilarious!
And VFAA you've held up well with all the lickins you're taking on this (most of them justifiable, btw).
Rather than further insult your maturity, or lack thereof, in this issue I thought I would offer some tips for the next time you go to a dealership.
1) Always, Always, Always know what you want BEFORE you go to the dealership. Also, check the internet for dealerships, send some emails looking for quotes, check stock, print out all the info you can get on the make and model of the car you want AND take it with you to the dealership.
2) Only bring your license and insurance. Do NOT bring cc, check book, cash, or payoff book of your current vehicle. Yes, theoretically you can still close a deal without that stuff, but it gives you some leverage and ammunition against the salesperson. Also, the cc for a credit check was B*llshit talk. You do not need a cc for a credit check. Next time a dealer says this turn right around and walk out. Put your hands over your ears, literally, if need be.
3) Bring someone, anyone, with you who will keep you in reality. A parent, yes even your mommy, will help.
4) Do not talk monthly payment, talk total sales price. Once you have that, talk trade-in value. Do not buy at MSRP Nor Sales Price. You can always get it lower.
5) If you do not like how you are being approached or feel pressured, Low-ball them to the extent that they say No. Deal off, walk out. This has worked for me.
6) Always keep the upper hand in the conversation, be stern when you talk. Look them in the eye when you or they speak. You act like a kid, they will treat you like a kid.
And as a last resort:
7) If you need to tell them that you need a few minutes to think about it - ALONE. Walk around outside towards your car, then after a minute or so, jump in your car AND TAKE OFF.
Here is one last unusual tip:
And lastly, I am a coniseur of hi-to custom vans. A lot of dealerships sell them, but salespersons don't like to for a couple of reasons. Margins are low = low commission. Most of them have no idea what the hell they are talking about when they show them to you. The eventually get embarrassed and walk off "to get someone else" or "to get some info on the vehicle". This is perfect time to get out. So next time you feel pressured, turn the tables by asking to view some vans, primarily custom vans. They'll soon lose interest in you. Take it from me, it has happened several times to me AND I was actually in the market for one.
And VFAA you've held up well with all the lickins you're taking on this (most of them justifiable, btw).
Rather than further insult your maturity, or lack thereof, in this issue I thought I would offer some tips for the next time you go to a dealership.
1) Always, Always, Always know what you want BEFORE you go to the dealership. Also, check the internet for dealerships, send some emails looking for quotes, check stock, print out all the info you can get on the make and model of the car you want AND take it with you to the dealership.
2) Only bring your license and insurance. Do NOT bring cc, check book, cash, or payoff book of your current vehicle. Yes, theoretically you can still close a deal without that stuff, but it gives you some leverage and ammunition against the salesperson. Also, the cc for a credit check was B*llshit talk. You do not need a cc for a credit check. Next time a dealer says this turn right around and walk out. Put your hands over your ears, literally, if need be.
3) Bring someone, anyone, with you who will keep you in reality. A parent, yes even your mommy, will help.
4) Do not talk monthly payment, talk total sales price. Once you have that, talk trade-in value. Do not buy at MSRP Nor Sales Price. You can always get it lower.
5) If you do not like how you are being approached or feel pressured, Low-ball them to the extent that they say No. Deal off, walk out. This has worked for me.
6) Always keep the upper hand in the conversation, be stern when you talk. Look them in the eye when you or they speak. You act like a kid, they will treat you like a kid.
And as a last resort:
7) If you need to tell them that you need a few minutes to think about it - ALONE. Walk around outside towards your car, then after a minute or so, jump in your car AND TAKE OFF.
Here is one last unusual tip:
And lastly, I am a coniseur of hi-to custom vans. A lot of dealerships sell them, but salespersons don't like to for a couple of reasons. Margins are low = low commission. Most of them have no idea what the hell they are talking about when they show them to you. The eventually get embarrassed and walk off "to get someone else" or "to get some info on the vehicle". This is perfect time to get out. So next time you feel pressured, turn the tables by asking to view some vans, primarily custom vans. They'll soon lose interest in you. Take it from me, it has happened several times to me AND I was actually in the market for one.
Called my VISA in the morning and they've frozen my account, by my request, till this issue is resolved.
Calling the dealership now not cancel the whole deal.
I signed 2 things:
-- 1st was the credit check approval (which the guy went in the back to withdraw a grand for downpayment without me knowing it, but only after he's done it)
-- 2nd was the receipt of the downpayment.
I don't BS in this story. I'm young and stupid and got basically handled by a good salesman. I know it's his job and he's got a family to feed, but I know I said NO twice to buying or leasing a new car. I learned my lesson, but more insults are welcome to get me thinking straight again 🙂.
Calling the dealership now not cancel the whole deal.
I signed 2 things:
-- 1st was the credit check approval (which the guy went in the back to withdraw a grand for downpayment without me knowing it, but only after he's done it)
-- 2nd was the receipt of the downpayment.
I don't BS in this story. I'm young and stupid and got basically handled by a good salesman. I know it's his job and he's got a family to feed, but I know I said NO twice to buying or leasing a new car. I learned my lesson, but more insults are welcome to get me thinking straight again 🙂.
alphatarget1
Diamond Member
$CDN 20k dumbarse.
LOL listen to this:
I call them up and say straight out to the information girl to transfer me to someone who can help me cancel the deal on my so called purchased automobile yesterday. She transfers me to my auto sales man. Before I begun he told me "Michael" wanted to speak to me (I assume he's some kind of manager). So, I said ok, put me through. Michael picks up and I tell him right off. It was too fast of a sale for me. I haven't done any research and i extend my appologies for this mistake but I want out of this deal.
"Buut whyyy?" (in a girly accent)
I simply made a mistake, I answered.
So he tells me, Alright, I'll have Shaf (my sales man) call you back.
Been 30 min and still no call from Shaf....
I call them up and say straight out to the information girl to transfer me to someone who can help me cancel the deal on my so called purchased automobile yesterday. She transfers me to my auto sales man. Before I begun he told me "Michael" wanted to speak to me (I assume he's some kind of manager). So, I said ok, put me through. Michael picks up and I tell him right off. It was too fast of a sale for me. I haven't done any research and i extend my appologies for this mistake but I want out of this deal.
"Buut whyyy?" (in a girly accent)
I simply made a mistake, I answered.
So he tells me, Alright, I'll have Shaf (my sales man) call you back.
Been 30 min and still no call from Shaf....
I bought a huge work truck here in NY around 15 years ago. I decided that it wasn't what I needed and called my lawyer. He told me I had 72 hours to cancel. I called and cancelled. Damn, talk about a pissed off salesman. He wouldn't take no for an answer. I sent a certified letter also. Oh, and I got my deposit back no problem.
<<Hey dummy let me clue you in, I am a 45 year old man and I actually drive a Mercedes 500SL convertable (red) but I didn't think that was important, now as far as the Honda Civic is concerned I had one that I put 170,000 miles on it, sold it to my brother and he put another 50,000 miles on it and I sold it for him to some TexMex painters and I still see it around town, I know it was the car I had cause it was painted yellow. Sorry to hijack this thread but he asked our opinions Tin Woode>>
Ah yes! Grumpy Boy just doesn't get it. You are 45 going on 12. Like I said civics are crappy little junk piles. 170,000 miles! Well lets just call up Honda and get an award! Please, I have slant sixes with twice that milage that are just breaking in. Like I said 12 year old civics aren't that common despite what you want to believe. Of course most of those that do survive are all riced out and even more crappy than when they started. For someone who can't tell the difference between Canadian dollars and US dollars maybe you should confine your drivel to civic fanboy boards.
Here is some advice: Shut the hell up.
Ah yes! Grumpy Boy just doesn't get it. You are 45 going on 12. Like I said civics are crappy little junk piles. 170,000 miles! Well lets just call up Honda and get an award! Please, I have slant sixes with twice that milage that are just breaking in. Like I said 12 year old civics aren't that common despite what you want to believe. Of course most of those that do survive are all riced out and even more crappy than when they started. For someone who can't tell the difference between Canadian dollars and US dollars maybe you should confine your drivel to civic fanboy boards.
Here is some advice: Shut the hell up.
Thegonagle
Diamond Member
You only said no twice. When I was selling, I was taught that a no isn't really a no until I asked five times.
But taking someone's credit card and charging $1000 without asking wasn't part of my training.
But taking someone's credit card and charging $1000 without asking wasn't part of my training.
UPDATE:
Shaf calls me back shortly after 9PM to tell me that he's found a CHEAPER CAR for me. it's still a Neon, but this time it's a 2001 model painted in red, and i assume LE with the same kind of features. Will this harassing/saga ever end? Or do I have to start changing phone #s tomorrow? How many NOs don't you understand?
Shaf calls me back shortly after 9PM to tell me that he's found a CHEAPER CAR for me. it's still a Neon, but this time it's a 2001 model painted in red, and i assume LE with the same kind of features. Will this harassing/saga ever end? Or do I have to start changing phone #s tomorrow? How many NOs don't you understand?
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