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Also pasturization destroys the natural neutrients in milk, vitamins, minerals, and needed enzymes are destroyed.
Complete bullshit. The losses, if any, are insignificant.
Also pasturization destroys the natural neutrients in milk, vitamins, minerals, and needed enzymes are destroyed.
http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/253-milk.html
Raw milk is not a risk free choice, I'll take mine pastureized thanks
http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/253-milk.html
Raw milk is not a risk free choice, I'll take mine pastureized thanks
Infectious Microbes Found in Cow’s Milk
Bacillus cereus: These bacteria produce a toxin that can cause diarrhea and another that causes vomiting. Bacillus cereus spores are heat-resistant and may survive pasteurization. There have even been very rare cases linked to dried milk and dried infant formula.
Brucella: Brucella is a bacterial microbe that is found in unpasteurized dairy products. Brucella infection, or Brucellosis, has also been called “Undulant Fever” because of the regular recurrence of fever associated with the disease.
Campylobacter jejuni: Campylobacter jejuni is the most common bacteria to cause diarrheal disease in the U.S. and is found in raw milk and poultry. It has an increased chance of causing disease when consumed in milk, because the basic pH of milk neutralizes the acidity of the stomach.
Coxiella burnetii: Coxiella infects a variety of animals, including livestock and pets. The microbe can be found in cow’s milk and is resistant to heat and drying. Infection by Coxiella results in Q fever, a high fever that may last up to 2 weeks.
E. coli O157:H7: This particular strain of E. coli has been associated with a number of food-borne outbreaks and is the cause of bloody diarrhea. Frequently associated with dairy cattle, microbial contamination of raw milk and soft cheeses can result in disease.
Listeria monocytogenes: Listeria is a common bacterial pathogen that is found in soft cheeses and unpasteurized milk. It can even survive below freezing temperatures and can therefore withstand refrigeration. It is particularly dangerous to individuals who have weakened immune systems, including pregnant women, AIDS patients, and the very young and very old.
Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis: This strain of mycobacteria can withstand pasteurization and has been associated with the development of Crohn’s disease, also known as inflammatory bowel syndrome. However, whether or not these bacteria can actually infect humans remains controversial.
Mycobacterium tuberculosis: The cause of “consumption,” a horrific wasting disease that first affects the lungs, Mycobacterium bovis is associated with consumption of raw milk and was one of the most common contaminants prior to the practice of pasteurization. M. bovis causes tuberculosis in cows and can be passed to humans via unpasteurized cow's milk, causing a disease that is very similar to M. tuberculosis.
Salmonella: Salmonella contamination of raw milk and milk products has been the source of several outbreaks in recent years. Symptoms include diarrhea and high fever.
Staphylococcus aureus: Staph aureus produces a toxin that causes explosive vomiting. The disease may be considered a consequence of actual food poisoning from simply consuming the toxin, rather than from an actual infection.
Yersinia enterocolitica: Associated with raw milk and ice cream, among other foods, contamination is believed to be a consequence of a breakdown in sanitization and sterilization techniques at dairy processing facilities.
If we are staying on the driving metaphor, why have speed limits, seat belts, quality tires?
Right IMO there are too many places for it to go wrong and the pros aren't outweighing the cons. I also try to make smart choices while driving too because some activity is risky.
If we are staying on the driving metaphor, why have speed limits, seat belts, quality tires?
Choosing to nullify laws in the jury box is nothing but mob rule.
But its so righteous! Powa to the people!
The OP cheers on jury nullification and in the same thread calls for equal protection under the law? Jury nullification is the antithesis of equal protection. Jury nullification is what empowered the klan to lynch people and protected corrupt machine politicians and mob bosses. People have their voice in the creation of laws through the election of lawmakers. Choosing to nullify laws in the jury box is nothing but mob rule.
Because there is a demonstrated difference in safety with what you cite. There is not when proper sanitation practices are used. Going with cars, it's an established fact that cars which are red have a higher rate of accidents than other colors. Shall we ban red? Color is a trivial thing after all.
If you were to say that unsanitary dairies are unfit to produce raw milk I'd agree. So put some seat belts on the cows
Sometimes the rightful power of the state is exceeded and there is no effective relief. When they the do not act responsibly, do not respond to the needs of the people, are clueless about the issues they wish to punish others for there are few real alternatives.
The OP's posts have made it clear that he has absolutely no concept of what equal protection even means.
Jury nullification is the antithesis of equal protection. Jury nullification is what empowered the klan to lynch people and protected corrupt machine politicians and mob bosses.
I didn't say it couldn't be your choice it just wouldn't be mine, just like smoking isn't risk free I choose not to. However the inofrmation has to be out there so an informed choice can be made. Assertions were made that there were no consequences of raw milk, there is
"The farmer was not harming anyone with raw milk"
Catherine W. Donnelly, Ph.D., a food microbiologist at the University of Vermont, believes that the dangers cancel out any potential nutritional benefits. Of particular concern is Listeria [a bacterium that results in a foodborne illness, listeriosis], which has a 30 percent mortality rate, Donnelly warns. If raw milk is your choice, its buyer beware. When USDA scientists collected raw milk samples from 861 farms in 21 states, nearly a quarter of them contained bacteria linked to human illness, including 5 percent that tested positive for Listeria.
But on the other hand why does the government allow tobacco to be sold?
Good question and I haven't seen anyone answer it. It's because the answer is obvious--more money from big tobacco lobbying to keep it legal. I don't think there is a big lobby for the raw milk industry. Some laws are bought to be created or not to be created.
Would you rather the jury be a rubber stamp for the government?
Have you ever wondered about the term "the government derives its power from the people?" What "exactly" does that mean?
Part of it means the government is powerless to enforce laws without the consent of the people.
That consent is derived from the jury system.
The government can pass all of the laws it wants, but without a willing jury, the government is powerless to enforce those laws.
The government can't pass squat without the will of the people as expressed through the election of lawmakers.
A couple of years ago there was a couple of men in a hotel room that were handling a pistol, they had been drinking, the pistol discharged, the bullet went through the wall where it struck and killed a man in an adjoining room.
http://www.kfdm.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/kfdm_vid_2237.shtml
It was an accident, the guy did not "purposefully" kill anyone,,. But he was still charged with man slaughter.
Why should an "idea" receive special protection under the law?
If taxpayers aren't going to be on the hook for any medical expenses due to people drinking, I don't see what the problem is in letting him sell the stuff. Caveat emptor.
Neither is driving.
Raw milk is used throughout the western world quite safely. Again it's taking proper steps to keep it that way.
Equal protection also calls for equal responsibility.
Why should companies and people have different sets of laws and different punishments?
Would you rather the jury be a rubber stamp for the government?
Have you ever wondered about the term "the government derives its power from the people?" What "exactly" does that mean?
Part of it means the government is powerless to enforce laws without the consent of the people.
That consent is derived from the jury system.
The government can pass all of the laws it wants, but without a willing jury, the government is powerless to enforce those laws.