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Jury awards a woman <Dr Evil> 1 beeellion dollars...almost
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PowerMac4Ever
Banned
I think you just posted that so you can say you flipped some vehicle on some road and act like a badass. NO ONE CARES. Anyway, you don't know if there was a design flaw in her particular vehicle or not. The article was extremely vague and no one has seen the evidence presented in court.
by "serving", i am pretty sure he means "dispensing", not "consuming"... and the ANSI standard referred to is for home brewing devices. if you want to take a look at the same case tscenter referred to:
150 F.3d 651, (7th Cir. 1998)
a fact that i have not seen disputed is that the coffee was about 180 degrees when spilled... i don't dispute that the coffee was kept at a decent temperature, but it was also served at a temperature that was marked in the standard as being hot enough not to drink, but hot enough so that after being cooled down by a "cold cup, adding cream, sugar and spoon" at home, it would be drinkable and tasty.
the cups, cream, and spoons used by mcdonalds generally do not cool as well as those same components found in a household would (which is probably what the standard based the temperatures on, given that it is for home coffee making machines). styrofoam cups designed to hold temperature, room temperature cream, and plastic spoons don't cool as well as a ceramic coffee mug, refridgerated cream, and metal spoons. it is pretty unlikely that the coffee coming from a home coffee maker adhering to those ANSI standards would be as hot as what liebeck got from mcdonalds, unless you put your mouth right under the spout.
as for the other comments, i didn't see much fact (just opinion), so i'll end here.
in any case, i don't want to get into a discussion about mcdonalds; suffice it to say, i believe neither this case nor the mcdonalds case turned out, or will turn out, to be as simple as the media and knee-jerk reactionists make it out to be.
Haven't you learned how to use Google yet, Sport?
- The Corvette can be found on the third page, under "Sports Cars: All Small". Scan over the Vette data until you see the number of deaths from rollover accidents. Look up and down the page for any other figure this high. You won't find one. The real world says Vettes have an extraordinarily high number of deaths resulting from a rollover, a kind of accident rarely associated with low-center-of-gravity sports cars. We almost expect tipsy behavior from tall sport utes, but not sports cars. Yet the Vette is a top contender to kill a driver in a rollover...
The vehicle passed federal safety standards. If anyone should be sued (no one should), it should be the government. We absolutely know enough about the case to make a judgement. The woman was driving a vehicle which the government deemed safe. She did something that could result in serious injury or death in any vehicle. You might make an argument that it was just bad luck (and if so, I wouldn't be surprised if an idiot like this filed a lawsuit against God), but you can't argue that it was Ford's fault. And the McDonalds case is still absurd. It's a sad day when you can pour coffee on your lap and let go of the steering wheel and crash, and become a million/billionaire from it. It's a sadder day when anyone but the poorest, dumbest city crackheads agree with it 🙁
PlatinumGold
Lifer
actually, it's even more telling if the statistic as quoted is for #'s of deaths as a corvette can only seat a maximum of 2 where as SUVs can seat significantly more.
"I think you just posted that so you can say you flipped some vehicle on some road and act like a badass. NO ONE CARES. Anyway, you don't know if there was a design flaw in her particular vehicle or not. The article was extremely vague and no one has seen the evidence presented in court. "
He gave a PERFECT example from first hand experience, but nooooo, that's not good enough for you. :roll:
You got slam dunked, fvcktard.
He gave a PERFECT example from first hand experience, but nooooo, that's not good enough for you. :roll:
You got slam dunked, fvcktard.
PlatinumGold
Lifer
IF it were a design flaw (which it isn't) wouldn't there be a LOT more explorer roll overs than Corvette roll overs?
the fact that there isn't is pretty clear evidence that it isn't a design flaw as much as it is a driving flaw. thing it thru once more, how many corvettes are sold very year vs explorers?? i'm willing to bet that there is a greater than 10 to 1 ratio of explorers to corvettes based on that number EVEN were the number of deaths due to roll overs = between explorers and corvettes, one would still conclude that it is more driving habits than type of vehicle as the corvette is probably less likely to roll over than an expedition. the fact that there are more corvette deaths is pretty clear evidence.
the fact that there isn't is pretty clear evidence that it isn't a design flaw as much as it is a driving flaw. thing it thru once more, how many corvettes are sold very year vs explorers?? i'm willing to bet that there is a greater than 10 to 1 ratio of explorers to corvettes based on that number EVEN were the number of deaths due to roll overs = between explorers and corvettes, one would still conclude that it is more driving habits than type of vehicle as the corvette is probably less likely to roll over than an expedition. the fact that there are more corvette deaths is pretty clear evidence.
skyking
Lifer
Statistics are the greatest way to lie: Easy to take pure numbers, and neglect to provide the crucial details.
Those corvette rollovers I will surmise involved the car ending up a long way off the road, hitting objects that started the roll, etc.
I have seen many wrecks in my 800,000 miles of driving, and the only rollover from a pure swerve mishandling, without any object or curb to hit, was an Explorer. Go figure😛
Those corvette rollovers I will surmise involved the car ending up a long way off the road, hitting objects that started the roll, etc.
I have seen many wrecks in my 800,000 miles of driving, and the only rollover from a pure swerve mishandling, without any object or curb to hit, was an Explorer. Go figure😛
skyking
Lifer
Did you see the 😛? 😛😀
It WAS anecdotal, but I watched it happen. I have seen 4 fatalities unfold before my eyes, and that was one of them.
It looked just like the tests, the initial swerve, the overcorrect, and the roll out there in the open pavement, with no curb to start it. Pretty disturbing..........
They were moving pretty fast, 75 or so, and it rolled right down the highway about 5 or 6 times.
Chebago
Senior member
my sister watched a guy died in an suv (chevy suburban) that flipped when they both tried to switch lanes to the middle at the same time (she was on the far right, he was on the far left) they were going the same speed and when he saw her he yanked the wheel and the suv flipped, happened right to her left...I guess if she had this jury she could of sued for trauma of watching an suv flip and be a millionaire.
on another note, that lady will probably never see a real penny of that 369 million, of course, even if she did, shes still paralyzed and I'd rather be poor and walking than rich and paralyzed.
on another note, that lady will probably never see a real penny of that 369 million, of course, even if she did, shes still paralyzed and I'd rather be poor and walking than rich and paralyzed.
This thread is enormous so I didn't read it all.
If the engineers reccomended to have the SUV be wider, and Ford ignored them then Ford is at fault!
Imagine, if you will
Engineer: "Boss, it is my opinion that we widen the Explorer, this could save many lives and/or cause less injury due to Rollover accidents."
Boss: "How many accidents do you think we will avoid?"
Engineer: "We calculate around 30 a year"
Boss: "I don't want to spend all that money just to prevent injury to around 30 people a year"
Engineer: "Boss, I protest, my number one duty in the Engineering Code of Ethics is public safey. This comes before anything else."
Boss: "Good, you go and brag about how you did the right thing, when you are standing in the unemployment line. You're fired!" (begins counting his money).
Ford has ALWAYS seemed evil to me. The early explorers were terrible and let's not forget about the exploding pintos that Ford KNEW there was a problem with, but didn't want to stop production to fix it!
Has anyone ever read the Flivver King by Upton sinclair? It was a work of fiction based on facts. Ford has always been quite the shaddy company. All companies are in existance for profit, but Ford has always been WAY too greedy. I've had more problems with ford vehicles than any other brand.
Edit: Just think about it. This women cannot use her legs because Ford wanted to save a few bucks. I guess people don't think use of legs is important??? I don't know about you, but I'd rather have use of my legs than 300 million dollars. How do you put a price on the use of your legs? This should send a message to Ford. But, judging from past experiances, Ford will probably not change.
If the engineers reccomended to have the SUV be wider, and Ford ignored them then Ford is at fault!
Imagine, if you will
Engineer: "Boss, it is my opinion that we widen the Explorer, this could save many lives and/or cause less injury due to Rollover accidents."
Boss: "How many accidents do you think we will avoid?"
Engineer: "We calculate around 30 a year"
Boss: "I don't want to spend all that money just to prevent injury to around 30 people a year"
Engineer: "Boss, I protest, my number one duty in the Engineering Code of Ethics is public safey. This comes before anything else."
Boss: "Good, you go and brag about how you did the right thing, when you are standing in the unemployment line. You're fired!" (begins counting his money).
Ford has ALWAYS seemed evil to me. The early explorers were terrible and let's not forget about the exploding pintos that Ford KNEW there was a problem with, but didn't want to stop production to fix it!
Has anyone ever read the Flivver King by Upton sinclair? It was a work of fiction based on facts. Ford has always been quite the shaddy company. All companies are in existance for profit, but Ford has always been WAY too greedy. I've had more problems with ford vehicles than any other brand.
Edit: Just think about it. This women cannot use her legs because Ford wanted to save a few bucks. I guess people don't think use of legs is important??? I don't know about you, but I'd rather have use of my legs than 300 million dollars. How do you put a price on the use of your legs? This should send a message to Ford. But, judging from past experiances, Ford will probably not change.
What is your point? I see no point. That is passed some minamum test??? Is that your point?
My point is Ford knew there was a problem and ignored it due to money concerns. This is wrong.
Heck, the government used to only test straight-on impact in cars. Anyone remember the first Dateline NBC special that did 3rd party funded off centered front crashes and showed how terrible some cars performed that got perfect scores on the government impact crashes? This forced the government to change their testing procedures.
Just because something passed a certain minamum test doesn't mean Ford can just throw out engineers reccomendations to increase safety.
Edit: What if Ford knew there was a problem that would cost thousdands of lives, but the government did not find this problem? Would it still be OK in your book?
Sigh... What kind of crazyness is this. Do you really think the GOVERNMENT should be sued (essentially suing the citizens of the U.S.)?
The SUV may have passed the tests, but that does not give Ford a get out of jail for free card. If Ford knew this was a problem, and purposfully cut costs despite recomendations from engineers, it is Ford that is at fault, not the government.
I can't believe people are actually sticking up for Ford. If Ford knew there was the potential for this type of accident, and they ignored warnings from their engineers, then Ford is at fault.
Heck, if the Engineers that brought this up with ford did not lodge a formal complaint, they could be barred from working in an engineering field for life! These things are very serious. $300 million for the use of your legs seems more than fair to me. I don't know how you could put a price on it.
The story would be TOTALLY different if there was no engineering warnings (engineers thought the vehicle was sufficiently safe), Then the women would have gotton nothing.
Edit: If all responsibillity was on the government, I'd assue you, everyone would do the bare minamum when it came to safety knowing someone else would foot the bill. This idea is ridicilous.
Another example is Reed v. Chrysler Corporation
(494 N.W.2d 224 (Iowa 1992)).
Basically a person got into a crash with a Jeep and was injured due to the fiberglass top. There was better material at the time to construct the top and Chrysler knew this (it was costworthy to use different meterial as well).
So, Reed sued and won. Simple as that. I still am shocked at the many people making fun of this woman.
It HAD to be costworthy for Ford to freaking fix the problem since they have fixed it (around 2001 or so).
(494 N.W.2d 224 (Iowa 1992)).
Basically a person got into a crash with a Jeep and was injured due to the fiberglass top. There was better material at the time to construct the top and Chrysler knew this (it was costworthy to use different meterial as well).
So, Reed sued and won. Simple as that. I still am shocked at the many people making fun of this woman.
It HAD to be costworthy for Ford to freaking fix the problem since they have fixed it (around 2001 or so).
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