Judge Sotomayor confirmation hearings

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: OrByte


no such definition of racism exists. You just made that one up. Congrats?

racism, look it up. It basically is about the superiority of a race being to all others. How does Afirmative Action fit into that? answer: it doesn't because affirmative action gives preferences to all races other than the majority (which happens to be white. Move to South America and I am sure it will be different)

I did read dictionary.com definitions. Apparently you haven't. Here, I will help.

Let me help you.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Also, I agree that it's impossible to find an unbiased person anywhere, but when the offending bias is race, well that's a bad one to pick. Other than that, she is certainly well qualified and the end of the world will not come when she sits.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I find no small irony in the opponents of "Judicial Activism" criticizing Judge Sotomayor for not trying to overturn established precedent in the New Haven case...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I find no small irony in the opponents of "Judicial Activism" criticizing Judge Sotomayor for not trying to overturn established precedent in the New Haven case...

lol, you people can keep trying to claim that but every time you're called on it, you can't back it up. I know it was part of the talking points you read but it doesn't make it true. There was no precedent that she or they were FORCED to follow. If they would have actually looked into it they would have seen how this case was different and that they should have at least looked into it instead of dismissing it.

Meh, continue on with your head stuck in the sand if you wish...

 

[CrimsonWolf]

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

Your political career, and chances of being appointed to the Supreme Court, would thrive by stating that publicly.

Everyone would agree with you. No backlash, whatsoever.

 

[Moonbeam]

G: I don't know where you got your moral compass, but just because you don't believe a word or phrase to be true, doesn't mean you go unaffected.

M: If it is only word, sound in the air There is no effect. That is the point.

G: Additionally, this woman will be affecting the policy of an entire nation - if I go to court and she rules against me based on race - I'm screwed, nothing I can do at that point.

M: If If If, The point is that your inferiority complex may have actually already biased your view. I have no fear whatever she is a racist. I see her remarks as context appropriate and right on. I am not threatened by her.

G: This has nothing to do with her political stance, at least for me. Sure I don't agree with her political stance, but if she has sound reasons for her judgement, then, while I don't like it, who am I but another person to say what is right or wrong.

M: Exactly, have some trust in folk. We are all the same. I am such a fantastic person being white, I want everybody to be equal to me. And I know they will feel the same.

G: on the other hand is a blatant disregard for civil rights. I would be incredibly angry if I were one of the fire fighters who were denied advancement simply because not enough minorities advanced.

M: You would also be incredibly angry if the racism of centuries left your people burdened with low class status and massive prejudice against your people. Great people give each other a hand up. Swine try to keep each other down.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

"When a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant - and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases - I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position."

--Sam Alito

"When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account."

--Sam Alito

Hopefully your consistant and call Sam Alito a racist also, according to you the SCOTUS is overrun with racists

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

"When a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant - and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases - I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position."

--Sam Alito

"When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account."

--Sam Alito

Hopefully your consistant and call Sam Alito a racist also, according to you the SCOTUS is overrun with racists

404 race not found.

Are you really that stupid to try to equate Alito's statements with hers?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

You don't have empathy for white people, you have empathy for wingnuts who are mainly white. You see most of us white people don't consider ourselves victims.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

"When a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant - and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases - I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position."

--Sam Alito

"When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account."

--Sam Alito

Hopefully your consistant and call Sam Alito a racist also, according to you the SCOTUS is overrun with racists

404 race not found.

Are you really that stupid to try to equate Alito's statements with hers?

Nah, I'll leave the stupidity and shrill, echoeing cries of "racism" to all you partison reactionaries, Carry on...

 

[Modelworks]

I'm watching it now on CNN and Sen. Kyl is giving me a headache. He is a former lawyer and it shows , lots of words , saying little and trying to phrase things in ways that will get her to say things she doesn't really mean to say.

His questions twist so much she is having to write them down to keep them straight.
He is asking the "So when did you stop beating your wife ? " type questions.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: OCguy
Thankfully this racist excuse for a judge is just replacing another Leftist. It is good to get some statements on record during the confirmation process, but this is pretty much a done deal already. It doesnt change the balance of the court.

No, but we can use it in the long list of Obama failures to win house and senate back in 2010.

"My congressional opponent allowed a racist judge to be confirmed, voted for bogus stimulus, etc, why in the world would you put him back in office? That's not the kind of change our nation needs and surely confirming racists is the opposite of what we need."

I am sure GOP will use this as opportunity to alienate Hispanics and Women, ensuring their minority status and eventual nomination of more liberals to USSC. That's how the cookie crumbles.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: OrByte
I am sorry to burst your bubble (and every other half-brain out there) but Affirmative Action is not inherently racist

Affirmative Action is inherently prejudiced

racism is an idea of one race being inferior to a superior race. Racism contains an element of hate to all races different than ones own. Affirmative Action does not operate within these parameters. Think about it....

Affirmative Action is prejudicial in practice. Prejudice is a preconceived notion of belief or idea. Affirmative Action operates on the preconceived notion that institutions inherently and continuously employ hiring or accepting practices that are racist in nature. Affirmative Action in practice operates under the assumption that the culture of an institution is racist.

you all need to figure this shit out before you start labeling people racist, you look damn foolish.

And exactly what side do you think Sotomayor is in this "racism war" that you speak of?

Please think before you type.

Believe it or not, prejudice does not preempt racism... The definition of racism that I'm using is not "white people in the 1800s who owned slaves," by that definition there are very few racists left. Racism in modern times is mostly limited to simply giving preference to a race, or special consideration. Giving preference to a race, in effect, is similar to one thinking that one or another race is superior. Notice the word effect before you go off. Also look at the dictionary.com's second definition of the word "racism."

But ok, let's just say she's prejudiced. Do you want a Supreme Court Judge who's prejudiced against anyone? I don't care who it is, but no. You really don't.

edit: Forgot to say, our culture is no longer racist so from your little spiel we don't need affirmative action anymore. And it should be obvious, in the whole racism war between racists and.... people trying to make everyone equal..... I'd place the lady in question in the latter party. It's not just that though, she's going beyond the bounds of equality to ensure that minorities get "fair" treatment. That's what affirmative action does.

You do realize that Affirmative Action is about more than just race don't you. Also, how is it you make the claim that 'our culture is no longer racist'? What do you base that on?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I'm watching it now on CNN and Sen. Kyl is giving me a headache. He is a former lawyer and it shows , lots of words , saying little and trying to phrase things in ways that will get her to say things she doesn't really mean to say.

His questions twist so much she is having to write them down to keep them straight.
He is asking the "So when did you stop beating your wife ? " type questions.

so you are saying seh is not smart enought to figure out the questions posed to her by a lawyer?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I'm watching it now on CNN and Sen. Kyl is giving me a headache. He is a former lawyer and it shows , lots of words , saying little and trying to phrase things in ways that will get her to say things she doesn't really mean to say.

His questions twist so much she is having to write them down to keep them straight.
He is asking the "So when did you stop beating your wife ? " type questions.

so you are saying seh is not smart enought to figure out the questions posed to her by a lawyer?

There isn't anyone who could understand those questions. Most people ask questions in a sentence, not make a statement with several questions for 15 minutes then ask you , what is your opinion ?

You have to stop and go "wait a minute, what was that ?"

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Bird222
You do realize that Affirmative Action is about more than just race don't you. Also, how is it you make the claim that 'our culture is no longer racist'? What do you base that on?

Yes, but here, we are talking about race. Our culture is no longer racist because the generation of people that have just gone through college, and the ones just going through, have exposure to non racist cultures. I mean let's face it, what college student now is racist? Maybe in Arkansas, maybe in Texas (I live in texas right now), but most people growing up haven't been exposed to anything that would cause them to be racist. The new generation, the people that all our hopes rest on, they aren't racist. Most of the older (30-50) generation aren't racist as well. In fact, if you asked almost anyone if they were truly racists in this country, they would say

"NO."

But there will always be retards who need some poor excuse to boost their self confidence (some people can't even find a reason past their color of skin), and there will always be people who need to try to prove that they are equal to everyone else (this is just another way of justifying themselves, or their color of skin.)

In all actuality, no matter what troll jokes are made about color, people don't care what race you're of. If you make sense, and you truly care of what you're about, you'll do fine. The problem is, so many politics related people don't make sense or obviously are liars that it's easier to discount someone based upon their race or religion or background or childhood or sexuality or WHATEVER rather than try to compare them to some honest politician. (because they don't exist)

fake edit: I'm drunk, this is the best I can do, I'll try to pick it up in the morning (one of those blessed people who never get hangovers

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I am sure GOP will use this as opportunity to alienate Hispanics and Women, ensuring their minority status and eventual nomination of more liberals to USSC. That's how the cookie crumbles.

I almost agree, it would take one hell of a conservative to actually be able to explain to the American people why affirmative action is inherently racist. I don't expect that either liberals or conservatives would have a person within the next 10 years who could say that, it just wouldn't be on the flash cards to do so.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

I almost agree, it would take one hell of an ignorant demagogue be able to explain to the American people why affirmative action is inherently racist.

Fixed. Of course, it *looks* racist when you don't understand why it's not. It's actually quite easy for politicians to wrongly argue that affirmative action is 'racist'.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Fixed. Of course, it *looks* racist when you don't understand why it's not. It's actually quite easy for politicians to wrongly argue that affirmative action is 'racist'.

Who or what is affirmative action actually helping? I disagree, most minorities that I know (and by the way, I live in a place where whites are the definite minority) neither want nor need affirmative action to affirm their existence. That's all it really is, it's providing minorities with affirmation of equality. That's a pretty big insult if you ask most minorities...

Also, what politician that you know argues that affirmative action is racist? Include links please so I can shame both them and you.

edit: fixed... read it again, my bad, not thinking straight atm...

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

A common sentiment seen again and again throughout American history.

unwittingly or not, the sentiment in the above post is at the core of what is really going on, IMHO.

It's not that the GOP and their sympathizers are against racism as a behavior-- clearly they indulge and thrive on racism quite often, and embrace racism with gusto. No, the real problem they have with Sotomayor is that she might be racist against white people.

Never have we had powerful people in high places with that particular and peculiar esthetic.

Let's just be honest: It's not racism that provokes GOP indignation, it's the flavor of racism as a viable or possible alternative (real or imagined) that scares the shit out of them.

 

[CitizenKain]

Its nice seeing Republicans do what they can to turn away the largest growing demographic in America, keep it up! Since every Republican complaint about here has essentially been "You brown people are less then human, why do you think you should be doing anything but cleaning laundry" I can see this going over well.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Its nice seeing Republicans do what they can to turn away the largest growing demographic in America, keep it up! Since every Republican complaint about here has essentially been "You brown people are less then human, why do you think you should be doing anything but cleaning laundry" I can see this going over well.

Yeah, its weird because Hispanics, for the most part, are pretty religious.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: spidey07
As a white male I can assure you that my life experience provides me with much better intellect than latino or black people. I have real empathy for white people and that is why I'll be a good judge.

Nope, not racist at all.

"When a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant - and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases - I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position."

--Sam Alito

"When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account."

--Sam Alito

Hopefully your consistant and call Sam Alito a racist also, according to you the SCOTUS is overrun with racists

Why are those Sam Alito statements racist again? They show a judicial prejudice but not racism...

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I'm watching it now on CNN and Sen. Kyl is giving me a headache. He is a former lawyer and it shows , lots of words , saying little and trying to phrase things in ways that will get her to say things she doesn't really mean to say.

His questions twist so much she is having to write them down to keep them straight.
He is asking the "So when did you stop beating your wife ? " type questions.

so you are saying seh is not smart enought to figure out the questions posed to her by a lawyer?

lol that is exactly what i was thinking. Regardless of the party affiliation I hate congress/senate hearings so much grandstanding. Really truely a farce.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: Craig234
Fixed. Of course, it *looks* racist when you don't understand why it's not. It's actually quite easy for politicians to wrongly argue that affirmative action is 'racist'.

Who or what is affirmative action actually helping? I disagree, most minorities that I know (and by the way, I live in a place where whites are the definite minority) neither want nor need affirmative action to affirm their existence. That's all it really is, it's providing minorities with affirmation of equality. That's a pretty big insult if you ask most minorities...

Also, what politician that you know argues that affirmative action is racist? Include links please so I can shame both them and you.

edit: fixed... read it again, my bad, not thinking straight atm...

Don't worry 'bout him, Craig likes sitting up on his perch high above the petty commoners. He thinks he knows what's best for society, and believes that the ends always justifies the means.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Its nice seeing Republicans do what they can to turn away the largest growing demographic in America, keep it up! Since every Republican complaint about here has essentially been "You brown people are less then human, why do you think you should be doing anything but cleaning laundry" I can see this going over well.

Oh please, most of us are so over the racism thing. The judge in question isn't, she still feels the need to give minorities special privileges. That's the only problem. It doesn't matter what color of skin I am, or what color she is. The only thing wrong is the fact that she is prejudiced towards/against certain races, depending on how you see it.

I really doubt that there is anyone smart enough to sign up for internet forums and post, that is actually racist in the way that you look down on people.