Judge rules paper money unfair to blind

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Ugh.. why do people keep suggesting changing the sizes of all currency?? It's the dumbest idea of them all. Just put durable braile dots on the bills and be done with it. :roll:

Because Braile dots are easily mimicked, could affect cash machines and really CAN'T be durable on money... do you understand how often money is wadded up, tossed around, ran through the washing machine, trampled and folded? Little bumps would not hold up AT ALL.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: bobdelt
some of these ideas have been so stupid.... just make it different sizes like most countries...

That's the worst idea of the lot. Wallets are a certain size, change machines accept bills of a certain size, money envelopes are a certain size...need I go on? Changing sizes would be the single most expensive thing the government could do and would require everyone in the country to make changes.

Hardly. Either way equipment is going to have to be changed up a bit. You are concerned about wallet size? HAH. I went to Ireland and Scotland in September and not one single bill didn't fit in my wallet just fine, and that's on two different money systems that use two different sizes of bills.

Wallet size was one example of many that have been given. A HUGE amount of currency related items are size specific. Just think about it and you'll come up with dozens, if not hundreds of examples.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
People still use cash?

It's what I use 90% of the time. I only use plastic if I've got the paper on hand to send in a MO to pay it off immediately (or in extreme emergencies).

 

[Linflas]

This is what happens when congress writes laws in such a way as to allow the implementation and details up to the courts to determine. When the ADA was being debated before it became law this was one of the big criticisms of the way it was written. That said I really have no problem with designing currency to make it easier for the blind to use. I would rather have it done by my elected representatives rather than imposed by an unelected Federal judge.

 

[moshquerade]

being blind is unfair to the blind.

 

[UDT89]

last time i checked blind people shop with a friend/partner........b/c they cant see what they're buying........

also blind people have their own system. they fold each bill a certain way to know the value.

plus nowadays, you dont even need to carry cash.....i rarely do.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Only in America, were the minority rules. What's next, print all money in English and Spanish?

 

[Pacemaker]

If people didn't try to rip off blind people every day this wouldn't be needed, but you know some jerk would give a blind guy 3 ones and tell him its three twenties, or the blind guy give someone a hundred dollar bill and they guy tells him it's a one. Really if people could be trusted this wouldn't be needed, but in the end someone will always be a jerk like this.

I'm not going to say "let blind people drive" or stupid crap like that. (it's a nice strawman by the way) But when a blind person can't buy food without worring about getting ripped off, something needs to change.

 

[ahurtt]

And in other news, God rules life unfair and strongly urges his children to STFU, suck it up, and get over it.

EDIT: This is why we have credit cards, debit cards, etc...
Who the fvck uses cash any more in this day and age. I swear whenever I see some stupid bitch in the grocery checkout line (and it's ALWAYS a woman, why is that?) writing a check, I want to walk up there and kick her in the head.

 

[SpecialEd]

From the judge: "Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations," Robertson wrote. "More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired."

Looks like we need to get with the program.

Only in America, were the minority rules. What's next, print all money in English and Spanish?

Contradiction?

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: SpecialEd

From the judge: "Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations," Robertson wrote. "More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired."

Looks like we need to get with the program.

Only in America, were the minority rules. What's next, print all money in English and Spanish?

Contradiction?

The solution is simple, blind people should always ask for their change in all coins only. Problem solved. Next topic.

 

[Kelnoen]

Judge: Pictures unfair for blind people
Judge: Windows unfair for blind people
Judge: Light unfair for blind people
Judge: Stairs unfair for disabled people
Judge: Jungle music unfair for the elderly

What a load of crap, people with disabilities can't do everything, SHOCK HORROR!!!

 

[pontifex]

i still use cash regularly.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If people didn't try to rip off blind people every day this wouldn't be needed, but you know some jerk would give a blind guy 3 ones and tell him its three twenties, or the blind guy give someone a hundred dollar bill and they guy tells him it's a one. Really if people could be trusted this wouldn't be needed, but in the end someone will always be a jerk like this.

I'm not going to say "let blind people drive" or stupid crap like that. (it's a nice strawman by the way) But when a blind person can't buy food without worring about getting ripped off, something needs to change.

None of the proposed changes would stop the hypothetical jerk in your post.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
And in other news, God rules life unfair and strongly urges his children to STFU, suck it up, and get over it.

EDIT: This is why we have credit cards, debit cards, etc...
Who the fvck uses cash any more in this day and age. I swear whenever I see some stupid bitch in the grocery checkout line (and it's ALWAYS a woman, why is that?) writing a check, I want to walk up there and kick her in the head.

Not simple to check the amount on the little screen if you are blind, also not easy to punch in your pin number. (or even select debit/credit on the machine) And not everything takes credit (although most places do) and sometimes the machine is down.
Cash is still needed, someday it won't be, but today it is.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If people didn't try to rip off blind people every day this wouldn't be needed, but you know some jerk would give a blind guy 3 ones and tell him its three twenties, or the blind guy give someone a hundred dollar bill and they guy tells him it's a one. Really if people could be trusted this wouldn't be needed, but in the end someone will always be a jerk like this.

I'm not going to say "let blind people drive" or stupid crap like that. (it's a nice strawman by the way) But when a blind person can't buy food without worring about getting ripped off, something needs to change.

None of the proposed changes would stop the hypothetical jerk in your post.

With the changes at least the blind person would know the person was being a jerk. As it is now the blind person would not be sure if the clerk was a jerk or he made a mistake while folding his money.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If people didn't try to rip off blind people every day this wouldn't be needed, but you know some jerk would give a blind guy 3 ones and tell him its three twenties, or the blind guy give someone a hundred dollar bill and they guy tells him it's a one. Really if people could be trusted this wouldn't be needed, but in the end someone will always be a jerk like this.

I'm not going to say "let blind people drive" or stupid crap like that. (it's a nice strawman by the way) But when a blind person can't buy food without worring about getting ripped off, something needs to change.

At the risk of sounding callous... if they can't see the prices anyway, the risk of getting ripped off remains even if the bills are changed. I guess it would reduce the likely hood of a big mistake though (e.g. giving a 100 when they thought it was a 10).

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
If people didn't try to rip off blind people every day this wouldn't be needed, but you know some jerk would give a blind guy 3 ones and tell him its three twenties, or the blind guy give someone a hundred dollar bill and they guy tells him it's a one. Really if people could be trusted this wouldn't be needed, but in the end someone will always be a jerk like this.

I'm not going to say "let blind people drive" or stupid crap like that. (it's a nice strawman by the way) But when a blind person can't buy food without worring about getting ripped off, something needs to change.

At the risk of sounding callous... if they can't see the prices anyway, the risk of getting ripped off remains even if the bills are changed. I guess it would reduce the likely hood of a big mistake though (e.g. giving a 100 when they thought it was a 10).

I can't speak for all blind people (I know one), but he can feel text that is printed (as long as it isn't too smooth). Also, asking someone who has no reason to lie (customer in the same part of the store) helps. The thing is most people would not risk their job over a few bucks (hard to tell someone that the box of cookies they bought is worth 100 bucks). The other way is much easier.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker

Originally posted by: ahurtt
And in other news, God rules life unfair and strongly urges his children to STFU, suck it up, and get over it.

EDIT: This is why we have credit cards, debit cards, etc...
Who the fvck uses cash any more in this day and age. I swear whenever I see some stupid bitch in the grocery checkout line (and it's ALWAYS a woman, why is that?) writing a check, I want to walk up there and kick her in the head.

Not simple to check the amount on the little screen if you are blind, also not easy to punch in your pin number. (or even select debit/credit on the machine) And not everything takes credit (although most places do) and sometimes the machine is down.
Cash is still needed, someday it won't be, but today it is.

They have braille on pretty much all ATM and electronic checkout card readers etc these days if you hadn't noticed. And with credit cards, if you find the store overcharged you when your bill comes, you have protection through the credit card company and you can fight the charge whereas with cash you don't have that option.

If blind people insist on using cash they should simply pay in coins (properly wrapped ahead of time of course) and request all their change in coins.

 

[fubar569]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

im with this dude...

seriously...what actually blind person hasn't already made some sort of accomodation on thier own? why is this even an issue?

so now that paper currency is unfair to the blind 7th grade math is unfair to blondes?

seriously...where does this ****** stop?

 

[Mo0o]

Seems like embossing the bills shouldn't be too difficult the implement. I like the fact that all our bills are teh same, so when you stack em they stay organized

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

im with this dude...

seriously...what actually blind person hasn't already made some sort of accomodation on thier own? why is this even an issue?

so now that paper currency is unfair to the blind 7th grade math is unfair to blondes?

seriously...where does this ****** stop?

So I guess we should pull out all the wheel chair ramps then too, and all the handicapped spaces. From now on why don't we just kill any child born with a disability. (See I can make straw men too)

 

[SoftwareEng]

Ideally, canned and bottled drinks would have identifying dots/things on them as well...

 

[UDT89]

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

im with this dude...

seriously...what actually blind person hasn't already made some sort of accomodation on thier own? why is this even an issue?

so now that paper currency is unfair to the blind 7th grade math is unfair to blondes?

seriously...where does this ****** stop?

blind people do have a system.....they fold each denomination different.

its not like this is some new problem. the judge has too much time on his hands and wants to see his name in the news.

This kind of crap will be the downfall of the USA.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

im with this dude...

seriously...what actually blind person hasn't already made some sort of accomodation on thier own? why is this even an issue?

so now that paper currency is unfair to the blind 7th grade math is unfair to blondes?

seriously...where does this ****** stop?

It will never stop in America because there is a fundamental flaw in our very declaration of independence upon which our nations politically correct beliefs are founded:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

Blatant falsehood. Politically correct drivel. Yet people believe it with fevered zeal and will do seemingly insane things to try and make it true.

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

im with this dude...

seriously...what actually blind person hasn't already made some sort of accomodation on thier own? why is this even an issue?

so now that paper currency is unfair to the blind 7th grade math is unfair to blondes?

seriously...where does this ****** stop?

It will never stop in America because there is a fundamental flaw in our very declaration of independence upon which our nations politically correct beliefs are founded:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

Blatant falsehood. Politically correct drivel. Yet people believe it with fevered zeal and will do seemingly insane things to try and make it true.

I agree not all people are created equal (some people are not as smart as others, some can't run fast, ect), but it's really not that hard to emboss the numbers on the bill so blind people can tell what it is. Most blind people live mostly normal lives (other than the fact that they can't see). If we refused to make any accommodations for anyone then Stephen Hawking would probably be in a mental institution instead of coming up with physics theories.