Judge rules paper money unfair to blind

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: tw1164
all the paper money should have a button you can push, then it will announce its value.

what about the deaf AND blind ?

Aren't Euros larger in size as the bill becomes more valuable?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Couldn't we just have different sized bills?

Vision all vending machines obsolete & all self-pay machines obsolete. Vision everything else that relies on money being a constant size. Even banks would have to replace all their money counting equipment. This is never going to happen.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Having actually known a blind guy for the last 10 years, I know this is something that would benefit him. On rare occasions when he would pay for something and didn't have a friend with him, he would have to ask the retailer how much the bill was he was pulling out of his wallet and they would lie to him or give him incorrect change and pocket the difference.

This is why I would not pay for stuff myself if I were blind. You can't see what you're getting or what your spending.

It's not the money that's unfair ... sorry judge ... it's the blindness that's unfair.
The whole world is unfair to blind people. That's kind of the whole point of losing sight. It's not called a handicap for nothing.

The judge is retarded.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

A cashier could still rip off a blind person. Just tell them the total is more than it actually is, give them a piece of leader paper from the receipt paper roll instead of an actual receipt so anyone they know with sight can't spot that they were ripped off.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: txrandom
We should make cars for the blind too..it's only fair.

cars aren't necessary to live.

Neither is cash.

edit: paper money.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Couldn't we just have different sized bills?

You would have to refit every single vending machine that accepted dollar bills to recognize the different bills sizes and denominations.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Couldn't we just have different sized bills?

You would have to refit every single vending machine that accepted dollar bills to recognize the different bills sizes and denominations.

why didnt they just account for this to begin with like sooo many other countries


or is this like the metric system to the US, dont want to change to a better system because its to expensive

 

[Hammerhead]

Just make a small handheld device that reads bills...sort of like how change machines do.
Blind people can just keep it in their pocket and take it along with them

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Couldn't we just have different sized bills?

You would have to refit every single vending machine that accepted dollar bills to recognize the different bills sizes and denominations.

why didnt they just account for this to begin with like sooo many other countries


or is this like the metric system to the US, dont want to change to a better system because its to expensive

It pisses me off when an engineer talks about eights of an inch.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Couldn't we just have different sized bills?

You would have to refit every single vending machine that accepted dollar bills to recognize the different bills sizes and denominations.

why didnt they just account for this to begin with like sooo many other countries

or is this like the metric system to the US, dont want to change to a better system because its to expensive

That's an objective and unbiased statement. :sarcasm;

My vehicle gets gets 4.7 furlongs to a gill, and that's the way I like it, damn it.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is why I would not pay for stuff myself if I were blind. You can't see what you're getting or what your spending.

It's not the money that's unfair ... sorry judge ... it's the blindness that's unfair.
The whole world is unfair to blind people. That's kind of the whole point of losing sight. It's not called a handicap for nothing.

The judge is retarded.

A blind person can't call a friend every time they go to the store. In my friend's case, he was very independent despite being blind. He could click his way to the store all on his own and buy cigarettes, food, etc.

Naturally, having a disability isn't fair. But are you saying that people with handicaps should just suffer even though we can do things to enhance their quality of life?

Imagine a world that held your opinion... no hearing aids, no ocular implants, no wheelchair ramps, no wheelchairs, no speaking software for computers, etc.

 

[BillGates]

I hate blind people.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Just make a small handheld device that reads bills...sort of like how change machines do.
Blind people can just keep it in their pocket and take it along with them

I like the concept of a reader, maybe a step further and bar code the money....retailers could have a bar code reader built into the counter that customers could swipe their money quickly, and perhaps a pocket scanner for locations that haven't upgraded yet.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Just make a small handheld device that reads bills...sort of like how change machines do.
Blind people can just keep it in their pocket and take it along with them

I like the concept of a reader, maybe a step further and bar code the money....retailers could have a bar code reader built into the counter that customers could swipe their money quickly, and perhaps a pocket scanner for locations that haven't upgraded yet.

Or blind people could use a credit card.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Just make a small handheld device that reads bills...sort of like how change machines do.
Blind people can just keep it in their pocket and take it along with them

I like the concept of a reader, maybe a step further and bar code the money....retailers could have a bar code reader built into the counter that customers could swipe their money quickly, and perhaps a pocket scanner for locations that haven't upgraded yet.

They have those in Canada and design the currency to be used with them.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
This is why I would not pay for stuff myself if I were blind. You can't see what you're getting or what your spending.

It's not the money that's unfair ... sorry judge ... it's the blindness that's unfair.
The whole world is unfair to blind people. That's kind of the whole point of losing sight. It's not called a handicap for nothing.

The judge is retarded.

A blind person can't call a friend every time they go to the store. In my friend's case, he was very independent despite being blind. He could click his way to the store all on his own and buy cigarettes, food, etc.

Naturally, having a disability isn't fair. But are you saying that people with handicaps should just suffer even though we can do things to enhance their quality of life?

Imagine a world that held your opinion... no hearing aids, no ocular implants, no wheelchair ramps, no wheelchairs, no speaking software for computers, etc.

Not only can we do it, we can do it pretty easily.

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Or blind people could use a credit card.

Which would make it easier for a store to rip them off for even more money - how is a blind person going to know if the person punched in the right amount on the credit card machine? Not to mention there are times when you can't use a credit card.

 

[Fern]

And some say there are no "activist judges" :disgust:

I think this judge is an idiot. Putting "holes" in bills to let the blind know its denomination? That'd be sooo easy to "fake" and rip off the blind who relied upon it.

Brail? Thst'd be easy to "fake" as well.

Yes, other countries use different size bills to help the visually impaired. Yes, it would be expensive to impliment. Every cash register drawer in the USA would have to be replaced. Some vending machines etc. All bill "counting" machines in banks would have to be replaced etc.

Even with different size denominations, blind people still can't tell if a bill is counterfiet. All detection methods rely upon sight AFAIK.

Thus, the whole concept of currency is "unfair" to blind people and must be discontinued immediately!!!!

Also credit cards - how can a blind person "read" the reciept (or screen) at checkout? This must also be stopped!

This judge is an idiot,

Fern

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Exterous
Words

I would argue "living" isn't merely "existing" but requires some sort of purpose and ambition.

The point I'm trying to make, as well as the judge who ruled on the case, is that one shouldn't be forced to depend on the generiousity and goodwill of others in order to go on with their everyday lives. All of these situations that you've described would classify the blind as inherently infirm and disrespect an otherwise potentially successful and productive life (not that I'm putting words in your mouth -- forgive me if it comes off this way). The USA has been historically slow in adopting progressive views for minorities (see: slavery) but they do eventually and successfully enter the mainstream conscience, often times through the judicial system.

Well, the dictionary supports both interpretations of 'living' so I guess we will have to leave off that argument there. I don't know if the situation would result in an "infirm' judgment - but this is perhaps getting aside from my main argument which is that paper money isn't a 'necessity' to live by any definition. With the joys of direct deposit and a debit card it is entirely possible to hold down a job, maintain an income, pay bills (such as rent) and purchase goods in most areas of the country. I propose that these qualifications removes paper money from the 'necessity' list for 'living'.

Now - to get to my actual stance on the issue:
With my current view being that paper money isn't a necessity for living I am all for a redesign as long as it does not cause undue-financial burden on either the government (and therefore the taxpayer) or corporations (through the refurbishment of bill accepting machines and automated checkouts. As for what 'undue' means.....I don't know yet - I'd guess I'd have to see the proposals and their associated cost before I made that decision

Having read your argument, I agree with it in whole.

I believe that cash money isn't a necessity to live and that it should be redesigned as long as it doesn't cause undue harm.

You might want to close your parenthesis in your last paragraph, however.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: CarlKillerMiller
I'd have to agree with the braille dots idea, it's the one that I think would be hardest to tamper with without having to modify the money much. And to those who don't think it'll be expensive: the treasury will have to recall all paper money in circulation and replace it with handicapped-accessible money, right?

Out money is continually being taking in and out of circulation - think of the last time you saw a 90's 20 dollar bill.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: daniel1113
What about blind people that have also lost both of their hands? We can't discriminate against them by using braille.

Are you retarded?

Can you answer the question? What is the limit?

Your slippery slop argument has not validity.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Or blind people could use a credit card.

Which would make it easier for a store to rip them off for even more money - how is a blind person going to know if the person punched in the right amount on the credit card machine? Not to mention there are times when you can't use a credit card.

1) The credit card statement will confirm the amount charged.
2) The credit card company will deny payment to the store if the charge was fraudulent, and certainly fire the employee who rang up the transaction.
3) Most every store accepts credit cards nowadays. Heck, I get funny looks from some cashiers when I pay in cash, because they're not used to giving out change.

So tell me exactly which part of using credit cards is worse than using cash. The cashier CANNOT steal money from a person in a credit card transaction. They can in a cash transaction. If anyone were to get anything from it, it would be the store owner, not the cashier, which they can't anyways because the credit card company would reverse the charge.

Seriously. :roll:

 

[Ryan]

Seriously - what is wrong with you people? Are you so unhappy with the quality of your own lives, that you have to look down on the blind? Implementing some kind of tactile clue for blind people is cheap and easy to implement, and I'm certain would bring at least more independence to these people. We have a large population that is blind, and this is a feature that would help them. If Canada can successfully implement it - why can't we? What is wrong with this initiative as a whole?

I bet wheel chair ramps must really piss you people off too :roll:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Or blind people could use a credit card.

Which would make it easier for a store to rip them off for even more money - how is a blind person going to know if the person punched in the right amount on the credit card machine? Not to mention there are times when you can't use a credit card.

1) The credit card statement will confirm the amount charged.
2) The credit card company will deny payment to the store if the charge was fraudulent, and certainly fire the employee who rang up the transaction.
3) Most every store accepts credit cards nowadays. Heck, I get funny looks from some cashiers when I pay in cash, because they're not used to giving out change.

So tell me exactly which part of using credit cards is worse than using cash. The cashier CANNOT steal money from a person in a credit card transaction. They can in a cash transaction. If anyone were to get anything from it, it would be the store owner, not the cashier, which they can't anyways because the credit card company would reverse the charge.

Seriously. :roll:

I'll give you the first two, but there are still plenty of stores that don't take credit cards, mostly non-chains. What blows my mind is that people are so intent on making a point of NOT accomodating blind people when it is an easy thing to do. That deserves an eye roll. :roll:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Seriously - what is wrong with you people? Are you so unhappy with the quality of your own lives, that you have to look down on the blind? Implementing some kind of tactile clue for blind people is cheap and easy to implement, and I'm certain would bring at least more independence to these people. We have a large population that is blind, and this is a feature that would help them. If Canada can successfully implement it - why can't we? What is wrong with this initiative as a whole?

I bet wheel chair ramps must really piss you people off too :roll:

It's the anti-PC attitude of ATOT that I mentioned above. Anything that can be viewed as politically correct is inherently bad.

 

[BigJ]

As long as it's cheap, go right ahead.