Judge rules paper money unfair to blind

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Reminds me of Ray where he had people pay him in one dollar bills so he can keep track of how many bills he was getting.

I was reminded of that too. The biggest trouble for blinds is that they can easily be cheated out of their money.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: bobdelt
some of these ideas have been so stupid.... just make it different sizes like most countries...

That's the worst idea of the lot. Wallets are a certain size, change machines accept bills of a certain size, money envelopes are a certain size...need I go on? Changing sizes would be the single most expensive thing the government could do and would require everyone in the country to make changes.

Most expensive and everyone is quite the over statement.

Ok, of the suggestions in this thread so far, changing size would be the most expensive. Better?

Pretty much everyone WOULD be impacted. New wallets, adaptation to new currency, anyone who's business comes into contact with paper money (ie most people), etc. I think the statement was fairly accurate.

Go braille. Simple, less expensive, almost zero impact.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
What about blind people that have also lost both of their hands? We can't discriminate against them by using braille.

Are you retarded?

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Eska
What about people who have nerve system malfunction that can't feel?!
What about people who have no hands?!?!
What about people who have no monay?!?!?!?!

Stop discriminating people!!!!

Flavored bills?

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
I cant think of any good way for them to implement ways to distinguish different denominations of cash...

Some things that came to mind were the holes, but that would be too easy to modify. They could cut the side of the money in different patterns, but they would have to implement a whole new manufacturing process or step to do that, and new designs for the money. And people could still modify that... Another is dimples, but those would wear out over time.

Same way as the Euro... Different sizes for each denomination. No funny shapes or reproducable holes to worry about.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: daniel1113
What about blind people that have also lost both of their hands? We can't discriminate against them by using braille.

Are you retarded?

Can you answer the question? What is the limit?

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Daniel1113,
What exact problem do you have with helping out the vision impaired? By pulling out a situation that is so remote you just come off like a jackass. Jesus.... just hope that you are one of your kids don't go blind.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
I cant think of any good way for them to implement ways to distinguish different denominations of cash...

Some things that came to mind were the holes, but that would be too easy to modify. They could cut the side of the money in different patterns, but they would have to implement a whole new manufacturing process or step to do that, and new designs for the money. And people could still modify that... Another is dimples, but those would wear out over time.

Same way as the Euro... Different sizes for each denomination. No funny shapes or reproducable holes to worry about.

Ugh.. why do people keep suggesting changing the sizes of all currency?? It's the dumbest idea of them all. Just put durable braile dots on the bills and be done with it. :roll:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

 

[IamElectro]

I would be for holes or embossing.Changing bill sizes has to be the most ridiculous idea on the planet. That would mean every cash register would need a new drawer and vending machine that accepts bills would need major fixes to handle the differnt sizes.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: daniel1113
What about blind people that have also lost both of their hands? We can't discriminate against them by using braille.

Are you retarded?

Can you answer the question? What is the limit?

The answer is in the article:

He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an "undue burden" on the government

It seems that the line is drawn when accomodating people creates an undue burden.

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Daniel1113,
What exact problem do you have with helping out the vision impaired? By pulling out a situation that is so remote you just come off like a jackass. Jesus.... just hope that you are one of your kids don't go blind.

Seriously. People on this forum are so intent on being anti-PC that they don't even put much thought into these things.

Case in point:

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Boo fvcking hoo. If I don't have any arms then I guess shirts are unfairly designed for me aren't they...:roll:

 

[JACKHAMMER]

THe US Tresurary has already taken steps to make money more accessible.....that is why the new bills have the big ole' huge numbers on them. It really would be a simple accomodation to make, so there is no reason NOT to do it. The fact of the matter is with the baby boomers getting older (and developing macular degeneration at an alarming rate), there are going to need to be many visual adaptations made, after all one point to having goverment is to provide for it's citizens.

You go to the store blindfolded and trust the cashier to give you the correct change, do YOU have that kind of trust??? Why should a visually impaired person need to be trusting of all the jackholes (like several of u) out there??? I've seen a blind person ripped off more than once....remember we're talking about MONEY, people's income here, EVERYONE has a right to access/see there damn money. It's not like asking for acessible cars....don't be assinine.

And just as an FYI, it would most likely be best (fom a disability stand point) to make different sizes as opposed to Braille, Braille dots can be rubbed down.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Daniel1113,
What exact problem do you have with helping out the vision impaired? By pulling out a situation that is so remote you just come off like a jackass. Jesus.... just hope that you are one of your kids don't go blind.

It's called "tongue-in-cheek". Learn it, live it, love it.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: dquan97
Judge says Treasury Department is violating the law by keeping all money the same size and feel.
November 28 2006: 6:10 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A federal judge has ruled that the U.S. Treasury Department is violating the law by failing to design and issue currency that is readily distinguishable to blind and visually impaired people.

Judge James Robertson, in a ruling on a suit by the American Council of the Blind, ordered the Treasury to devise a method to tell bills apart.

The judge wrote that the current configuration of paper money violates the Rehabilitation Act's guarantee of "meaningful access."

"It can no longer be successfully argued that a blind person has 'meaningful access' to currency if she cannot accurately identify paper money without assistance," Robertson wrote in his ruling.

He further ruled that finding a solution to the problem would not be an "undue burden" on the government and ordered the Treasury Department to begin working on a solution within 30 days.
The American Council for the Blind has submitted several alternatives, including embossing, holes punched in the paper or using different-sized bills for different denominations.

The Treasury Department had no comment on the ruling.

seriously, does his power reaches the treasury dept. and order them to do something? what if he said that the green on the dollar is bad and the TD must change the color? i dont think he can... but i could be wrong.

Do you understand what a judge does? Congress passes laws, judges interpret them. Congress passed this "Rehabilitation Act," and the judge ruled that the Rehabilitation Act's provision of meaningful access applied to the treasury department in this case. Judges can't just make up whatever laws they want.

Unless they're in the 9th circuit....

 

[PhlashFoto]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Killerme33
Cater to the majority of people who aren't blind. If you're blind carry around a scanner that will tell them the value of the bill.

Yeah, who cares if making money more accessible to blind people would be inexpensive and easy to do - they're a minority, they don't matter.

You aren't important either. I can assure you.

 

[HermDogg]

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
THe US Tresurary has already taken steps to make money more accessible.....that is why the new bills have the big ole' huge numbers on them. It really would be a simple accomodation to make, so there is no reason NOT to do it. The fact of the matter is with the baby boomers getting older (and developing macular degeneration at an alarming rate), there are going to need to be many visual adaptations made, after all one point to having goverment is to provide for it's citizens.

You go to the store blindfolded and trust the cashier to give you the correct change, do YOU have that kind of trust??? Why should a visually impaired person need to be trusting of all the jackholes (like several of u) out there??? I've seen a blind person ripped off more than once....remember we're talking about MONEY, people's income here, EVERYONE has a right to access/see there damn money. It's not like asking for acessible cars....don't be assinine.

And just as an FYI, it would most likely be best (fom a disability stand point) to make different sizes as opposed to Braille, Braille dots can be rubbed down.

How did they get to the damn store? Sure, some blind people probably walk with their dogs, but use Debit cards. It's got to be the easiest way for everyone.

 

[fatkorean]

I have a question... for debit cards and credit card transactions, how do they know exactly how much they paid at that moment? Would we need to get new types of reciepts that will allow blind people to know how much they paid for? Whats the difference between this and cash considering a lot of people are using way less cash and more cards.

-fk

 

[allisolm]

From the judge: "Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations," Robertson wrote. "More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired."

Looks like we need to get with the program.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: txrandom
We should make cars for the blind too..it's only fair.

cars aren't necessary to live.

 

[sswingle]

People still use cash?

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: txrandom
We should make cars for the blind too..it's only fair.

cars aren't necessary to live.

I would make the argument that paper money isn't a necessity. Food, shelter and clothing are necessities. Money certainly helps get these things and is the most direct route - but cash is only a sub-category of money. People lived successfully before the invention of money and continue to do so

That being said - I'm surprised this issue hasn't come up sooner in court. Its a good thing we just redesigned most of the denominations so we can do it again.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: txrandom
We should make cars for the blind too..it's only fair.

and guns with radar.

 

[Exterous]

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Ugh.. why do people keep suggesting changing the sizes of all currency?? It's the dumbest idea of them all. Just put durable braile dots on the bills and be done with it. :roll:

Because Braile dots are easily mimicked, could affect cash machines and really CAN'T be durable on money... do you understand how often money is wadded up, tossed around, ran through the washing machine, trampled and folded? Little bumps would not hold up AT ALL.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: bobdelt
some of these ideas have been so stupid.... just make it different sizes like most countries...

That's the worst idea of the lot. Wallets are a certain size, change machines accept bills of a certain size, money envelopes are a certain size...need I go on? Changing sizes would be the single most expensive thing the government could do and would require everyone in the country to make changes.

Hardly. Either way equipment is going to have to be changed up a bit. You are concerned about wallet size? HAH. I went to Ireland and Scotland in September and not one single bill didn't fit in my wallet just fine, and that's on two different money systems that use two different sizes of bills.

 

[yhelothar]

Bill scanner seems like the best solution so far. Everything else can tampered with to fool unsuspecting blind victims. I guess the size one would take some more imagination, but I'm sure you can fold it some way that the blind person can't feel the folds.