Judge Orders DraftKings and FanDuel To Cease Doing Business in NY State

[monkstah]

This makes sense. NY also can't figure out how to regulate MMA properly. Only state in the country that is silly.

 

[TheSlamma]

They need to cease those fuggin commercials and their dumb promo codes. Just set the promocode to "douche" and leave it that forever

 

[MongGrel]

Hey it just a skill based game, ya know.

 

[SunnyD]

Is there a language barrier problem? They are not a game of chance, they are not anything even close to a lottery. They're like you playing golf against Jordan Spieth, Rory McIlroy and Bubba Watson at the same time with your own money on the line. You're betting, but you have no chance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-wont-win-money-playing-daily-fantasy-sports/

The top 1 percent of players, they found, paid 40 percent of the entry fees but reaped 91 percent of the profits.

That is not a lottery.

Let's see. How does a lottery work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your favorite) numbers
- By chance those random numbers come up and you win
or
- By chance those random numbers don't come up and you lose

How does DFS work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your "favorite") "numbers"
- By chance those "numbers" come up (get good fantasy numbers) and you win
or
- By chance those "numbers" don't come up (get sucky fantasy numbers) and you lose

Technically, DFS has more akin with BINGO than a lottery I'd suppose, but I don't really give two shits how you dice it DFS has more to do with chance than any sort of skill you can ever put into it. The only difference is that it's not truly random.

 

[JujuFish]

Let's see. How does a lottery work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your favorite) numbers
- By chance those random numbers come up and you win
or
- By chance those random numbers don't come up and you lose

How does DFS work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your "favorite") "numbers"
- By chance those "numbers" come up (get good fantasy numbers) and you win
or
- By chance those "numbers" don't come up (get sucky fantasy numbers) and you lose

Technically, DFS has more akin with BINGO than a lottery I'd suppose, but I don't really give two shits how you dice it DFS has more to do with chance than any sort of skill you can ever put into it. The only difference is that it's not truly random.

You're implying that all of the "numbers" in fantasy football have an equal chance of coming up as in a lottery, which is laughably absurd. But sure, keep thinking it's like a lottery.

 

[ElFenix]

Technically, it most definitely is a game of skill. Something like 95% of the money is won by 1.5% of the players.

poker is similar. it's actually a game of skill built on top of a game of chance. there's a reason the same people show up in the final of the world series of poker again and again.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Let's see. How does a lottery work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your favorite) numbers
- By chance those random numbers come up and you win
or
- By chance those random numbers don't come up and you lose

How does DFS work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your "favorite") "numbers"
- By chance those "numbers" come up (get good fantasy numbers) and you win
or
- By chance those "numbers" don't come up (get sucky fantasy numbers) and you lose

Technically, DFS has more akin with BINGO than a lottery I'd suppose, but I don't really give two shits how you dice it DFS has more to do with chance than any sort of skill you can ever put into it. The only difference is that it's not truly random.

ROFLMAO!!

Coming from most people I'd think that was just a really really clumsy troll attempt because it's hard to believe anyone could possibly be stupid enough to make that comparison like it helped their case. But coming from you, you could possibly be stupid enough to think that was a valid point.

 

[SketchMaster]

This is topical: https://youtu.be/Mq785nJ0FXQ?t=15m20s

 

[Brainonska511]

poker is similar. it's actually a game of skill built on top of a game of chance. there's a reason the same people show up in the final of the world series of poker again and again.

Or like horse racing, where you can still use "skill" to pick out who is likely to win, but whether you win or not is still based on something completely out of your control. Either way, it's still gambling, and under NYS Law (NYS Penal Code, Article 225.0):


1. "Contest of chance" means any contest, game, gaming scheme or gaming device in which the outcome depends in a material degree upon an element of chance, notwithstanding that skill of the contestants may also be a factor therein.
2. "Gambling." A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.


So a player of daily fantasy is putting money down where the chance of a payout is directly dependent on events outside of their control. And even though there may be "skill" involved in picking players, that is not relevant, as the outcome is still substantially dependent on elements outside the player's control.

 

[purbeast0]

Let's see. How does a lottery work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your favorite) numbers
- By chance those random numbers come up and you win
or
- By chance those random numbers don't come up and you lose

How does DFS work?
- You pay an entry fee
- You pick (seeded-random, aka your "favorite") "numbers"
- By chance those "numbers" come up (get good fantasy numbers) and you win
or
- By chance those "numbers" don't come up (get sucky fantasy numbers) and you lose

Technically, DFS has more akin with BINGO than a lottery I'd suppose, but I don't really give two shits how you dice it DFS has more to do with chance than any sort of skill you can ever put into it. The only difference is that it's not truly random.

you clearly have no clue how fantasy sports work and are played.

 

[foghorn67]

ROFLMAO!!

Coming from most people I'd think that was just a really really clumsy troll attempt because it's hard to believe anyone could possibly be stupid enough to make that comparison like it helped their case. But coming from you, you could possibly be stupid enough to think that was a valid point.

Does his argument deserve the personal insults? Geesh.
Skill or luck, its gambling.

You're one wound up ball of anxiety.
Try wine and paint or poetry reading. If your state allows it, smoke some pot.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Does his argument deserve the personal insults? Geesh.
Skill or luck, its gambling.

You're one wound up ball of anxiety.
Try wine and paint or poetry reading. If your state allows it, smoke some pot.

This your first day here? Yeah, if you're on a mission to prove that you are perhaps the stupidest person on the face of the Earth then someone is eventually going to notice and laugh at you. If you want a pat on the head and a cookie for proving you don't know how to tie your own shoes, go back to kindergarten.


As for you, put down the pot and the booze once in a while so that you can stop using them as an excuse for your piss-poor reading comprehension. Nobody is claiming that it's not gambling. It's just not a freaking lottery and anyone that thinks it's even remotely close to being a lottery is monumentally braindead. The end.

 

[foghorn67]

This your first day here? Yeah, if you're on a mission to prove that you are perhaps the stupidest person on the face of the Earth then someone is eventually going to notice and laugh at you. If you want a pat on the head and a cookie for proving you don't know how to tie your own shoes, go back to kindergarten.


As for you, put down the pot and the booze once in a while so that you can stop using them as an excuse for your piss-poor reading comprehension. Nobody is claiming that it's not gambling. It's just not a freaking lottery and anyone that thinks it's even remotely close to being a lottery is monumentally braindead. The end.

Wow. Lol. You needed a whole paragraph to satisfy your own ego. You're a precious cupcake.

 

[zinfamous]

My TV is on ESPN 99% of the time I'm home. I don't necessarily watch it, but I can hear it.

"GO TO DRAFTKINGS NOW. ENTER PROMOTIONAL CODE: BEER. THAT'S.... BEER"

Among the other 78 "promotional codes" they have.

Where is the gun to the forehead emoji??????

espn is heavily invested into Draft Kings. Considering how they are hemorrhaging money over the last several years, unrelated to Draft Kings....all I have to say is "oops."

 

[zinfamous]

anyway, daily fantasy is absolutely no different than poker. Both are absolutely gambling with a little bit of skill involved.

You can play the algorithm game only for so long before random uncontrollable events wreck you. Say, for instance, the daily fantasy bb championships last year where half of the finals participants were wiped out of contention simply because an unexpected rain-out cancelled a game between, I think, the Royals and the Angels. Yeah, lots of "skill" determined that outcome.

Oops.

Unless an individual fantasy player can display direct control over professional players and their specific performance in a specific game, then they are gambling.

anyone that argues otherwise is being foolish.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Does this mean I'll finally not have to see their commercials every 2 minutes?

Yes please, if only for this reason.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

John Oliver takes down fantasy sports pretty well here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq785nJ0FXQ

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Wow. Lol. You needed a whole paragraph to satisfy your own ego. You're a precious cupcake.

Try Desitin for that case of butthurt.

anyway, daily fantasy is absolutely no different than poker. Both are absolutely gambling with a little bit of skill involved.

1% of the players win more than 90% of the money and in your Bizarro world that is defined as "a little bit of skill"?


It's an almost entirely skill-based gambling game.

 

[Fenixgoon]

anyway, daily fantasy is absolutely no different than poker. Both are absolutely gambling with a little bit of skill involved.

You can play the algorithm game only for so long before random uncontrollable events wreck you. Say, for instance, the daily fantasy bb championships last year where half of the finals participants were wiped out of contention simply because an unexpected rain-out cancelled a game between, I think, the Royals and the Angels. Yeah, lots of "skill" determined that outcome.

Oops.

Unless an individual fantasy player can display direct control over professional players and their specific performance in a specific game, then they are gambling.

anyone that argues otherwise is being foolish.

bingo.

when a basketball player shoots a ball, it is entirely on skill whether the ball goes in or not. the problem is physically deterministic based on the trajectory of the ball, how it hits, or doesn't, the rim or backboard, etc.

when drew brees throws a football, he hits the target every time. this isn't chance, it's skill from practice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoqA-LKGb4

poker and fantasy sports both take some skill, in that it requires knowledge about how certain scenarios are likely to play out. but that's just it, the games are all based on probabilities of certain things happening. chance. thus, they are gambling.

 

[EliteRetard]

Instead of "playing" with/for real money they need to play with/for "limited edition toys". Then create another website where you can buy and sell these rare special edition toys for cash. Of course each one of these "toys" has a very specific value, based on it's "rarity".

 

[Brainonska511]

Instead of "playing" with/for real money they need to play with/for "limited edition toys". Then create another website where you can buy and sell these rare special edition toys for cash. Of course each one of these "toys" has a very specific value, based on it's "rarity".

And that would still be gambling according to NYS law.

2. "Gambling." A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.

 

[SunnyD]

You're implying that all of the "numbers" in fantasy football have an equal chance of coming up as in a lottery, which is laughably absurd. But sure, keep thinking it's like a lottery.

Any given Sunday.

Wasn't Buffalo supposed to win today? Did you have Charles Clay in your fantasy lineup by any chance? Did your skill tell you not to play him because there was a chance he was and did get injured early in the game today?

The daily fantasy sites are a game of chance, not a game of skill. I don't really care though, if you enjoy playing that trash have fun making the employees of those sites rich.

 

[videogames101]

Fucking liberal nanny state becomes are annoying everyday. I'm still not even allowed to play online poker, what a joke.

 

[videogames101]

And that would still be gambling according to NYS law.

2. "Gambling." A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.

Half of the derivatives markets qualify under that definition, just stop.

 

[EliteRetard]

And that would still be gambling according to NYS law.

2. "Gambling." A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.

Well I'm not a mob boss, I don't know the technicalities. I do know such a setup has worked (and still does) in some parts of the world. It helps when the two "companies" are separate. I know there are tons of games with prizes that aren't illegal in the US. I'm sure it can be setup to exploit loopholes.