Judge blocks Obama oil moratorium

spidey07

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Good news indeed. The stop drilling harmed countless of workers unnecessarily as well as crimping supply of oil. The moratorium was nothing more than Obama's attempt to drive up gas cost to cause another "crisis".

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIXWYBTpLtSayJtg41LKXpxSxVPAD9GGG1S80

In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal and corporate leaders said the moratorium would force drilling rigs to leave the Gulf of Mexico for lucrative business in foreign waters.

They said the loss of business would cost the area thousands of lucrative jobs, most paying more than $50,000 a year. The state's other major economic sector, tourism, is a largely low-wage industry.
 

Genx87

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The moratorium was a kneejerk reaction. Now, will congress and Obama have the balls to enact safety regulation and clean up the depts that completely failed in their duty?

Or will they continue to play politics and gain points?
 

piasabird

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This is the ultimate Irony. A judge making a decision against O'Bammah and the most liberal white house staff on the face of the earth. It must be a bummer when you are trying to be the King of the United States and even the liberal judges tell you that you are wrong.
 

Jaskalas

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The moratorium was a kneejerk reaction. Now, will congress and Obama have the balls to enact safety regulation and clean up the depts that completely failed in their duty?

Or will they continue to play politics and gain points?

Democrats will craft a 2,000 page bill, of which 100 pages are the new safety requirements and then they'll attack Republicans for opposing it. Just don't look at the other 1,900 pages of crap that have nothing to do with drilling safety.
 

Balt

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This is the ultimate Irony. A judge making a decision against O'Bammah and the most liberal white house staff on the face of the earth. It must be a bummer when you are trying to be the King of the United States and even the liberal judges tell you that you are wrong.

He was nominated to the US District Court by Ronald Reagan. Stop talking out of your ass.
 

Sclamoz

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This is the ultimate Irony. A judge making a decision against O'Bammah and the most liberal white house staff on the face of the earth. It must be a bummer when you are trying to be the King of the United States and even the liberal judges tell you that you are wrong.

Amazing how a judge stops Obama from doing something and you still try and make it look like he's acting like a tyrant.

There's nothing ironic about the court doing this, its at the core of how our country works.
 
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nageov3t

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This is the ultimate Irony. A judge making a decision against O'Bammah and the most liberal white house staff on the face of the earth. It must be a bummer when you are trying to be the King of the United States and even the liberal judges tell you that you are wrong.
are there any other white house staffs on the face of the earth that you're comparing them against?
 

Munky

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Good news for sure. Also casts further suspicion on Obama and his attempt to use the spill crisis in pursuit of an agenda which does not have the people's best interests in mind.
 

dmcowen674

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Quote:
Originally Posted by piasabird
This is the ultimate Irony. A judge making a decision against O'Bammah and the most liberal white house staff on the face of the earth. It must be a bummer when you are trying to be the King of the United States and even the liberal judges tell you that you are wrong.


He was nominated to the US District Court by Ronald Reagan.

Stop talking out of your ass.

Bahahahahaha
 

mav451

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Lol the metaphor of a bird parroting talk radio...um this is just too much. Bwahaha.
 

ElFenix

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meat of the opinion:
B. Arbitrary and Capricious
The federal moratorium expansively suspends all pending,
current or approved drilling operations of new deepwater wells in
the Gulf of Mexico and in the Pacific for six months. As declared
by the MMS, “deepwater” is defined as depths greater than 500 feet.
The Secretary based his decision on a finding that new deepwater
wells pose an unacceptable risk of serious and irreparable harm to
life and property and a finding that the installation of additional
safety or environmental protection equipment is necessary to
prevent injury or loss of life and damage to property and the
environment. The government also suggests that the Secretary’s
decision was influenced by a concern that the government’s
resources, stretched thin by the oil spill, could not cope with
another blowout were one to occur.

After reviewing the Secretary’s Report, the Moratorium
Memorandum, and the Notice to Lessees, the Court is unable to
divine or fathom a relationship between the findings and the
immense scope of the moratorium. The Report, invoked by the
Secretary, describes the offshore oil industry in the Gulf and
offers many compelling recommendations to improve safety. But it
offers no time line for implementation, though many of the proposed
changes are represented to be implemented immediately. The Report
patently lacks any analysis of the asserted fear of threat of
irreparable injury or safety hazards posed by the thirty-three
permitted rigs also reached by the moratorium. It is incidentspecific
and driven: Deepwater Horizon and BP only. None others.
While the Report notes the increase in deepwater drilling over the
past ten years and the increased safety risk associated with
deepwater drilling, the parameters of “deepwater” remain confused.
And drilling elsewhere simply seems driven by political or social
agendas on all sides. The Report seems to define “deepwater” as
drilling beyond a depth of 1000 feet by referencing the increased
difficulty of drilling beyond this depth; similarly, the shallowest
depth referenced in the maps and facts included in the Report is
“less than 1000 feet.” But while there is no mention of the 500
feet depth anywhere in the Report itself, the Notice to Lessees
suddenly defines “deepwater” as more than 500 feet.

Of course, the present state of the Administrative Record
includes more than the Report, the Notice to Lessees, and the
Memorandum of Moratorium. It includes a great deal of information
consulted by the agency in making its decision. The defendants have
submitted affidavits and some documents that purport to explain the
agency’s decision-making process. The Shallow Water Energy Security
Coalition Presentation attempts at some clarification of the
decision to define “deepwater” as depths greater than 500 feet. It
is undisputed that at depths of over 500 feet, floating rigs must
be used, and the Executive Summary to the Report refers to a
moratorium on drilling using “floating rigs.” Other documents
submitted summarize some of the tests and studies performed. For
example, one study showed that at 3000psi, the shear rams on three
of the six tested rigs failed to shear their samples; in the follow
up study, various ram models were tested on 214 pipe samples and
7.5% were unsuccessful at shearing the pipe below 3000psi. How
these studies support a finding that shear equipment does not work
consistently at 500 feet is incomprehensible. If some drilling
equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are? Are all
airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon
Valdez? All trains? All mines? That sort of thinking seems heavyhanded,
and rather overbearing.

The Court recognizes that the compliance of the thirty-three
affected rigs with current government regulations may be irrelevant
if the regulations are insufficient or if MMS, the government’s own
agent, itself is suspected of being corrupt or incompetent.10
Nonetheless, the Secretary’s determination that a six-month
moratorium on issuance of new permits and on drilling by the
thirty-three rigs is necessary does not seem to be fact-specific
and refuses to take into measure the safety records of those others
in the Gulf.11 There is no evidence presented indicating that the
Secretary balanced the concern for environmental safety with the
policy of making leases available for development. There is no
suggestion that the Secretary considered any alternatives: for
example, an individualized suspension of activities on target rigs
until they reached compliance with the new federal regulations said
to be recommended for immediate implementation. Indeed, the
regulations themselves seem to contemplate an individualized
determination by authorizing the suspension of “all or any part of
a lease or unit area.” 30 C.F.R. §250.168. Similarly, OCSLA permits
suspension of “any operation or activity . . . pursuant to any
lease or permit.” 28 U.S.C. §1334(a)(1). The Court cannot
substitute its judgment for that of the agency, but the agency must
“cogently explain why it has exercised its discretion in a given
manner.” State Farm, 463 U.S. at 48. It has not done so.12

The Deepwater Horizon oil spill is an unprecedented, sad, ugly
and inhuman disaster. What seems clear is that the federal
government has been pressed by what happened on the Deepwater
Horizon into an otherwise sweeping confirmation that all Gulf
deepwater drilling activities put us all in a universal threat of
irreparable harm. While the implementation of regulations and a new
culture of safety are supportable by the Report and the documents
presented, the blanket moratorium, with no parameters, seems to
assume that because one rig failed and although no one yet fully
knows why, all companies and rigs drilling new wells over 500 feet
also universally present an imminent danger.

On the record now before the Court, the defendants have failed
to cogently reflect the decision to issue a blanket, generic,
indeed punitive, moratorium with the facts developed during the
thirty-day review. The plaintiffs have established a likelihood of
successfully showing that the Administration acted arbitrarily and
capriciously in issuing the moratorium.
 
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spidey07

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The plaintiffs have established a likelihood of
successfully showing that the Administration acted arbitrarily and
capriciously in issuing the moratorium.

OWNED. In judge's words this was a knee-jerk reaction and has no merit or relation to the oil spill.
 

theeedude

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No need for moratorium, but require all well operators to preemptively drill relief wells within one or two years or face having to shut down the wells until relief well is finished.
That will create a lot of relief well drilling jobs and improve safety.

Of course the same people bashing Obama for the moratorium will be the first in line to blame him if another well blows.
 
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Basically this judgment was based on "was it fair." Since when have courts started deciding rulings based on that and not things like authority, constitutionality, precedent, etc? I mean considering fairness is great, I'd love to see it happen more often, but it's not even all that strong an argument here, and none of those other things were even hit upon in the ruling.
 

Danube

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OWNED. In judge's words this was a knee-jerk reaction and has no merit or relation to the oil spill.


He also said the gov misled people about experts consulted


"A federal judge in New Orleans halted President Obama's deepwater drilling moratorium on Tuesday, saying the government never justified the ban and appeared to mislead the public in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

He also said the Interior Department also misstated the opinion of the experts it consulted. Those experts from the National Academy of Engineering have said they don't support the blanket ban."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/22/judge-halts-obamas-oil-drilling-ban/

I read about that the other day - a drill stop was added after experts had signed off on report.

"Salazar's May 27 report to President Barack Obama said a panel of seven experts "peer reviewed" his recommendations, which included a six-month moratorium on all ongoing drilling in waters deeper than 500 feet. That prohibition took effect a few days later, but the angry panel members and some others who contributed to the Salazar report said they had only reviewed an earlier version of the Interior secretary's report that suggested a six-month moratorium only on new drilling, and then only in waters deeper than 1,000 feet.


"We broadly agree with the detailed recommendations in the report and compliment the Department of Interior for its efforts," a joint letter from the panelists to various politicians says. "However, we do not agree with the six-month blanket moratorium on floating drilling. A moratorium was added after the final review and was never agreed to by the contributors."

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/experts_seek_to_clarify_their.html
 

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Basically this judgment was based on "was it fair." Since when have courts started deciding rulings based on that and not things like authority, constitutionality, precedent, etc? I mean considering fairness is great, I'd love to see it happen more often, but it's not even all that strong an argument here, and none of those other things were even hit upon in the ruling.


Wut?

There is no
suggestion that the Secretary considered any alternatives: for
example, an individualized suspension of activities on target rigs
until they reached compliance with the new federal regulations said
to be recommended for immediate implementation. Indeed, the
regulations themselves seem to contemplate an individualized
determination by authorizing the suspension of “all or any part of
a lease or unit area.” 30 C.F.R. §250.168.
Similarly, OCSLA permits
suspension of “any operation or activity . . . pursuant to any
lease or permit.” 28 U.S.C. §1334(a)(1). The Court cannot
substitute its judgment for that of the agency, but the agency must
“cogently explain why it has exercised its discretion in a given
manner.” State Farm, 463 U.S. at 48. It has not done so.
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I agree with the ruling in that a shotgun moratorium is much like saying that all air flights need to be grounded because a particular aircraft crashed.

What we need is a commission appointed to find out what happened, what needs to be done and make sure the other wells are operating up to specs.

This needs to be done, but as the judge says it needs to be done on a case by case basis.

Bringing in "constitutionality" is specious.
 

Zebo

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Obama needs to stop playing King and clean his own house, preside over his domain, like actually having the required safety inspections done instead of waiving them
 

spidey07

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Do you really believe that, or do you always just throw those things in there for effect?

Absolutely believe it. It's pretty much fact if you have watched how he operates. I've paid very close attention to this man listening to all his words, watching all his actions. I've got him figured out.
 

cubby1223

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Robert Gibbs gets in front of the podium today and says that we need to wait until we investigate and figure out what went wrong in the B.P. well before we continue any other drilling in the gulf...

Wait, so it's *not* conclusive what happened with B.P.?

But according to congress going after Tony Hayward over waiting for an investigation to complete is ludicrous, to them the facts are all in.

Can't have it both ways guberment.
 

nageov3t

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No need for moratorium, but require all well operators to preemptively drill relief wells within one or two years or face having to shut down the wells until relief well is finished.
That will create a lot of relief well drilling jobs and improve safety.
your icon kinda makes me want to punch you in the face.

but I agree. hopefully Obama is actively working on updating regulations and, if not, I'll have no problem blaming his administration for failing to oversee the oil industry properly.
 

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OK. I don't know US regulations and the balance of power between the executive and the judiciary in that country but how can a mere judge overturn a moratorium edicted by the White House?