Judge beating his daughter on video

[classy]

Fair enough, but you do realize that the "terrorized by father" scenario is much more likely than the "father victimized by his daughter's secret one time recording" scenario.... Right? I mean, really now. You sound like a whackjob conspiracy theorist trying to grasp at anything you can to support your view..

Thats the problem I don't have a view, but you do. I see this as a father in a single instance lose his cool. Albeit 7 years ago.

You see this as a Father Dearest scenario, where he beat her and the mother mercilessly since she was born.

You're the one with the view, not me. I do question strongly for her to wait 7 years to release a video on the internet to condemn her father. If she wanted him to get help, why not show the video to the proper people? But instead she put it on the internet. Now what if this was a rare occurance? What if this is the only time this happened? And what if by her doing this someone blows his brains out. Regardless of the guilt of the father, you have to be pretty stupid not think this young woman had alterior motives for waiting and realeasing this video 7 years later. Not 7 weeks or 7 months, but 7 years.

 

[DrPizza]

7 years? If this was normal behavior, why wait 7 years? Thanks for the genuine talk, but I am okay.

Whenever someone waits that long to tell a story, it usually ain't for nothing.

You think she should have posted the video the next day? Do you think that she wouldn't have been scared to death of the repercussions for something like that? Unless she's stupid, she'd realize that if someone didn't take her into protective custody, the beating she was going to get from her father would have made all previous beatings look like a family picnic.

 

[classy]

She could have just taken it like the little submissive girl classy likes his females to be.

LOL

Oh daddy teaches his girls not to be submissive to men. My oldest would jacked you up and the wife pumps iron. Nah my friend, you clearly have no concept of my household .

 

[zinfamous]

lol wtf is wrong with people ITT.

I think I only got spanked with a belt a few times (I got wooden spoons and hands instead? Heh. One of the spoons actually broke on me too. That was funny.), but it's not that bad. It doesn't leave marks unless you whip with the buckle or have one hell of a hand and hit some place ultra tender.

It stings for a minute, it goes away, you move on.

The girl wasn't crying for several minutes.... The video isn't even more than 8 minutes long. And about 5-6 of those minutes do not even involve the belt being used.

For ATOT, supposedly the epitome of manlihood and godliness, you're all a bunch of wusses.

so again--the only people that have condoned this are the typical social outcasts and morally bankrupt individuals.

figures.

--and you've all pretty much admitted to being abused. This has so clearly done wonders for you, TridenT.

 

[zanejohnson]

LOL

Oh daddy teaches his girls not to be submissive to men. My oldest would jacked you up and the wife pumps iron. Nah my friend, you clearly have no concept of my household .

wait wait... except daddy?


^

the flaw folks..

"MY HOUSEHOLD"

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the flaw folks..

 

[DrPizza]

And what if by her doing this someone blows his brains out. Regardless of the guilt of the father, you have to be pretty stupid not think this young woman had alterior motives for waiting and realeasing this video 7 years later. Not 7 weeks or 7 months, but 7 years.

And, maybe 7 years ago, she was thinking "and what if I show this video to people and it turns out they're friends of my father the judge. And what if my father blows MY brains out." There's no indication that releasing the video was premeditated. All reports and comments coming from her and her mom now indicate that it was released as a result of continued verbal abuse from her father.

 

[classy]

You think she should have posted the video the next day? Do you think that she wouldn't have been scared to death of the repercussions for something like that? Unless she's stupid, she'd realize that if someone didn't take her into protective custody, the beating she was going to get from her father would have made all previous beatings look like a family picnic.

Thats silly. If she had shown that video, they would have placed in her in the care of a family member. You forget she was 16. At 16 in every state I would bet she would be able to decide if she wants to live at home and no one would be able to touch her. She was 16 not 6. In NJ the judge will defer to the child strongly at the age of 11-12 on where they want to live. At 16 she is damn near an adult.

 

[OutHouse]

i call that justified punishment and discipline. it's great though, you see all these threads about slapdick kids screwing around in american classrooms with no discipline, no respect for teachers... administrators and teachers cursing on message boards wishing those all those parents would actually discipline their kids... charter schools skyrocketing and dumbing down the curriculum for kids who just don't listen and screw around all day / got kicked out. then you see the crybabies in this thread crying about a belt whipping from a kid who clearly knew she fucked up. no fists, no blood, no starvation, no throwing the kid into a wall. good hard discipline.

the pussification of america continues.

if you call that justified punishment and discipline then you are a raging asshole. that was 100% child abuse period end of story.

 

[zinfamous]

Watch the video, count the actual seconds of beating, and you'll realize it's not even 3 minutes. I can guarantee that!

Dr. Drew is a bad reference to use. And, I don't know the best way to handle this child, as they are not my child, but everyone is different. Some respond better to whippin's and some don't. I responded to whippin's.

yeah.

you're a real winner now...

 

[Eli]

Thats the problem I don't have a view, but you do. I see this as a father in a single instance lose his cool. Albeit 7 years ago.

You see this as a Father Dearest scenario, where he beat her and the mother mercilessly since she was born.

You're the one with the view, not me. I do question strongly for her to wait 7 years to release a video on the internet to condemn her father. If she wanted him to get help, why not show the video to the proper people? But instead she put it on the internet. Now what if this was a rare occurance? What if this is the only time this happened? And what if by her doing this someone blows his brains out. Regardless of the guilt of the father, you have to be pretty stupid not think this young woman had alterior motives for waiting and realeasing this video 7 years later. Not 7 weeks or 7 months, but 7 years.

OK buddy. We both clearly have views. They seem to be opposite.

Which is more likely? Come on, tell me. Given all of the evidence so far, you think this is normal behavior? There's about a 1% chance that this was a one time event. Probably less. Why would she set up the camera in the first place? That one simple question tells you all you need to know about the probability of this man being some sort've saint.

 

[zinfamous]

i call that justified punishment and discipline. it's great though, you see all these threads about slapdick kids screwing around in american classrooms with no discipline, no respect for teachers... administrators and teachers cursing on message boards wishing those all those parents would actually discipline their kids... charter schools skyrocketing and dumbing down the curriculum for kids who just don't listen and screw around all day / got kicked out. then you see the crybabies in this thread crying about a belt whipping from a kid who clearly knew she fucked up. no fists, no blood, no starvation, no throwing the kid into a wall. good hard discipline.

the pussification of america continues.

why do you like to beat women?

 

[classy]

wait wait... except daddy?


^

the flaw folks..

"MY HOUSEHOLD"

^

the flaw folks..

I am the man of the house. My strength is to defend them and this household, God forbid with me dying and them living. They make their own decisions. If they go way off track, then I gotta bring them back in line. I have grown as a man, husband, and father. I have been through the rigors. A lot of you smacked asses have barely left home and ain't raised a dog, let alone have children and wife depend on you. Stay on topic.

 

[Eli]

I am the man of the house. My strength is to defend them and this household, God forbid with me dying and them living. They make their own decisions. If they go way off track, then I gotta bring them back in line. I have grown as a man, husband, and father. I have been through the rigors. A lot of you smacked asses have barely left home and ain't raised a dog, let alone have children and wife depend on you. Stay on topic.

Who's track? Theirs, or yours? It's sounding more and more like you are this guy. This sounds like something you would say:

"I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child."

What most people here are trying to say is that when a child goes way off track, it isn't necessary to physically beat them. FFS. Like I said, how about you take her internet away? That's what I would do in this situation. You would apparently beat her for several minutes with a belt. That's unacceptable, and is abuse by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You think she should have posted the video the next day? Do you think that she wouldn't have been scared to death of the repercussions for something like that? Unless she's stupid, she'd realize that if someone didn't take her into protective custody, the beating she was going to get from her father would have made all previous beatings look like a family picnic.

Pretty much this. I'm sure she really considered her options, but the problem is, at that age nobody takes you seriously, because 99% of the time it is bluff. In her case it was not, but who knows how it would have been handled.

Though if I would have been her I would probably have tried to do it within months, not years, but at least she did get the courage to release it.

 

[classy]

OK buddy. We both clearly have views. They seem to be opposite.

Which is more likely? Come on, tell me. Given all of the evidence so far, you think this is normal behavior? There's about a 1% chance that this was a one time event. Probably less. Why would she set up the camera in the first place? That one simple question tells you all you need to know about the probability of this man being some sort've saint.

That is the question? Why would setup a camera, deliberately disobey your father, capture the video evidence you wanted, then wait for.................................wait 7 motherfracking years to bring it forward. And just when he is up for re-election.................
Monica Lewinsky kept the dress, didn't she?

Just the fact she wasn't scare to run the sting operation, tells me, this one ain't so innocent.

 

[zinfamous]

In 2004? Of course she did. If it was 1984 then you might have a point. I am just real skeptical about this whole thing. I'll wait to hear what the investigations come up with. Either way no matter what, he is done on the bench. So she got what she wanted. I guess the thing with me is, granted he whopped her ass and maybe he was a lousy father. But to wait and destroy him and your mom after all those years had passed. I don't know about all that. If he was beating her to a bloody pulp or raping her, maybe I could understand some payback. But over this...............

I have a belief of what I think was happening, but it would be speculatory, so I'll just wait to see what the professionals conclude.

what the fuck are you on about?

if you truly were interested in what is going, you'd be reading all the details that are starting to surface

--she doesn't want to destroy his career--she's actually somewhat saddened about what has happened to him (typical of an abuse victim)
--the history of his abuse is long--she didn't just randomly set up the camera to record this, as if it was the first time. Are you serious?
--he and the mother are separated, and have been for some time.

--it is very possible that her intent is to protect whoever is still with him (a younger sister?) her mother, whom he continues to terrorize, or many other things.

--I simply can not fathom why your default assumptions always lean towards the clear victim in this case perpetrating some kind of "fraud" simply to wreck her father.

--why wait 7 years? really? really, you ahve to think more than 2 minutes about this? for fucks sake--she was 15! she had to live with this human ass-stain. so did her mother, and possibly her younger sister.

You clearly have no clue what life is like for battered women--which is what we have here. Getting out of that life is extremely difficult, as monsters like this man instill in them the sense that their abuse is their fault, and they feel completely powerless to leave.

YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE. I'm going to assume something here, simply because you're mind is so god damn warped that you process this situation as a clear fault of the victim:

was your mother battered? Do you batter your wife? Have you battered your daughter?

you see, I wouldn't be surprised if you do, as it would explain so many things about you. Of course, even if you do, you would never realize that you were abusive. Such tiny men convince themselves that they are in the right--that the women in their lives deserve this terror, for making their lives miserable (as this judge has already described his daughter).

You know what--you and al198 need to get together and have a woman-battering party. Then you can maybe live out all of those homoerotic fantasies that you know you have at night, but have always been afraid to address. Such tends to be the case with misogynists and abusers such as yourselves.



I'm done.

 

[Eli]

That is the question? Why would setup a camera, deliberately disobey your father, capture the video evidence you wanted, then wait for.................................wait 7 motherfracking years to bring it forward. And just when he is up for re-election.................
Monica Lewinsky kept the dress, didn't she?

Just the fact she wasn't scare to run the sting operation, tells me, this one ain't so innocent.

He flew off the handle because she downloaded music..

You sound exactly like a conspiracy theorist trying to grasp at straws. Possible, on some far off distant planet? Sure. Likely? No, pretty much slim to none.

You have a pretty fucked up view of the world, it seems. Yes, Lewinsky kept the dress. Of course she did. She knew what she was doing.

There isn't a 16 year old on the planet that would wish this on themselves. That isn't how kids think.

 

[Eos]

7 years? If this was normal behavior, why wait 7 years? Thanks for the genuine talk, but I am okay.

Whenever someone waits that long to tell a story, it usually ain't for nothing.

Yeah, like fear of more beatings.

 

[zinfamous]

Thats silly. If she had shown that video, they would have placed in her in the care of a family member. You forget she was 16. At 16 in every state I would bet she would be able to decide if she wants to live at home and no one would be able to touch her. She was 16 not 6. In NJ the judge will defer to the child strongly at the age of 11-12 on where they want to live. At 16 she is damn near an adult.

you have no idea what her family life is like, where she could have gone, and what kind of cronyism exists in that county with her dad and his buddies--he presides over child abuse cases.

seriously--you actually think her father would tolerate his true nature getting out amongst his buddies--much less them allowing such a scandal to besmirch their noble district?

It baffles me how you don't see how many assumptions and views you hold in this case, yet claim that of everyone else. Further, it disgusts me that your assumptions are made to side with woman batterer.


...takes one to sympathize with one? Oh Noes! Did I just make an assumption based on observation and evidence?!

Oh noes!

 

[JulesMaximus]

I hope there's a special place in hell where ass rapings and severe beatings are the norm for cocksuckers like that. :|

 

[classy]

Who's track? Theirs, or yours? It's sounding more and more like you are this guy. This sounds like something you would say:

"I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child."

What most people here are trying to say is that when a child goes way off track, it isn't necessary to physically beat them. FFS. Like I said, how about you take her internet away? That's what I would do in this situation. You would apparently beat her for several minutes with a belt. That's unacceptable, and is abuse by any stretch of the imagination.

If you are vere fortunate enough to have family you'll understand that your job will be to oversee and jump in when things go wayward. Like when the wifey, bless her heart, maxes out her credit cards, lol, and then hides the bills, hehehehehehehe. And who said I beat my kids with a belt? By the way I haven't. I got 20+ years guy at this. Talk to me in 10. I can completely see how this dude could lose his cool. I got friend, who had a son who all but just ruined their household. They struggled to control and then him and his mother started fist fighting. In the course of the year, she just lost it. She cracked his head open with a frying pan after he got caught shoplifting.

I don't know what the story is here, but I doubt its pretty on either front. The parents have a role, but so do the kids. At 16 there should have been more of a mutual respect. Because in truth, these are two adults. I stopped being the leader when mine was 15. by then all the training is about done. I helped her make her own decisions, but I didn't force her to do anything. But now we can talked about anything, even really private stuff. She'll come to me even before she'll go to her mother. I approach this with a little bit more understanding. I guess because I been there a time or two or three

 

[Eli]

you have no idea what her family life is like, where she could have gone, and what kind of cronyism exists in that county with her dad and his buddies--he presides over child abuse cases.

No shit? I hadn't read that yet. Wow. That's pretty un-fucking-believable.

This guy is a SICK FUCK.

 

[trmiv]

That is the question? Why would setup a camera, deliberately disobey your father, capture the video evidence you wanted, then wait for.................................wait 7 motherfracking years to bring it forward. And just when he is up for re-election.................
Monica Lewinsky kept the dress, didn't she?

Just the fact she wasn't scare to run the sting operation, tells me, this one ain't so innocent.

If you'd take the time to actually read something you'd have read that he isn't up for reelection for three years because he was elected to a four year term last year.

 

[MagickMan]

every single strike was directed towards the buttox / lower region below the waist. sometimes, she tried deflecting by moving her arm in the way. you going to deny that?

it's funny, i've seen caucasian neighbors, one of which worked for the ss, administer loud spankings to disobedient kids that lasted longer than this video. read: bent his kids over his lap and spanked away with a ruler or hand, with the kid crying his ass off. this video is nothing new, nor is it deserving of all the hysteria.

Yes, I'm going to deny that, she fell off the bed and he kept striking her, hitting her above the waist, and he was hitting her arms. Doesn't matter if he was trying to hit her thighs, he shouldn't be hitting them anyway. He was going crazy on her, cussing her out, hitting her when she was on the floor. The guy is a piece of shit.

I can't believe you're still defending this, you sick bastard.

 

[irishScott]

so which part of post #243 directed at you is incorrect? again, since you missed it or flat out ignored it, if you fucked up and got disciplined for it, especially below the waist, as is what happened in the video, then you have no right to "break your father's arm" as you stated earlier in post #222. following?

i haven't read or seen your real life story, and don't really care to, because "i don't give two shits" about you. and pissed off? hardly. you and many others seem to have taken the video personally and have been raging, but have completely glanced over what it's truly showing. discipline with a belt below the waist. grow up.

You seem quite angry right now, and for not giving two shits about me you did just repeat yourself. I've made my point in previous posts on the very page as the quoted, which you obviously don't care to read. Which is fine, but being willfully ignorant is your problem. Don't expect me to spoon-feed you like your parents obviously did; a little too much or too little I gather.