Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

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ch33zw1z

ch33zw1z

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MrSquished said:
Oh fuck off you bloodlusting racist scumbag. The justice system has failed in countless cases, people exonerated after decades in prison or after the death penalty, and so many miscarriages of justice on every level of offense.

The fact I have to share oxygen with you is insulting to decency and intelligence.
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In his case, he agrees with the outcome so the just system worked. Two time trump voters who consistently defended all the bullshit for the last 10 years aren’t to be taken seriously. Mentally defective.
 
HomerJS

HomerJS

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pcgeek11 said:
No, The Justice System worked exactly like it was supposed to. You just don't agree or like with the results.
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In the example I gave where a woman slaps a guy in a plane accusing him of stealing her phone is he within his rights to choke her until dead?
 
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Indus

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pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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HomerJS said:
In the example I gave where a woman slaps a guy in a plane accusing him of stealing her phone is he within his rights to choke her until dead?
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No, he would not. She should however be held accountable for assault.

Penny didn't intend to kill Neely either. It was an sad accident.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
No, he would not. She should however be held accountable for assault.

Penny didn't intend to kill Neely either. It was an sad accident.
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But what if he just put her in a choke hold for 6 minutes to restrain this violent person, and she died?

It's justified then right?
 
pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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MrSquished said:
But what if he just put her in a choke hold for 6 minutes to restrain this violent person, and she died?

It's justified then right?
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Not if he had the intent to kill her, No.

It appears that he had his retribution when he hit her back.
 
HomerJS

HomerJS

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pcgeek11 said:
No, he would not. She should however be held accountable for assault.

Penny didn't intend to kill Neely either. It was an sad accident.
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Penny was TRAINED in applying chokeholds. He knew what to do. MMA fighters use chokeholds all the time without killing.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
Not if he had the intent to kill her, No.

It appears that he had his retribution when he hit her back.
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Right so if he put her in a chokehold for 6 minutes, well after she had become unresponsive, and after multiple passengers had told him to stop, it would still have been justified right?
 
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MrSquished said:
Right so if he put her in a chokehold for 6 minutes, well after she had become unresponsive, and after multiple passengers had told him to stop, it would still have been justified right?
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If she were raging and threatening to harm other persons in the area. Then he only attempted to control her and hold her for the police it would have been an accident. IMO

Do you think Penny purposely murdered Neely.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
If she were raging and threatening to harm other persons in the area. Then he only attempted to control her and hold her for the police it would have been an accident. IMO

Do you think Penny purposely murdered Neely.
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Why would she have to be threatening other people? She was raging and literally assaulted HIM, so it would just be self-defense if he put her in a choke hold for 6 minutes - well after she was unresponsive and when bystanders said it's been long enough. Neely did not actually assault anyone, I mean a literal assault is worse than saying mean shit right? Justified right?

Why do you keep obfuscating - it's a really simple question.

So yes or no - justified homicide in this case of that woman?
 
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pcgeek11 said:
If she were raging and threatening to harm other persons in the area. Then he only attempted to control her and hold her for the police it would have been an accident. IMO

Do you think Penny purposely murdered Neely.
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Cutting off someone's ability to breathe for 6 minutes using your arm around their neck is a pretty purposeful act that will generally result in death.

Not sure how you could even remote describe that as an "accident".
 
pcgeek11

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MrSquished said:
Why do you keep obfuscating - it's a really simple question.

So yes or no - justified homicide in this case of that woman?
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I already answered you.

If he was intending to kill her by chocking her out it wouldn't be justified.
 
MrSquished

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pcgeek11 said:
I already answered you.

If he was intending to kill her by chocking her out it wouldn't be justified.
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I already said he would just trying to be restraining her in a choke hold. For six minutes, well after she stopped responding, while bystanders said that might be enough. But she dies. Just like what happened to Neely, except he didn't assault anyone. So why can't you just say it would be justified.
 
pcgeek11

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brycejones said:
Cutting off someone's ability to breathe for 6 minutes using your arm around their neck is a pretty purposeful act that will generally result in death.

Not sure how you could even remote describe that as an "accident".
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Okay.
 
MrSquished

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brycejones said:
Cutting off someone's ability to breathe for 6 minutes using your arm around their neck is a pretty purposeful act that will generally result in death.

Not sure how you could even remote describe that as an "accident".
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It's only an accident when it's a poor homeless black guy. we all know the answer.
 
HomerJS

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pcgeek11 said:
Penny wasn't an MMA Fighter.
He was only a Marine.
So you think he had an intent to murder Neely?
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MMA fighter was an example. Stop being obtuse.

Suppose I was at a public pool and someone was grabbing girls asses. To get him to stop I held his head underwater for the same 6 minutes. Could I claim I didn’t mean to kill him?

Someone trained in a chokehold knows applying for 6 minutes will likely result in death. Just like a layman knows holding someone underwater for 6 minutes will likely result in death.
 
pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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HomerJS said:
MMA fighter was an example. Stop being obtuse.

Suppose I was at a public pool and someone was grabbing girls asses. To get him to stop I held his head underwater for the same 6 minutes. Could I claim I didn’t mean to kill him?

Someone trained in a choke hold knows applying for 6 minutes will likely result in death. Just like a layman knows holding someone underwater for 6 minutes will likely result in death.
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No, that is stupid. Underwater for 6 minutes is sure death.

You can hold someone in a headlock to restrain them and not impede breathing nor blood flow to the brain.

We disagree, fine. I can live with it and obviously so can the court and the jury of his peers.
 
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ch33zw1z

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pcgeek11 said:
No, that is stupid. Underwater for 6 minutes is sure death.

You can hold someone in a headlock to restrain them and not impede breathing nor blood flow to the brain.

We disagree, fine. I can live with it and obviously so can the court and the jury of his peers.
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Too bad the marines didn’t teach him headlocks.
 
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