Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

[Indus]

Felix I truly hope you get help for whatever your mental illness is.

Just wait for him to flail and then normal peeps will accidently choke him while they're waiting for cops to get there!

Oh no wait.. then it'll be a racist crime against white supremacists!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Just wait for him to flail and then normal peeps will accidently choke him while they're waiting for cops to get there!

Oh no wait.. then it'll be a racist crime against white supremacists!

You sound like a street performer. Remember, dont attack innocent bystanders. Keep your show tame.

 

[brycejones]

You sound like a street performer. Remember, dont attack innocent bystanders. Keep your show tame.

Now we know Felix “performs” on the street.

 

[MrSquished]

Felix I truly hope you get help for whatever your mental illness is.

It's called republicanism and it's not very curable, at least not in time to save the rest of us from their sickness

 

[FelixDeCat]

Now we know Felix “performs” on the street.

Here is brycejones performing his street act:

edit: At 2:32 he starts harassing people passing by

 

[WelshBloke]

The guy was trained to do exactly what he did.
No one else bothered.
His Soldier instinct to protect citizens fired off.

Pretty certain that isn't what we train soldiers to do.
Soldiers jobs aren't to protect citizens. Soldiers jobs are to blow shit up and put holes in everything else.
It's why we try to separate them from civilians in the field.

 

[WelshBloke]

That and there was no intent to kill him, much less hurt him, only to stop Neely from hurting others as he was flailing till the cops got there.

As I understood it he was unconscious within seconds of the hold and probably dead for most of it.

 

[MrSquished]

The guy had a rap sheet and he had an assault on there but no serious violence. He needed help, and didn't deserve to die. I'm not condoning people verbally harassing people as they just try to go about their day, but the punishment is not vigilante death by choking.

The fact a lot of people are quasi justifying this is sick, but shows how so many people become things like Nazis. Of which we know Felix is. I've seen a shit ton of justifying this murder on the Internet. Humanity is perfectly capable of being evil.

 

[fskimospy]

As someone else mentioned this standard means a ton of drunken frat bros should probably be strangled to death every weekend.

 

[nOOky]

This is what conservatives want. They won't do anything about mental illness in this country or violent gun deaths. Ideally then every mentally ill person just gets choked to death and we can honor the hero that did it. The only thing better would be if he was simply shot repeatedly, but this way is more manly.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Nobody involved believes Daniel Penny intended to murder anyone.

Except perhaps you. Perhaps read the full op before posting spin.


Daniel Penny tried to control the situation. Marines are not trained to control situations. They receive an entirely different type of training. The outcome is sad, but lets not ignore what the dead man said:

"big life sentence"
"it doesn’t even matter if I died"

To a reasonable person, that sounds like the prelude to an act of mass violence. Mass shooting. Etc. They happen every day in this country. Daniel Penny is in a NY subway car, most people are not going to flee effectively. Daniel Penny is likely one of those unable to flee effectively. With the information presented to him, the least bad choice is to engage and neutralize the threat to everyone on the subway car, as he was trained.

I am no legal expert, but based off of that, I question if their is a jury of New York subway riders that are going to be found that are going to convict Daniel Penny of anything.

So aggressive speech is now grounds to kill someone? It is said that there was a verbal dispute between them, and it turned into a physical altercation... Who turned it into a physical altercation is the question? Was it the marine who is trained to fight and kill, because he felt threatened by words? Or was it the 30 year old mentally ill man? Why did the marine even get into a discussion with the guy? Because he was aggressively talking to himself, and the marine didn't like it? To many unanswered questions..

 

[skyking]

If people on the train were afraid of being physically harmed, rather than just uncomfortable - that changes the situation. Need more info from actual passengers.

No it does not. He talked loud and scared me, so we are justified as a group to kill him?

 

[MrSquished]

This is what conservatives want. They won't do anything about mental illness in this country or violent gun deaths. Ideally then every mentally ill person just gets choked to death and we can honor the hero that did it. The only thing better would be if he was simply shot repeatedly, but this way is more manly.

As long as the victim is not one of them of course

 

[eelw]

So aggressive speech is now grounds to kill someone? It is said that there was a verbal dispute between them, and it turned into a physical altercation... Who turned it into a physical altercation is the question? Was it the marine who is trained to fight and kill, because he felt threatened by words? Or was it the 30 year old mentally ill man? Why did the marine even get into a discussion with the guy? Because he was aggressively talking to himself, and the marine didn't like it? To many unanswered questions..

Nope. No interaction between them. He came up from behind and that was it.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Pretty certain that isn't what we train soldiers to do.
Soldiers jobs aren't to protect citizens. Soldiers jobs are to blow shit up and put holes in everything else.
It's why we try to separate them from civilians in the field.

There are different kinds of soldiers, and it is highly dependent on branch. All marines are trained to kill with their bare hands, they are trained in various fighting techniques in boot camp (17 techniques I believe). Marine training is one of the most brutal and mentally challenging programs out of all the branches. Marine are mentally fucked with on a higher or rather deeper level, go thru much higher aggressive physical training program, and have a much more in-depth combat training (physical and arms) than any other branch of the Military. They basically tear you apart and rebuild you both mentally and physically in the Marines.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Nope. No interaction between them. He came up from behind and that was it.

Hmm one of the articles says:

"Further investigation revealed the 30-year-old was involved in a verbal dispute with the 24-year-old male and it escalated into a physical altercation," the spokesperson said in a phone call. "During the physical struggle between the two males, the 30-year-old male lost consciousness."

So it appears there was some interaction, but it does sound like the marine is the one who turned it into a physical altercation. It's also very possible the "verbal dispute" was actually an argument with himself, and didn't involve the Marine.

 

[MrSquished]

you could justify literally just shooting on sight any anti-abortion protestor verbally harassing women as they go to exercise their basic healthcare rights with this logic.

I say we start and see what the right-wing trash think.

 

[zinfamous]

Too many people with mental problems on the streets, attacking innocent bystanders. This person was one of them according to eye witness accounts. Did the defender go to far defending them? Definitely. But let a jury of his peers decide.

I see crazy people everywhere. I call them "street performers". They are crazy people just standing in an intersection jumping up and down waving and screaming at passerbys, making faces, doing dances, jumping in front of traffic ...anything for attention.

When they get no attention they get violent. Hopefully the police are there to take them to county hospitals for mental treatment.


My brother went to a county hospital not too long ago for a broken ankle. It was filled with crazy people. Lots of them who did not want to be discharged, most were on mental drugs like Prozac, etc.

My brother said lots of people had to be ejected by hospital cops because they refused to leave. Others had to be tied up in beds and given their mental drugs.

Total craziness these days.


This is not an isolated incident. Sometimes these crazies get guns and go on killing sprees. I blame over population. It is sad but true and there is not much we can do about it.

It's all happening because of you and every other asshole POS that voted for Reagan and continues to vote for GOP terrorists. This is specifically and inarguably why we have these exact problems that you claim to hate, yet unfailingly support every time you're presented with the choice at the ballot box.

You are the problem. You should choose how best to fix that problem if you are honest that you want to see these problems addressed.

 

[Ajay]

No it does not. He talked loud and scared me, so we are justified as a group to kill him?

I should have said 'could'. That probably wouldn’t affect you or I, but what about the 12 members the jury. All the defense needs is one passenger to convincingly say that and one juror the believe it. Not a lawyer - just a guess.

 

[FelixDeCat]

As someone else mentioned this standard means a ton of drunken frat bros should probably be strangled to death every weekend.

Why pick on drunken frat bros? They make the world go round.

 

[FelixDeCat]

It's all happening because of you and every other asshole POS that voted for Reagan and continues to vote for GOP terrorists. This is specifically and inarguably why we have these exact problems that you claim to hate, yet unfailingly support every time you're presented with the choice at the ballot box.

You are the problem. You should choose how best to fix that problem if you are honest that you want to see these problems addressed.

We need to program a Reagan AI and elect it President.

 

[IronWing]

We need to program a Reagan AI and elect it President.

Reagan was yet another treasonous conservative shitbag, right up your alley.

 

[IronWing]

As someone else mentioned this standard means a ton of drunken frat bros should probably be strangled to death every weekend.

Dang it, you're winning me over.

 

[Ajay]

As I understood it he was unconscious within seconds of the hold and probably dead for most of it.

Yes. Unconscious within 30 seconds, brain damage within 2 minutes. Not sure about the delta to brain death (within 5?). Depends on health of the victim and strength of the hold - which looked pretty good.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

you could justify literally just shooting on sight any anti-abortion protestor verbally harassing women as they go to exercise their basic healthcare rights with this logic.

I say we start and see what the right-wing trash think.

Don't forget the Westboro Baptist fucks.