Jon Stewart on guns and public safety...

purbeast0

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I wish I had Apple TV so I could watch this full episode, but this 8 minute clip here is just .... wow. Talk about completely and utterly ripping someone's argument apart lol. Dude tries to pivot and change the subject so many times but Stewart doesn't allow it.

I just watched this and thought it deserved it's own thread.

It's worth the 8 minutes.

 
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HomerJS

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I wish I had Apple TV so I could watch this full episode, but this 8 minute clip here is just .... wow. Talk about completely and utterly ripping someone's argument apart lol. Dude tries to pivot and change the subject so many times but Stewart doesn't allow it.

I just watched this and thought it deserved it's own thread.

It's worth the 8 minutes.

OMFG!

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Pens1566

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Jon's angry and he's had enough of this windbag's shit.

I'll add: I have no idea why these people think they can go on and debate him like this. They just get ripped to shreds. It's like some weird kink they have (not kink shaming).
 

HomerJS

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Jon's angry and he's had enough of this windbag's shit.

I'll add: I have no idea why these people think they can go on and debate him like this. They just get ripped to shreds. It's like some weird kink they have (not kink shaming).
I've made a similar argument in this forum. Republicans are so hell bent on protecting school kids from CRT, drag shows and black history (book bans) while at the same time these same kids are performing active shooter drills.
 

Pohemi

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I have long wanted Jon to run for president
I've had discussions with friends about this topic, and we kind of settled on the notion that he's too smart to want to deal with all the involved bullshit, hyper-partisanship, etc. in our government to consider running...for most any seat, not just the WH.

He'd be a rare bastion of reason in government if he did though, IMO.
 
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Dickbag "80% of school shooters came from broken or fatherless homes."

Hero we need "So you would say no guns for Fatherless homes."

Dickbag "No that's not what I'm saying."

Hero we need "Oh" and dat look

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Jaskalas

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This is a question I have long asked - if people get guns for safety why aren't they safer?

They feel safer. And they (probably) haven't had any issues.

People cannot understand statistics, or apply them against the feeling of common sense. That being armed is better than being unarmed. That they're rather have an option than no option at all.

It's how humans think, and there's no getting around that guns are viewed as a solution to a fear.
 
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I wish I had Apple TV so I could watch this full episode, but this 8 minute clip here is just .... wow. Talk about completely and utterly ripping someone's argument apart lol. Dude tries to pivot and change the subject so many times but Stewart doesn't allow it.

I just watched this and thought it deserved it's own thread.

It's worth the 8 minutes.

Pure gold! That repub knew his ass was being handed to him from early on yet was simply going through the motions of pretending it wasnt happening.
 

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They feel safer. And they (probably) haven't had any issues.

People cannot understand statistics, or apply them against the feeling of common sense. That being armed is better than being unarmed. That they're rather have an option than no option at all.

It's how humans think, and there's no getting around that guns are viewed as a solution to a fear.
I feel that but this guy is a legislator. It's his job to apply facts.
 

SMOGZINN

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I've watched this several times to see how Jon is debating here. It is a masterclass in the Gish Gallop. Every time the guy makes a point Jon throws a Strawman at him, and never lets him address it, always moving the argument to a new strawman.
Don't get me wrong, the guy was intending to use the same technique against Jon. Jon is just better at it than him, and Jon happens to have reality on his side.
 

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"I'm familiar with a ton of anecdotes"
- lol

I wanted him to expand on the "Fatherless homes" talking point (How exactly are they proposing to fix that?) but I can see why he let that one go

The tail end arguments with voting vs gun and drag shows was entertaining
 

ivwshane

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I've watched this several times to see how Jon is debating here. It is a masterclass in the Gish Gallop. Every time the guy makes a point Jon throws a Strawman at him, and never lets him address it, always moving the argument to a new strawman.
Don't get me wrong, the guy was intending to use the same technique against Jon. Jon is just better at it than him, and Jon happens to have reality on his side.

Which straw man arguments were those? The ones based on legislation he and his party support or the concerns the politician says are important to him?
 

trenchfoot

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Can you just imagine Jon interviewing Marge Greene over gun laws? I'd pay a good chunk of cash to see that in person.

Being that I own guns I can say I'd have no problem having registration laws passed as well as background checks. It seems to me the only folks having a problem with that are those that would not want to be held liable for their negligence and irresponsibility irt the handling f their weapons.
 

Meghan54

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Can you just imagine Jon interviewing Marge Greene over gun laws? I'd pay a good chunk of cash to see that in person.

Being that I own guns I can say I'd have no problem having registration laws passed as well as background checks. It seems to me the only folks having a problem with that are those that would not want to be held liable for their negligence and irresponsibility irt the handling f their weapons.

And of course you know the NRA was for background checks before they were against them.
 

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I feel that but this guy is a legislator. It's his job to apply facts.
But isn't what you say you feel in the post you quoted by Jaskalas also facts? Are you talking facts or statistics? I would say it's factual that there are people in the world who were you to be targeted by them for some reason could easily decide to kill you. In many of such situations, where one's own life is under immediate threat if one had a weapon for self defense the threat could be ended regardless of the relative body strength of either person.

We know for a fact that many people have successfully saved their own lives and or the lives of loved ones by the self-defense use of a firearm. So regardless of whether that arm makes the general population safer of more at risk of shooting themselves or whatever, it still is a fact that there is a possibility that having a gun handy can save a person's life. We can say with certainty, then that if all guns are banned some of people who obey the law will be killed because they lack that form of self defense.

It seems to me that it is the right of self defense is primary among all the rights that exist because each of us is here as a result of ancestors who were among the fittest, those on average who had the skill set to survive, to protect their own lives.

In my opinion, therefore and as a result, any party attempting to ban firearms, a means by which the physically weaker can equalize advantage, is stark raving mad as there is no logic in the world that can replace the will to survive including a statistical analysis that says I'm safer without a gun. To me the logic that if I own a gun I may be able to use it to save my or someone else's life because of it far outweighs the logic that statistically I am at greater risk. I have gotten used to the fact that statistically speaking, of course, life itself is 100% fatal. There is logic and the matter of the logical use of it. We hold differing opinions there. My concern is that the gun issue makes too many people with sound gut instincts vote Republican against so many of their other best self interests.

As with housing so many of societal problems caused by the hate generated by competition simply go unaddressed based always and everywhere on whose ox gets gored. The winners don't want to change the system be they Republicans or Democrats except for changes that don't affect their own personal status and wealth. The country is mentally ill and in deep denial. Fix that and problems will melt away.