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[josh6079]

That's why Quake Wars is going to be on the top of my purchasing list. Forget Crysis, EA's involved with them too. (Another reason why I hate EA, a bad company in control of a good engine's work. Not to mention how they cornered the LOTR's games. EA should NOT be involved in fantasy games.)

EA = Electronic Adware

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: Atheus
If I don't pay for TV, I get ads. If I pay for TV, I don't get ads. Can anyone tell me why I should pay and get ads?

How do you pay for TV and not get ads? Cable and Sat have ads.

UK. BBC has no ads for example, and you pay a fee for that. Most cable services have movies with no ads. Sky has football with no ads. And of course, if you buy a DVD it has no ads, that's probably the better comparison.

In the US, you pay and you still get ads, lots of them, and you also get censorship, lots of it (oftentimes the word 'damn' will be censored - that's how bad it is).

Why anyone still pays for cable/satellite in the US is beyond me.

In spite of what EA is doing, there are hordes of BF addicts out there who will buy regardless.

i love the beeb! topgear un-interrupted! for an hour!

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
So where's CVSiN, our resident EA Fanboy, to explain to us why this is actually a good thing?

Im right here laughing at you... as always...

because in your rampant hate for EA you obviously never read one of my posts past the first line..

I never said anything in support of EA.. they are the gaming worlds Devil.. taking everything good and making it bad..

now I have praised DICE before they were EA property for all thier hard work and thier great games and Ideas..

I have also said that 1942...BFV.. BF2..(and expansions) anf 2142 all worked fine and very playable on my hardware/software configuration...


but never 1 time have I said.. WOW EA R0x0rs!
Every thing they have ever touched has turned to poo... starting with Ultima Online.. and ending in the BF series...

I know for a fact DICE did not want this adware in thier game.. as they are real gamers like us.. but EA money grubbing asshats took something good rushed it out the door and added in spyware to offset the cost of producing the game.

You will find no love for EA from me... never have never will..

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: josh6079
That's why Quake Wars is going to be on the top of my purchasing list. Forget Crysis, EA's involved with them too. (Another reason why I hate EA, a bad company in control of a good engine's work. Not to mention how they cornered the LOTR's games. EA should NOT be involved in fantasy games.)

EA = Electronic Adware

Unfortunately, this does not bode well for any Crytek-developed games.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Riddlinkidstoner
I smell a lawsuit on the rise. No where on the box does it state that you will have to agree to install this spyware in order the play the game and what store do you know accepts returns on open software? Even EA preorders are getting shafted with no return policy after this stupid crap blew wide open. I hope EA gets sued, forced to take the spyware crap out of the game, and in turn looses millions in deals with marketing companies.

it will say it on the EULA, but most people if not all people do not read them.....its there though.

Yeah, the million dollar question: is it in the EULA?

The whole chain of agreements works like this:
1. fine print on box says you must agree to EULA or return for refund. You have access to this fine print before you make your purchase so it is binding.
2. EULA defines terms the owner (EA) lays out to the person licensing (You). You must accept to use the software (as you agreed when you purchased) or you can decline and get your money back.
3. You install the software. You are now bound by the EULA whether you like it or not.

No where in here is a "you must accept paper slip in box" agreement.

So questions to whoever owns a copy:
1. What does fine print on outside of box say? Does it say you must accept EULA? edit: must accept paper slip I mean.
2. What does the EULA say about this additional software?

I know 10x of people are gonna come in here and gripe about EULAs aren't enforcable this that or the other...you are wrong. Judges have upheld it over and over... go see the blizzard case for example. But if this is not in the EULA they EA is going to get their asses sued off or someone is going to find out how to uninstall/break the ad-ware and EA will be helpless to defend.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: Atheus
If I don't pay for TV, I get ads. If I pay for TV, I don't get ads. Can anyone tell me why I should pay and get ads?

How do you pay for TV and not get ads? Cable and Sat have ads.

UK. BBC has no ads for example, and you pay a fee for that. Most cable services have movies with no ads. Sky has football with no ads. And of course, if you buy a DVD it has no ads, that's probably the better comparison.

unless its a dvd from disney... gad I hate those

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Will the game at least cost less than $50 because of this?

sure, $49.99

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: gersson
yeah it does. SO stupid. Since this isn't video forum, I can expect people who will defend EA. I think this is indefensible. Talk about shameless. What happened to games being classy? Next thing we're going to have commercials @ the start of a CD?
I'm not buying this shiz until they clear up what exactly they're taking from me.

Valve asks you for your time when you install steam -- MUCH better.

have you played many games lately? there's like 50 company logos as soon as you start most games now. not full blown commercials but 99% of the time you can't skip them so they might as well be.

 

[Czar]

down with EA, I love the BF series, sadly I was not impressed with the bf2142 demo, and now with this I definetly wont be buying the new game

Worst of all this just pushes me away from the BF series because I feel bf2142 is like bf vietnam. A rather blandish addon not worth the time over the actual game (bf2 and bf1942). I doubt I will show the next battlefield game where they do the engine again much interest.

Time to move on.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: gersson
yeah it does. SO stupid. Since this isn't video forum, I can expect people who will defend EA. I think this is indefensible. Talk about shameless. What happened to games being classy? Next thing we're going to have commercials @ the start of a CD?
I'm not buying this shiz until they clear up what exactly they're taking from me.

Valve asks you for your time when you install steam -- MUCH better.

have you played many games lately? there's like 50 company logos as soon as you start most games now. not full blown commercials but 99% of the time you can't skip them so they might as well be.

Showing the companies' logos that helped make the game is far different than what gerrson was talking about. If advertisements that are completely irrelevant to the game and its production begin to emerge, that's a different story.

 

[brikis98]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: Atheus
If I don't pay for TV, I get ads. If I pay for TV, I don't get ads. Can anyone tell me why I should pay and get ads?

How do you pay for TV and not get ads? Cable and Sat have ads.

UK. BBC has no ads for example, and you pay a fee for that. Most cable services have movies with no ads. Sky has football with no ads. And of course, if you buy a DVD it has no ads, that's probably the better comparison.

except for the "premium" movie channels (HBO, Cinemax, Starz, etc) that you pay an extra fee ON TOP of the cable bill, virtually all cable channels in the US have tons of advertising. and some DVD's (and VHS) have a bunch of advertisements, except we call them something different: "previews".

as for the issue at hand... i have no problem with advertising in my games. if it's unobtrusive and doesn't ruin the game (as in, good product placement), then why not. and if it is blatent and in the way... then the game prob sux too much to play anyway. however, i have a HUGE problem with the spyware. it is a blatent invasion of privacy, can probably cause issues/slowdowns on the computer, and should be illegal.

i loved the original bf 1942... but everything after that, including all the expansions, BF 2 and this current game, have been entirely unimpressive. i'm not dropping a dime on this game.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: josh6079
The best way to go about getting the message across to EA that gamers don't like these methods is to

A) Sue

B) Do what's in my sig.

F$@# EA!! That is uncalled for.

Well you said the best course here is through the purchasing power, so then in what ways do you all think this can be accomplished?

See I look at it this way, we are the PC geeks, and the average PC consumer is clueless to this, and will not even bat an eyelash over this matter.

Personally I think those of you that have purchased this game, especially you, so you can show people your game with this slip of paper to explain this to them. And any other hardcore PC geeks, gamers should go down to the game stores and do the same.

When you get free time go down to your local game store in the shopping mall and stand out side and let the people know who are going in and out of those stores, and ask if they have bought the game and let them know about this, and explain to them what this means .

And let them know about this for any other games, and we should all email the companies not to send in nasty letters, but as consumers letting them know how we feel about this.

Also possibly some of you live in small towns and know the local News stations, and possibly they might just be looking for some news and they can follow you to the game store and film this while you stand outside the store.

ALOHA

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Smilin
So questions to whoever owns a copy:
1. What does fine print on outside of box say? Does it say you must accept paper slip?
2. What does the EULA say about this additional software?

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: josh6079
The best way to go about getting the message across to EA that gamers don't like these methods is to

A) Sue

B) Do what's in my sig.

F$@# EA!! That is uncalled for.

Well you said the best course here is through the purchasing power, so then in what ways do you all think this can be accomplished?

See I look at it this way, we are the PC geeks, and the average PC consumer is clueless to this, and will not even bat an eyelash over this matter.

Personally I think those of you that have purchased this game, especially you, so you can show people your game with this slip of paper to explain this to them. And any other hardcore PC geeks, gamers should go down to the game stores and do the same.

When you get free time go down to your local game store in the shopping mall and stand out side and let the people know who are going in and out of those stores, and ask if they have bought the game and let them know about this, and explain to them what this means .

And let them know about this for any other games, and we should all email the companies not to send in nasty letters, but as consumers letting them know how we feel about this.

Also possibly some of you live in small towns and know the local News stations, and possibly they might just be looking for some news and they can follow you to the game store and film this while you stand outside the store.

ALOHA

yup this is some good info here...
I personally am a private person.. I cannot stand telemarketers or door to door salesmen... or the thought of someone spying on me in anyway..
I fought for this country.. and I fought for our rights...
I will not stand for companies to invade my privacy..
this is intolerable...

DICE: fun game.. had potential... but EA spyware... up there with Sony and thier rootkits.. and you saw what that got them... instant recall on all media..

 

[BladeVenom]

Anyone who had the misfortune to buy this game, should demand their money back.

 

[Smilin]

Hey, these are key questions for this topic. Can someone with a copy take a look for us?

Originally posted by: Smilin
So questions to whoever owns a copy:
1. What does fine print on outside of box say? Does it say you must accept paper slip?
2. What does the EULA say about this additional software?

 

[josh6079]

Well you said the best course here is through the purchasing power, so then in what ways do you all think this can be accomplished?

Having the mass of computer gamers not purchase it. How many forums do you think exist that help the average Joe get into PC gaming? I know when I started PC gaming I used the web's forums tremendously to gain knowledge that would help me with it and I'm sure a lot of others do/did the same thing. The average Joe starts somewhere, and if he goes to multiple forums across the net and sees what EA is really about, that's at least a start.

See I look at it this way, we are the PC geeks, and the average PC consumer is clueless to this, and will not even bat an eyelash over this matter.

The 'average' PC consumer doesn't even have a PC that could run this game. HP's and word-processing Dell's with gaming consoles on the side are more plentiful than gaming PC's. If they have a PC that can run modern games, chances are they frequent somekind of forum to know what hardware is good and bad.

It's the reason why AEG and HRC practice viral marketing on forums and other companies have representatives on them. The knowledgeable PC gamer popultation is a valued one and if we are displeased we can make it known with a substantial effect.

Personally I think those of you that have purchased this game, especially you...

😕 Are you saying that I've purchased this game?

...so you can show people your game with this slip of paper to explain this to them. And any other hardcore PC geeks, gamers should go down to the game stores and do the same.

That's actually not a bad idea. I do tell other unknowledgable buyers what not to get and what to get when I see a CompUSA rep or Best Buy salesman trying to rip them off. Needless to say, when I'm in a store and amoung the average 'Joe' victims, I do spread the word.

 

[Maximilian]

Cmon guys, lets burn down EA headquarters!! Its the only way theyre gonna listen.... you all know im right....

 

[Krogoth255]

Here is an acutal reason to boycott this game.

This is from a disclamer card that comes with the game.

The software may incorporate [advertising technology] developed by IGA Worldwide. ... The purpose of the advertising technology is to deliver in-game advertisements when you use the software while connected to the internet. When you use the software while connected to the internet, the advertising technology may record your internet protocol address and other anonymous information. That advertising data is temporarily used by IGA to enable the presentation and measurement of in-game advertisements and other in-game objects, which are uploaded temporarily to your personal computer or game console and change during online gameplay. The advertising technology does not collect any personally identifiable information about you and EA will not provide...

100% Pure BS, especially when you paid for the damm game. Ether make it free (ad) or have retail verison remove the ad nonsense.

 

[josh6079]

I'm in. Not buying anymore EA sponsored products until they can get the hint that they suck. Never will I support a company that decieves people into buying their game without telling them that they install spam on your computer until you open the box only to leave you without the ability to disagree and return the game for a refund.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Soviet
Cmon guys, lets burn down EA headquarters!! Its the only way theyre gonna listen.... you all know im right....

strangely true...

Note to FBI: I'm just kidding.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

I'm also in (thanks josh for the heads-up). Not buying this.

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
still if all u did was visit porn sites all day... i wonder if you'd get in game bill boards of girls gone wild

Guess you haven't play CS source lately. Nothing but porn sprays.

 

[mazeroth]

Originally posted by: gersson
EA is all about catering to the insecure fashion/rap slaved gamer. lol I expect there to be ads riddled with Ebonics

"yo, yo, yo obay yo thurst. SPRITE, AIGHT?"

Buhahahaha! I LOVE IT!

 

[SwiftWind]

Its a shame. I really enjoyed Battlefield 2. My friends in multiple LAN organizations have decided to blacklist the game. I may do the same, I haven't decided yet.