Johnny Cash, 'Hurt' video. Wow.

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

 

[hdeck]

i like cash's version much better.

 

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

I really don't consider it a country song

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
I think you have to be over 30 to feel it.

we are all getting older,one day at a time,
some days hurt more than others,
It saddens me to see Johnny Cash,hurting,and getting old.
Too many of the people that i have admired are going,or gone.




:brokenheart:

too many to list,some that i knew in person,
some i admired from afar.
Life is oh too short,and quick.
the youngest among us rarely know this.

 

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

I think that it's the fact that the video has a lot of symbolism throughout and that it connects the viewer to Johnny's past, present, and future.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: filmmaker

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

I think that it's the fact that the video has a lot of symbolism throughout and that it connects the viewer to Johnny's past, present, and future.

I admit that I might miss most of that because I am not a Johnny Cash fan. So I of course am oblivious to that type of stuff during the video. I basically just took away that he was sitting around singing and they showed pictures of his earlier life. Nothing all that special unless you are a Johnny Cash fan.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: filmmaker

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

I think that it's the fact that the video has a lot of symbolism throughout and that it connects the viewer to Johnny's past, present, and future.

I admit that I might miss most of that because I am not a Johnny Cash fan. So I of course am oblivious to that type of stuff during the video. I basically just took away that he was sitting around singing and they showed pictures of his earlier life. Nothing all that special unless you are a Johnny Cash fan.

dude you really read into it way too much, no wonder you don't enjoy it. comprehend that it's his past life, that woman there is his wife of god knows how many years, understand both of their sadness and see the video footage of his old movies and concerts. enjoy.

 

[Smolek]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
I think you have to be over 30 to feel it.

Not true, im under 20, and still think its not bad, as well as get the message loud and clear. It's just very well done, where anyone who stops and thinks about it for a few seconds can "get it".

 

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: filmmaker

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

I think that it's the fact that the video has a lot of symbolism throughout and that it connects the viewer to Johnny's past, present, and future.

I admit that I might miss most of that because I am not a Johnny Cash fan. So I of course am oblivious to that type of stuff during the video. I basically just took away that he was sitting around singing and they showed pictures of his earlier life. Nothing all that special unless you are a Johnny Cash fan.

I'm not a Johnny Cash fan and I enjoyed it and felt very connected to it.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: filmmaker

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

I think that it's the fact that the video has a lot of symbolism throughout and that it connects the viewer to Johnny's past, present, and future.

I admit that I might miss most of that because I am not a Johnny Cash fan. So I of course am oblivious to that type of stuff during the video. I basically just took away that he was sitting around singing and they showed pictures of his earlier life. Nothing all that special unless you are a Johnny Cash fan.

dude you really read into it way too much, no wonder you don't enjoy it. comprehend that it's his past life, that woman there is his wife of god knows how many years, understand both of their sadness and see the video footage of his old movies and concerts. enjoy.

Oh I get it. I just don't understand the big deal over it. People get old. They live their life and sh*t happens. My grandfather offered more to the world than Johnny Cash in my eyes. Johnny Cash just doing a video about his life and end of life just didn't impress me. Like I said, it would mean a lot more to Cash fans.

As it is, I don't find the video touching or entertaining but I totally respect people that do. I was just wondering about the people raving over the video.

Trust me, I am not to young to understand the pain of getting old and reflecting on life.

 

[fs5]

reading the cnn link brings the video into prospective.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5
reading the cnn link brings the video into prospective.

You aren't kidding.

 

[tm37]

Vince Gill said that if god sang country music he would sound like Johnny Cash

 

[Platypus]

Fvck that video and his cover. He totally ruined the song. By adding his religious vomit all over that song I can barely listen to the original anymore. Much like his "amazing" cover of Rusty Cage by Soundgarden. Such an audio abortion

 

[LethalWolfe]

Great cover and great video, IMO.

Now, please continue to argure over who's opinion is right.


Lethal

 

[wfbberzerker]

i liked the song a lot, but i've never heard the nin version, so maybe that has a little to do with my impression of it.

 

[Azraele]

I like what he did with it. Put things in a different sort of perspective.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

Well nobody asked you yet you seem intent on letting us know that you don't like it in about 10 posts in this thread. Do you really think anybody here gives a rat's ass what a dweeb like you thinks?

 

[Shockwave]

NIN doesnt impress me all that much for having "deep" meanings. I take it no one has seen the movie (Doesnt come to mind right off) of him singing some half piss rock country crap in the background before he became famous for what he does now eh?
No, NIN isnt deep or meaningful. They simply found a particular genre of music to sing and become famous instead of being stuck in movies singin crap music in the background.

Cash's remix is genious. First time I saw it I was blown away, just amazed. Simplicity and genious is all i could think.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Codewiz
NIN:
I wear my crown of sh*t

Cash:
I wear my crown of thorns


I am sorry but that changes the song completely. I prefer covers to stay true to the spirit of the songs and the Cash version doesn't. If you like it that is fine but I don't like it.

What is the point of covering a song if nothing is changed? I prefer covers to add some sort of depth and new meaning to the original.

BTW, i'm 21 and not a country fan.

Oh I don't want Johnny Cash to do a cover where nothing is changed. PLENTY was changed already in the song without the lyrics being changed.

I believe that when you do a cover you are paying tribute to that artist. You should keep the spirit of the song but you have to musically perform the song in your style. I think Cash succeeded well in doing the cover musically. It just pisses me off he had to go and change the entire meaning of the song in my eyes.


EDIT: BTW since this is an MTV VIDEO award, what the hell is so great about the video??? The video is pretty pretty boring if you ask me.

Well nobody asked you yet you seem intent on letting us know that you don't like it in about 10 posts in this thread. Do you really think anybody here gives a rat's ass what a dweeb like you thinks?

Are you so self centered that you think I give a rat's ass what you think?

I was just posting on the topic giving my opinion. As with any thread, people can take it or leave it. Pepsi90919 showed he disagrees with me. Of course he has acquired people skills during his life so he knows how to disagree without being an ass. Something after at least 40 years of your life you still haven't acquired.

If people don't want a discussion about topics then they shouldn't post them. I don't see a reply limit anywhere. People rebutted my statements so I gave follow up. In the end, the people I was discussing this with decided they didn't agree with me and I didn't agree with them.

Get over yourself because as always you have a real bad attitude problem.

 

[waitman]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
I think you have to be over 30 to feel it.

I'm not over 30 and i really like it.

I'm over 30 and when I here it, I can't turn it off fast enough!

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
NIN doesnt impress me all that much for having "deep" meanings. I take it no one has seen the movie (Doesnt come to mind right off) of him singing some half piss rock country crap in the background before he became famous for what he does now eh?
No, NIN isnt deep or meaningful. They simply found a particular genre of music to sing and become famous instead of being stuck in movies singin crap music in the background.

Cash's remix is genious. First time I saw it I was blown away, just amazed. Simplicity and genious is all i could think.

You sir, just made my list of people whose opinion I shall no longer pay attention to.

I enjoyed the video, but I think he totally changed the song by adding thorns in there. It basically goes against Trent's beliefs on God just so Cash can relate his story to Jesus or something. If you don't believe me, listen to Heresy or Terrible Lie. Without the video, I think the song falls apart. If you can find a live version of NIN doing Hurt, it is so much better than anything else you've heard of that song. Just my opinion...

-silver

 

[tcsenter]

I enjoyed the video, but I think he totally changed the song by adding thorns in there. It basically goes against Trent's beliefs on God just so Cash can relate his story to Jesus or something. If you don't believe me, listen to Heresy or Terrible Lie. Without the video, I think the song falls apart.

I think that's the point. In the sense that a song is a 'story' or 'message', its not 'NINs song' when Cash performs it. Its 'NINs song' when NIN performs it.

It is interesting to see an entirely new group of people moved by a song when its covered who wouldn't have found it redeeming when done by the original artist and vice versa, because they were turned-off by the artist or the genre, for whatever reason. I think we can agree that songs are intepretative to some degree and can appeal to people for different reasons based on their personal connection with the music. The artist to a great deal influences who makes a personal connection with the music.

When songs are covered, it is not necessarily supposed to be an attempt to 'capture' the exact meaning that people derived from it as done by the original artist. The cover artist brings something different to it because its now coming from their personally unique experiences and feelings. Hell, it is often the case that the listener who finds a personal connection to a song as done by a particular artist derives a meaning from that song that isn't even remotely approximate to the meaning that was intended by the songwriter.

The video is powerful and I think it very well may impart something to the song that NIN fans may not think is 'correct' based on the personal connection they made with the song as performed by NIN. That's perfectly ok. Its not being done by NIN, its being done by Cash.

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: tcsenter<br]

When songs are covered, it is not necessarily supposed to be an attempt to 'capture' the exact meaning that people derived from it as done by the original artist. The cover artist brings something different to it because its now coming from their personally unique experiences and feelings.

The video is powerful and I think it very well may impart something to the song that NIN fans may not think is 'correct' based on the personal connection they made with the song as performed by NIN. That's perfectly ok. Its not being done by NIN, its being done by Cash.

That is true. I guess I just can't like the Cash version as much because I love Trent's version too much

I have to respect Cash in doing it though. He really did put his own spin on it and showed that the song touched him. He covered it as it related it to his life. I think that's the reason I really respect his version because isn't that what we all try to do? We all make our music relate to our lives personally so it has more meaning. Cash just was able to record and publish it and I bet that his version has more meaning to him than anyone else. That's the reason I respect his version.

-silver

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: tcsenter<br]

When songs are covered, it is not necessarily supposed to be an attempt to 'capture' the exact meaning that people derived from it as done by the original artist. The cover artist brings something different to it because its now coming from their personally unique experiences and feelings.

The video is powerful and I think it very well may impart something to the song that NIN fans may not think is 'correct' based on the personal connection they made with the song as performed by NIN. That's perfectly ok. Its not being done by NIN, its being done by Cash.

That is true. I guess I just can't like the Cash version as much because I love Trent's version too much

I have to respect Cash in doing it though. He really did put his own spin on it and showed that the song touched him. He covered it as it related it to his life. I think that's the reason I really respect his version because isn't that what we all try to do? We all make our music relate to our lives personally so it has more meaning. Cash just was able to record and publish it and I bet that his version has more meaning to him than anyone else. That's the reason I respect his version.

-silver

I'd also like to point out that if Trent Reznor really didnt like what Cash did to it, he would not have let it be released. It is, after all, his song.