Johnny Appleseed's apples weren't for eating

pete6032

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I, also, did not learn this part in grade school. :$

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kurt-friese/the-hard-truth-of-johnny_b_757287.html

When each of us was in third grade, we learned the legend of John Chapman, a.k.a. Johnny Appleseed. We were taught of his beneficence, and we marveled over the Disney-esque pen and ink drawings of him wandering barefoot through the woods, tin pot on his head, followed by an assortment of happy woodland creatures. He was the pioneer saint, there to spread the healthy goodness of apples across the frontier in advance of the great westward expansion.


What Mrs. Klein, my third grade teacher failed to tell me (likely yours failed to mention this as well), is that Chapman's intentions were not entirely magnanimous, and the fruits of his labors were not meant for children. When he set out from Massachusetts in 1797 towards Pennsylvania, Ohio, and eventually Fort Wayne, Indiana, pioneers could lay claim to land simply by having planted a crop there. His savvy as a land speculator and as a nurseryman selling seedlings to the region's new arrivals made him quite a wealthy man. And those apples were not meant for keeping the doctor away or giving to prairie schoolmarms. Apples grown from seeds (as opposed to grafts) were, as HD Thoreau once wrote "sour enough to set a squirrel's teeth on edge and make a jay scream." No, these apples were meant for cider, and not the soft sweet stuff either.
 

Linflas

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While not about Johnny Appleseed we did learn that quite a bit of colonial and early US trade was based on various forms of alcohol, especially rum and whiskey. Of course this was back in the dark ages when they were still teaching us US history from 1st -12th grades.
 

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200 years from now people will tell the tale of Steve Appleman, an ingenius man dressed in black who went far and wide providing free, magical devices to children. :D
 
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The oldest distillery in the United States (and proud holder of License number 1 from the Department of the Treasury) is Laird and Company, producers of apple brandy and the nation's only current producer of applejack. Johnny Appleseed was essentially a spokesman for Laird, growing the popularity of applejack through the Midwest and ensuring a farther reach for the nation's biggest applejack producer. Everybody thinks "whiskey" when they think of American spirits, but cider and applejack were king at the time of our nation's founding.
 

Linflas

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Alcohol was great before the government taxed the shit out if it.

I'm pretty sure that has been going on as long as there have been governments and alcohol. Washington DC owes its existence (and lack of representation) in large part to an insurrection regarding alcohol taxes.
 

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The oldest distillery in the United States (and proud holder of License number 1 from the Department of the Treasury) is Laird and Company, producers of apple brandy and the nation's only current producer of commercial and legal applejack. Johnny Appleseed was essentially a spokesman for Laird, growing the popularity of applejack through the Midwest and ensuring a farther reach for the nation's biggest applejack producer. Everybody thinks "whiskey" when they think of American spirits, but cider and applejack were king at the time of our nation's founding.
Fixed. :whiste:
I'm disappointed that while NY is about to experience a second consecutive record year for the apple crop, it was so bitter cold in the spring, that in my area of the state, many of the apple trees and other fruit trees never even had a blossom. I'll be lucky to get 10 gallons this year.
 

Miramonti

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And if the native americans asked what you were doing on their land, you just had to tell them you planted an apple tree, and it was all good.
 

TheSlamma

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Fancy this comes out at the same time Apple cider is now the latest FAD in beverages to go with Moscow mules.

by the way Cock and Bull is EASILY the best ginger beer out there. ;) trust me anything you guys list I have tried and it's crap in comparison.
 

alkemyst

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Fancy this comes out at the same time Apple cider is now the latest FAD in beverages to go with Moscow mules.

by the way Cock and Bull is EASILY the best ginger beer out there. ;) trust me anything you guys list I have tried and it's crap in comparison.

My fiancee's 26 year old daughter and her friends are all in to ciders now.

I tried one, do not want.
 

MongGrel

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The oldest distillery in the United States (and proud holder of License number 1 from the Department of the Treasury) is Laird and Company, producers of apple brandy and the nation's only current producer of applejack. Johnny Appleseed was essentially a spokesman for Laird, growing the popularity of applejack through the Midwest and ensuring a farther reach for the nation's biggest applejack producer. Everybody thinks "whiskey" when they think of American spirits, but cider and applejack were king at the time of our nation's founding.
My father-in-law used to make cider every year, in upstate NY, before he passed away.

Have a buddy of mine still makes Apple Jack at home will knock you on you're but in a short time, good with beer :)
 
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