John McCain why are you doing to me?

[halik]

Pretext:

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax. Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

That being said, whoever is running McCain campaign needs to be canned IMMEDIATELY. All these ads and keywords they're trying to push (a la "flipflopper") are insulting my intelligence. Paris hilton and britney spears? Really? And that latest debacle with inflating tires is just retarded. Besides the fact that handing out tire gauges is childish, THE MEDIA WILL BACKCHECK WHAT HE'S SAYING ... AND HE HAS A FUCKING POINT! You cannot make a diss on something that fucking factually correct!!!


Bah...

 

[StageLeft]

The problem isn't actually McCain it's that this country's voting public buys into this. He is merely symptomatic of a problem.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Paris Hilton responds to McCain's ad

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
The problem isn't actually McCain it's that this country's voting public buys into this. He is merely symptomatic of a problem.

Ya, this is the whole reason why campaigns are required to be load of garbage most of the time. Most votes come from people that hear only what they want to hear and if you want to win then you need to get their votes. Such things are not limited or more influenced in either party. They are both equally subjected to it and I imagine that they both hate it. Who can blame them? It is utterly disgusting. I believe in Democracy but election years always make me straddle the fence more than usual when it comes to that belief and it is mostly for this reason.

 

[lupi]

For a change they're producing what the standard sheeple responds to and it seems to be working from poll results.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

You are rich, you hate the middle class and the poor, that is very clear.

Go vote for your GOP heroes and stop whining already.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: halik
Pretext:

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax. Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

That being said, whoever is running McCain campaign needs to be canned IMMEDIATELY. All these ads and keywords they're trying to push (a la "flipflopper") are insulting my intelligence. Paris hilton and britney spears? Really? And that latest debacle with inflating tires is just retarded. Besides the fact that handing out tire gauges is childish, THE MEDIA WILL BACKCHECK WHAT HE'S SAYING ... AND HE HAS A FUCKING POINT! You cannot make a diss on something that fucking factually correct!!!


Bah...

There are certain things the government can do that would help unions like the UAW: provide health insurance. Other than that, the UAW needs to modernize.

Why else do you think a lot of car manufacturers moved up there? For the air?

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

6 figures, even in NYC, is middle class.

 

[bamacre]

You don't have to vote for either one of them. You can vote for Barr.

Who says you have to vote for someone who will win?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

You can live a very comfortable lifestyle with 6 figures in most parts of the US regardless of which class it places you in. This is especially true if that is only one of several incomes in your home. Just something to consider.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: bamacre
You don't have to vote for either one of them. You can vote for Barr.

Who says you have to vote for someone who will win?

Sorry but I don't subscribe to Ron Pauleasque nuttery. History has taught us that Laissez Faire policies don't work...

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: halik
Pretext:

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax and I have no sense of social responsibility and don't give a crap about anyone.

Fixed to reflect the assumption that high salary taxation means no vote for Obama.

No sympathy from me for you having a bad campaign for 'your guy'.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

You are rich, you hate the middle class and the poor, that is very clear.

Go vote for your GOP heroes and stop whining already.

Yet again you've removed yourself from the intelligent discussion around you... next time you want to say something, swirl it around in your head for a little bit longer and ask yourself "will this make me look like an idiot".

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: halik
Pretext:

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax. Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

That being said, whoever is running McCain campaign needs to be canned IMMEDIATELY. All these ads and keywords they're trying to push (a la "flipflopper") are insulting my intelligence. Paris hilton and britney spears? Really? And that latest debacle with inflating tires is just retarded. Besides the fact that handing out tire gauges is childish, THE MEDIA WILL BACKCHECK WHAT HE'S SAYING ... AND HE HAS A FUCKING POINT! You cannot make a diss on something that fucking factually correct!!!


Bah...

There are certain things the government can do that would help unions like the UAW: provide health insurance. Other than that, the UAW needs to modernize.

Why else do you think a lot of car manufacturers moved up there? For the air?

Subsidized health coverage is a possibility, though the demographics of it just don't work. Babyboomers are slowly retiring and that's a huge part of the population (compared to people that are still working)... how will you pay for it?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

6 figures, even in NYC, is middle class.

My apartment ran me $1200 a mo, there's federal, state and city tax and you need to spend at least another 100 a mo for transportation. The cost of living index in general is redonculous, especially if you have to live in manhattan due to the work hours.

 

[Craig234]

nm

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: halik
My apartment ran me $1200 a mo, there's federal, state and city tax and you need to spend at least another 100 a mo for transportation. The cost of living index in general is redonculous, especially if you have to live in manhattan due to the work hours.

You need to stop complaining. I live in South Florida, pay more in rent than you do, I have a lot more expenses including a kid, and my combined household gross income is under 6 figures. Yet, despite all of that, my family and I feel very comfortable and are very happy. Obviously we could be doing more with more money but that is not the point. That point is we are very satisfied yet we live in one of the most expensive areas in the country. Are you certain it is money and taxes that is making you feel held back?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: halik
Pretext:

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax and I have no sense of social responsibility and don't give a crap about anyone.

Fixed to reflect the assumption that high salary taxation means no vote for Obama.

No sympathy from me for you having a bad campaign for 'your guy'.

Hello hyperbole...
It's a very rational decision my part - Obama will result in some 20K pay cut for me and he simply can't do anything that would make be worth 20K to me (whether it's my benefit or benefit to others)

And this whole "you're rich, deal with it" is counterproductive at best - I'm not a high net worth individual and this like eliminating ssoc cap will hit me quite a bit. That 6 figure salary comes from 80-100 hour work weeks (basically two jobs), not daddy's money.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: bamacre
You don't have to vote for either one of them. You can vote for Barr.

Who says you have to vote for someone who will win?

Sorry but I don't subscribe to Ron Pauleasque nuttery. History has taught us that Laissez Faire policies don't work...

Example?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: halik
Pretext:

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax and I have no sense of social responsibility and don't give a crap about anyone.

Fixed to reflect the assumption that high salary taxation means no vote for Obama.

No sympathy from me for you having a bad campaign for 'your guy'.

Hello hyperbole...
It's a very rational decision my part - Obama will result in some 20K pay cut for me and he simply can't do anything that would make be worth 20K to me (whether it's my benefit or benefit to others)

And this whole "you're rich, deal with it" is counterproductive at best - I'm not a high net worth individual and this like eliminating ssoc cap will hit me quite a bit. That 6 figure salary comes from 80-100 hour work weeks (basically two jobs), not daddy's money.

No, you do make a lot of money. You issue is the same as everybody else's issue who is rich. That is, it isn't about how much money you are actually making or are worth. It is how much less you are making than "the other guy". People that think like that are never satisfied and are constantly under the illusion that more money and less taxes will some how have a great impact on how happy they are in life. Don't fall into that downward spiral.

Now, I am not saying that money can't make people's lives better. It can...but only by so much.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

6 figures, even in NYC, is middle class.

My apartment ran me $1200 a mo, there's federal, state and city tax and you need to spend at least another 100 a mo for transportation. The cost of living index in general is redonculous, especially if you have to live in manhattan due to the work hours.

I think people have a skewed idea of what the middle class is, and 6 figures in NYC is certainly comfortably middle class. You seem to be confusing upper middle with middle class. Median income in NYC is $37,000, something you are either doubling or tripling. I am unaware of any place where 2-3 times the median income is not middle class or better.

Anyways though, if voting for McCain is in your economic interest then by all means you should do so. I wish more people chose candidates based on rational self interest instead of made up crap.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: bamacre
You don't have to vote for either one of them. You can vote for Barr.

Who says you have to vote for someone who will win?

Sorry but I don't subscribe to Ron Pauleasque nuttery. History has taught us that Laissez Faire policies don't work...

Example?

See great depression.

I consider myself libertarian and on an individual level i believe people have the right to do whatever, so long it doesn't encroach on other people's liberties.

I also have some 4 years of undergrad and 2 years of grad school's worth of economics and public policy education and realize how naive and wrong are some of the policies that Ron Paul folk tries to push.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik

I can't see myself voting for Obama unless McCain picks up someone idotioc as a VP (Jeb Bush or similar holy roller nut case)

I'm a former wall street analyst and my salary tends to reach up into the levels he wants to tax.

Also his support of UAW is something I can't and get over - it is the main reason why Michigan is the winner of the unemployment race.

Well at least thank you for proving this is a rich Vs the ever shrinking middle class battle.

Define middle class for me? I was making 6 figures out of school in NYC and that was not even middle class.

Also both of my parents work/worked for ford... they are upper middle class and echo my sentiment about UAW. The reason why there are no jobs in Michigan is because none of the companies want th deal with UAW antics.

6 figures, even in NYC, is middle class.

My apartment ran me $1200 a mo, there's federal, state and city tax and you need to spend at least another 100 a mo for transportation. The cost of living index in general is redonculous, especially if you have to live in manhattan due to the work hours.

I think people have a skewed idea of what the middle class is, and 6 figures in NYC is certainly comfortably middle class. You seem to be confusing upper middle with middle class. Median income in NYC is $37,000, something you are either doubling or tripling. I am unaware of any place where 2-3 times the median income is not middle class or better.

Anyways though, if voting for McCain is in your economic interest then by all means you should do so. I wish more people chose candidates based on rational self interest instead of made up crap.

It's actually around 45-50K in manhattan and even that is skewed by low-income/low-rent areas like harlem. If you take manhattan from 120th down, I can guarantee you the median income would be a double of that, just because the real estate prices are in the millions there.

On the second note, It's not *my* economic interest, it's a cost benefit analysis. If he wants $20K from my salary, he needs to accomplish something that will be worth $20K worth of utility to me.... and I have serious doubts that will be the case.