alphatarget1
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Fuck Audi and their shitty reliability. I would never buy an Audi even if I could afford it. Uppity asshole. They can shove their electrical problems up their collective German asses.
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Why doesn't GM just brand the volt as a Cadillac? Just throw some lame luxury crap in it and it'll be a luxury car.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
whether he's right or not is immaterial. That is a terrible thing to say. In what way does it make his company look better? If anything it makes it look neutral or worse; it doesn't help audi's image to be condemning another company's product in such a way. It could potentially turn off people who like the volt from audi products. I don't see the point to his statements. I don't know what vw has elsewhere but in north america they have no hybrid product, whereas pretty much all of their major competition does or will very soon (or at least have electric, like nissan). And over time this market is growing and most pundits think it will take an increasingly larger piece of the pie.
I think the volt specifically has major hurdles to overcome. I hope it's not a pie in the face of GM, but it's an uphill battle with that car when it launches.
Originally posted by: ChaosDivine
+1Originally posted by: senseamp
Not sure I agree. People are willing to spend a lot of money to stand out.
Price has a value of its own. It creates exclusivity.
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Why doesn't GM just brand the volt as a Cadillac? Just throw some lame luxury crap in it and it'll be a luxury car.
Originally posted by: senseamp
umm, not like CARS. This is subsidizing new technology research. CARS was just a giveaway.
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Originally posted by: senseamp
umm, not like CARS. This is subsidizing new technology research. CARS was just a giveaway.
Yes, like CARS in the sense that my tax money will pay for someone else to buy a car.
Likely someone that make way more money than I do.
A $7,500 tax credit per car is nearly what you get as a first time home buyer.
For a car...a car that really isn't much in terms of technology or fuel efficiency...
Huh? The Volt isn't much in terms of tech and fuel efficiency? It's automotive equivalent of a moonshot.
Huh? The Volt isn't much in terms of tech and fuel efficiency? It's automotive equivalent of a moonshot.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Google has some vague images of a "cadillac volt" but it seems very early in consideration if at all, presumably a long way off after the chevy. Is that correct?
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: woodie1
Originally posted by: senseamp
Not sure I agree. People are willing to spend a lot of money to stand out.
Price has a value of its own. It creates exclusivity.
And just how many of these people are there? Once the "look at me" crowd has one where are the sales going to come from?
Look at the hybrid drivers.
Some of the hybrid cars actually function as they are supposed too. However I do agree that the Volt is a form over function car. The EV range is terrible, the cost is too high, ICE mode isn't efficient enough. I'm not going to complain about size though as it looks to be about the same as most mid sized sedans.
Well yea they function but you can get a comparably equipped car for much cheaper and not have to wait 5+ years to make up the difference which is the point that Audi guy is tring to make.
Originally posted by: Knavish
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: woodie1
Originally posted by: senseamp
Not sure I agree. People are willing to spend a lot of money to stand out.
Price has a value of its own. It creates exclusivity.
And just how many of these people are there? Once the "look at me" crowd has one where are the sales going to come from?
Look at the hybrid drivers.
Some of the hybrid cars actually function as they are supposed too. However I do agree that the Volt is a form over function car. The EV range is terrible, the cost is too high, ICE mode isn't efficient enough. I'm not going to complain about size though as it looks to be about the same as most mid sized sedans.
Well yea they function but you can get a comparably equipped car for much cheaper and not have to wait 5+ years to make up the difference which is the point that Audi guy is tring to make.
(referencing the bolded part)... Isn't this the story of EVERY hybrid. I've always read that gas would have to go up to $7+ per gallon to break even on any modern hybrid vehicle vs. cars of similar size from the same manufacturer within 4 years.
Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Interesting because a lot of people already pay $$$ for the name of Audi...
Why would I pay a huge premium for the A4 over a Jetta.....oh wait, maybe because I am getting something the Jetta didn't have? Same for the Volt...it will be bleeding edge, like it or not...
I think you already know the answer to that.Originally posted by: woodie1
Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Interesting because a lot of people already pay $$$ for the name of Audi...
Why would I pay a huge premium for the A4 over a Jetta.....oh wait, maybe because I am getting something the Jetta didn't have? Same for the Volt...it will be bleeding edge, like it or not...
Please - what about the Volt will be bleeding edge? Except for the price, of course.
