Joe officially announces he's running again

[akugami]

How are you still this uninformed regarding the vast difference between the Trump and Biden examples. Not just the sheer difference in volume of material, one of those people lied and tried to conceal stolen documents, repeatedly, and the other person is Joe Biden.

This is called being obtuse what you are doing, or can you admit it's pretty simple but for different fucking reasons? It's disgusting how you still carry the traitors water

The funny part is, just a couple days ago in another thread @pcgeek11 was trying to convince people he was impartial. That he doesn't understand why his wife watches Faux News. And yet, here he is, nothing but criticism for the democratic party, and making things up. Classic right wing nut job conservatism.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is really disappointing. You’ve clearly made up your own definition. What you’ve described are policy disagreements. I wish the political discussions all around this country were about policy disagreements, sadly that stopped happening around 2015.

Putting party before country isn’t about policies, it’s about protecting party members from accountability, it’s about ignoring political issues in order to protect or strengthen the party.

For instance if we had a senate with one party being a majority by one member and that party had a member who was involved in a crime and they decided not to take any action against their party member because they would lose their majority, that would be an example of putting the party first.

Having a party support or oppose a policy you agree with or disagree with because that’s what their constituents want, is not an example of putting party before country.

The closest example of putting party before country where “both sides” might apply would be the use of gerrymandering to maintain political power.

GOP went full party over country when america elected a black guy.

The GOP's no-compromise pledge

Republicans are promising to do "everything" they can to block the president.

www.politico.com

 

[HomerJS]

This is really disappointing. You’ve clearly made up your own definition. What you’ve described are policy disagreements. I wish the political discussions all around this country were about policy disagreements, sadly that stopped happening around 2015.

The right are geniuses at changing definitions. The term "woke" has been so overused and bastardized in a recent poll the majority of the country are against it. However, it you ask them does the country need to put more effort into dealing with injustice an overwhelming majority favor.

An awareness of injustice is the definition of "woke" yet righties have managed to change the public meaning into anything from the left they oppose.

It's the same thing as Obamacare. Before it became law asked about Obamacare most people opposed. Ask the same people about the various components of Obamacare and they favor.

It's a propaganda war that righties seem to win.

 

[Ajay]

Geez, probably two Octogenarians in the ring after the primaries. Swell. Anyway, it's hard to see how Trump wins - he's damaged goods at this point and isn't the 'new hotness' anymore. I think the majority of America will go with the stable - even keeled choice that Biden is. We'll just have to suffer some level of unprecedented nastiness when the campaigns heat up.

 

[thilanliyan]

Geez, probably two Octogenarians in the ring after the primaries. Swell. Anyway, it's hard to see how Trump wins - he's damaged goods at this point and isn't the 'new hotness' anymore. I think the majority of America will go with the stable - even keeled choice that Biden is. We'll just have to suffer some level of unprecedented nastiness when the campaigns heat up.

Errr...I think there's still a crap ton of people that will vote Trump if given the chance.

 

[Ajay]

Errr...I think there's still a crap ton of people that will vote Trump if given the chance.

Sure, but what happens if 2-3% of those who formerly voted for him are sick of him. Maybe they don't even go to the polls, sick of the dumb choices they have. Or they do a write in. Game over.

 

[nakedfrog]

The funny part is, just a couple days ago in another thread @pcgeek11 was trying to convince people he was impartial. That he doesn't understand why his wife watches Faux News. And yet, here he is, nothing but criticism for the democratic party, and making things up. Classic right wing nut job conservatism.

The only person he has fooled is himself, I think.

 

[pcgeek11]

What evidence do you have that Biden enacts his policies with no regard to their effect on the country? I'll answer that for you - you have zero. You just made it up.

You really think that Biden passed major bills and spent zero time thinking of what their effects would be? This is so obviously, ludicrously false I can't imagine you actually believe it. In fact you can even go read the Biden administration's projections for their effects yourself! (here's one example: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...5/by-the-numbers-the-inflation-reduction-act/)

With that in mind do you want to revise your statement?

How much evidence do you have that he does show regard for the negative effects on the country? I know what I see everyday with the economy, inflation, the border imigration and drugs that are out of control and now they want to force EVs with out a power grid capable of supporting it.

Today I was reading about the crazy mortgage rules that go into effect on 1 May 2023 where poor credit scores gets you a better rate and if you have a good score you will pay more. That is screwed up when you work hard and pay your bills to get a good credit score so they can penalize you for it. Here we go 2008 all over again with the sub-prime housing. Same as Biden trying to pay off student college debt on the backs of working Americans and call if " Collage debt loan forgiveness". And then we have the fake Inflation reduction act that didn't have anything to do with inflation reduction.

No I don't care to revise my statement. Do you?

 

[pcgeek11]

Funny how all of these problems (except for inflation) were just as bad if not worse while Trump was POTUS and you weren't complaining then.
Illegal border crossings, fentanyl deaths, and deficit spending are all down since Biden took office.
As for inflation, I hate to break it to you and the rest of the RWNJ world, but the POTUS has almost zero power over that. That's the Fed's fault. Powell is the one running the money printing presses. Note that inflation is now largely under control since the Fed started raising rates.

BS

 

[ivwshane]

How much evidence do you have that he does show regard for the negative effects on the country? I know what I see everyday with the economy, inflation, the border imigration and drugs that are out of control and now they want to force EVs with out a power grid capable of supporting it.

Today I was reading about the crazy mortgage rules that go into effect on 1 May 2023 where poor credit scores gets you a better rate and if you have a good score you will pay more. That is screwed up when you work hard and pay your bills to get a good credit score so they can penalize you for it. Here we go 2008 all over again with the sub-prime housing. Same as Biden trying to pay off student college debt on the backs of working Americans and call if " Collage debt loan forgiveness". And then we have the fake Inflation reduction act that didn't have anything to do with inflation reduction.

No I don't care to revise my statement. Do you?

You see every day with the economy, inflation, the border, drugs, and immigration?

I’m curious as to what shit hole you live in or work in, that you are exposed to all the above? What is it you are doing in your daily life that exposes you to all of this? Exactly what are you personally seeing with the things you stated?

 

[fskimospy]

How much evidence do you have that he does show regard for the negative effects on the country? I know what I see everyday with the economy, inflation, the border imigration and drugs that are out of control and now they want to force EVs with out a power grid capable of supporting it.

Today I was reading about the crazy mortgage rules that go into effect on 1 May 2023 where poor credit scores gets you a better rate and if you have a good score you will pay more. That is screwed up when you work hard and pay your bills to get a good credit score so they can penalize you for it. Here we go 2008 all over again with the sub-prime housing. Same as Biden trying to pay off student college debt on the backs of working Americans and call if " Collage debt loan forgiveness". And then we have the fake Inflation reduction act that didn't have anything to do with inflation reduction.

No I don't care to revise my statement. Do you?

You claimed Biden made policies with no regard to how they affected the country. I irrefutably showed this was untrue. I think you should admit that.

 

[repoman0]

How much evidence do you have that he does show regard for the negative effects on the country? I know what I see everyday with the economy, inflation, the border imigration and drugs that are out of control and now they want to force EVs with out a power grid capable of supporting it.

Today I was reading about the crazy mortgage rules that go into effect on 1 May 2023 where poor credit scores gets you a better rate and if you have a good score you will pay more. That is screwed up when you work hard and pay your bills to get a good credit score so they can penalize you for it. Here we go 2008 all over again with the sub-prime housing. Same as Biden trying to pay off student college debt on the backs of working Americans and call if " Collage debt loan forgiveness". And then we have the fake Inflation reduction act that didn't have anything to do with inflation reduction.

No I don't care to revise my statement. Do you?

The new mortgage rules sound perfectly fair to me, and have nothing to do with the interest rate you get. Link for people interested in actual facts rather than a pcgeek11 misinformation filled rant: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/credit-score-home-mortgage-costs/story?id=98868025

Oh no, 1/8% more in fees vs the old rules, guess I can’t afford a million dollar house now.

 

[pcgeek11]

The funny part is, just a couple days ago in another thread @pcgeek11 was trying to convince people he was impartial. That he doesn't understand why his wife watches Faux News. And yet, here he is, nothing but criticism for the democratic party, and making things up. Classic right wing nut job conservatism.

I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything.

I couldn't care less what the echo chamber here thinks.

 

[pcgeek11]

Geez, probably two Octogenarians in the ring after the primaries. Swell. Anyway, it's hard to see how Trump wins - he's damaged goods at this point and isn't the 'new hotness' anymore. I think the majority of America will go with the stable - even keeled choice that Biden is. We'll just have to suffer some level of unprecedented nastiness when the campaigns heat up.

stable - even keeled choice that Biden is.

🙄

 

[woolfe9998]

now they want to force EVs with out a power grid capable of supporting it.

This was debunked by someone else on the previous page and now you repeat it. First of all, giving a tax credit to purchase an EV is not "forcing."

Second, yes, our grid can handle a large volume of EV's.

Why Electric Vehicles Won’t Break the Grid

Though conservatives have attacked California officials for asking electric vehicle owners to unplug during a heat wave, experts say more electric cars won’t topple the power grid

www.scientificamerican.com

Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily – They Just Need Proper Management

One of the most frequent concerns you will see from electric vehicle haters is that the electricity grid can’t possibly cope with all cars becoming EVs. However, they haven’t done the math properly. The grids in most developed nations will be just fine. Here’s how.

www.forbes.com

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/can-the-nations-electrical-grid-support-electric-cars

 

[pcgeek11]

You see every day with the economy, inflation, the border, drugs, and immigration?

I’m curious as to what shit hole you live in or work in, that you are exposed to all the above? What is it you are doing in your daily life that exposes you to all of this? Exactly what are you personally seeing with the things you stated?

News, TV and Online.

Do you live under a rock?

 

[pcgeek11]

You claimed Biden made policies with no regard to how they affected the country. I irrefutably showed this was untrue. I think you should admit that.

"I irrefutably showed this was untrue."

No, you didn't.

 

[fskimospy]

"I irrefutably showed this was untrue."

No, you didn't.

You claimed he put no consideration into their effects on the country and then I directly linked you to a document showing his consideration into the effects on the country.

If you want to retreat to ‘he didn’t consider them ENOUGH’ that’s something you can do but what you said before is undeniably false and you should admit it.

 

[pcgeek11]

The new mortgage rules sound perfectly fair to me, and have nothing to do with the interest rate you get. Link for people interested in actual facts rather than a pcgeek11 misinformation filled rant: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/credit-score-home-mortgage-costs/story?id=98868025

Oh no, 1/8% more in fees vs the old rules, guess I can’t afford a million dollar house now.

OOps.
I said Rate I meant Fees.


From your linked article:

New federal rule causing major backlash from some home buyers. The new rule will hike mortgage rates for home buyers with higher credit scores in an effort to subsidize mortgage rates for those with riskier credit scores.

Beginning May 1, upfront fees for loans backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be adjusted because of changes in the Loan Level Price Adjustments (LLPAs). Those fees are based on things including the borrower's credit score, size of the down payment, type of home and more. In some cases, people with better credit scores may pay more in fees, while those with lower credit scores will pay less.

and

Some housing experts fear the new rules will encourage banks to lend to borrowers who perhaps shouldn't qualify for a mortgage in the first place. Lending to unqualified buyers is what led to the financial crisis of 2008; banks gave too many unqualified buyers home loans that they ultimately couldn't pay back.

"This confusing approach won't work and, more importantly, couldn't come at a worse time for an industry struggling to get back on its feet after these past 12 months," David Stevens, a former commissioner of the Federal Housing Administration during the Obama administration, wrote in a social media post. "To do this at the onset of the spring market is almost offensive to the market, consumers and lenders.

 

[pcgeek11]

This was debunked by someone else on the previous page and now you repeat it. First of all, giving a tax credit to purchase an EV is not "forcing."

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Steps to Drive American Leadership Forward on Clean Cars and Trucks | The White House

President Biden Outlines Target of 50% Electric Vehicle Sales Share in 2030 to Unleash Full Economic Benefits of Build Back Better Agenda and Advance

www.whitehouse.gov

Specifically, the President will sign an Executive Order that sets an ambitious new target to make half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 zero-emissions vehicles, including battery electric, plug-in hybrid electric, or fuel cell electric vehicles. The Executive Order also kicks off development of long-term fuel efficiency and emissions standards to save consumers money, cut pollution, boost public health, advance environmental justice, and tackle the climate crisis.

 

[woolfe9998]

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Steps to Drive American Leadership Forward on Clean Cars and Trucks | The White House

President Biden Outlines Target of 50% Electric Vehicle Sales Share in 2030 to Unleash Full Economic Benefits of Build Back Better Agenda and Advance

www.whitehouse.gov

Specifically, the President will sign an Executive Order that sets an ambitious new target to make half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 zero-emissions vehicles, including battery electric, plug-in hybrid electric, or fuel cell electric vehicles. The Executive Order also kicks off development of long-term fuel efficiency and emissions standards to save consumers money, cut pollution, boost public health, advance environmental justice, and tackle the climate crisis.

Target goals are not forcing things. What has been done is to extend the existing EV tax credit to the end of this year.

You are still ignoring the fact that our grid can handle the EV's. You're ignoring it because you're wrong and you know it.

 

[repoman0]

OOps.
I said Rate I meant Fees.


From your linked article:

New federal rule causing major backlash from some home buyers. The new rule will hike mortgage rates for home buyers with higher credit scores in an effort to subsidize mortgage rates for those with riskier credit scores.

Beginning May 1, upfront fees for loans backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be adjusted because of changes in the Loan Level Price Adjustments (LLPAs). Those fees are based on things including the borrower's credit score, size of the down payment, type of home and more. In some cases, people with better credit scores may pay more in fees, while those with lower credit scores will pay less.

and

Some housing experts fear the new rules will encourage banks to lend to borrowers who perhaps shouldn't qualify for a mortgage in the first place. Lending to unqualified buyers is what led to the financial crisis of 2008; banks gave too many unqualified buyers home loans that they ultimately couldn't pay back.

"This confusing approach won't work and, more importantly, couldn't come at a worse time for an industry struggling to get back on its feet after these past 12 months," David Stevens, a former commissioner of the Federal Housing Administration during the Obama administration, wrote in a social media post. "To do this at the onset of the spring market is almost offensive to the market, consumers and lenders.

I don’t buy it. It’s a difference of a few hundred bucks for a typical loan. Drop in the bucket for a well qualified older buyer but might help out younger buyers. As a young person with excellent credit and a nice house I’m all for paying a few extra bucks to help others who didn’t get the opportunities I got.

If you don’t like if you are free to get a loan not backed by Fannie/Freddy or pay cash.

Anyway, it certainly doesn’t help your argument here because although you might not like the policy, it is arguably a good one for the country and clearly wasn’t enacted out of malice.

 

[ivwshane]

News, TV and Online.

Do you live under a rock?

So not your personal experience and instead it’s an experience that is dictated to you via the media you consume. In other words your views are informed by other people and not your personal experience. I’m sure we both agree that Fox News lies to its viewers, of which your wife is one so how do you know the other media you consume is also not lying to you? It’s an important question I think we should all ask ourselves.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

*Knocks On Wood* How many civilizations fell or declined because of some goofy happenstance thing that occurred at a weird time and altered the course of history.

My nightmare scenario with an oldie like Biden running is that he kicks it close to the finish line and we're left with Kamala Harris to fuck everything up at the most crucial juncture.

Anyone can die at any time, but there is a huge difference between 50 and 80.

 

[ivwshane]

I don’t buy it. It’s a difference of a few hundred bucks for a typical loan. Drop in the bucket for a well qualified older buyer but might help out younger buyers. As a young person with excellent credit and a nice house I’m all for paying a few extra bucks to help others who didn’t get the opportunities I got.

If you don’t like if you are free to get a loan not backed by Fannie/Freddy or pay cash.

Anyway, it certainly doesn’t help your argument here because although you might not like the policy, it is arguably a good one for the country and clearly wasn’t enacted out of malice.

At the very least it certainly wasn’t enacted to the benefit of the democrat party.