Joe officially announces he's running again

[pcgeek11]

Ok but surely you understand that when you invent new definitions for words or phrases you can’t expect other people to follow your made up definition, right?

It’s like telling me the sky is green and when I say no you’re like ‘agree to disagree?’ Lol, no.

What did I make up?

 

[fskimospy]

What did I make up?

You made up a new definition for 'party over country'. Even if we take those dubious assertions as being 100% accurate absolutely nothing you wrote showed that Biden enacted policies he believed to be harmful to the country to benefit his political party, which is what that phrase means.

Republicans enacting tax cuts: bad policy, but not putting party before country.
Republicans keeping coup plotters in power because they are a Republican: putting party before country.

 

[pcgeek11]

You made up a new definition for 'party over country'. Even if we take those dubious assertions as being 100% accurate absolutely nothing you wrote showed that Biden enacted policies he believed to be harmful to the country to benefit his political party, which is what that phrase means.

Republicans enacting tax cuts: bad policy, but not putting party before country.
Republicans keeping coup plotters in power because they are a Republican: putting party before country.

New definition not found for "part over country".

Biden is enacting policies pushed by his party with no regard to the effect they have on the countries well being = Party Over Country. Which is what that phrase means.

No reason to argue about it as you aren't going to change your opinion and neither am I.

"dubious assertions" indeed. LOL

 

[fskimospy]

New definition not found for "part over country".

Biden is enacting policies pushed by his party with no regard to the effect they have on the countries well being = Party Over Country. Which is what that phrase means.

No reason to argue about it as you aren't going to change your opinion and neither am I.

"dubious assertions" indeed. LOL

What evidence do you have that Biden enacts his policies with no regard to their effect on the country? I'll answer that for you - you have zero. You just made it up.

You really think that Biden passed major bills and spent zero time thinking of what their effects would be? This is so obviously, ludicrously false I can't imagine you actually believe it. In fact you can even go read the Biden administration's projections for their effects yourself! (here's one example: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...5/by-the-numbers-the-inflation-reduction-act/)

With that in mind do you want to revise your statement?

 

[thilanliyan]

How is that not an answer.

I don't think Biden would try a coup Because it is an illegal action.

And also because he's not a criminal and wouldn't put himself above the nation's interests? Unlike the most likely GOP candidate 😀

 

[MrSquished]

Ok but surely you understand that when you invent new definitions for words or phrases you can’t expect other people to follow your made up definition, right?

It’s like telling me the sky is green and when I say no you’re like ‘agree to disagree?’ Lol, no.

No. He doesn't and never will. Like millions like him don't and will never. I can't believe people still don't get these basic things. Sad.

Know your enemy.

 

[purbeast0]

Border crisis and illegal migrants.

He removed many of the deterrent-focused policies that were successful at reducing the flow of illegal border crossings. This resulted in the cartels using massive border crossings to pass drugs into the US.

Fentanyl crisis and deaths. -

He refuses to do anything to stop the flow of Fentanyl into the US. Killing our youth in huge numbers. He barely even admits there is a problem.

Debt crisis and over spending. -

The Past is Prologue: Biden's Deficit Spending Record | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

Pushing for rapid move to EV's without having the power grid to support it. Cutting the oil production and causing us to be more dependent on other countries for our energy Oil, EV Batteries. Causing the US to be more dependent on foreign powers for our energy needs.

Inflation. -

He wants to keep on spending on his Green Energy Plan wanting immediate results with no path to get there. We can barely support the 2% EVs we have now. Reference Californias rolling backouts and calling for people to NOT plug in their cars. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html

"Specifically, the President will sign an Executive Order that sets an ambitious new target to make half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 zero-emissions vehicles, including battery electric, plug-in hybrid electric, or fuel cell electric vehicles."

**note it says Plug In Hybrid electric. plug in Hybrid Electric are not zero-emissions vehicles. They have a gasoline engine used in conjunction with the electric.

See?

Told you he couldn't lol.

 

[eelw]

New definition not found for "part over country".

Biden is enacting policies pushed by his party with no regard to the effect they have on the countries well being = Party Over Country. Which is what that phrase means.

No reason to argue about it as you aren't going to change your opinion and neither am I.

"dubious assertions" indeed. LOL

Fine your definition of it. But all of us here consider it when someone looks past all the illegal stuff one has done but is still willing to support them because they refuse to vote for a Dem.

 

[pauldun170]

Ancient guy with experience as a servant to the people.
Slightly less ancient guy who is a fucking psychotic moron.
Youger nutjob fascists in training.
Clowncar of culture warriors and nutjobs who love GOP paid for dinners.

Your pick

 

[Vic]

Border crisis and illegal migrants.

He removed many of the deterrent-focused policies that were successful at reducing the flow of illegal border crossings. This resulted in the cartels using massive border crossings to pass drugs into the US.

Fentanyl crisis and deaths. -

He refuses to do anything to stop the flow of Fentanyl into the US. Killing our youth in huge numbers. He barely even admits there is a problem.

Debt crisis and over spending. -

The Past is Prologue: Biden's Deficit Spending Record | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

Pushing for rapid move to EV's without having the power grid to support it. Cutting the oil production and causing us to be more dependent on other countries for our energy Oil, EV Batteries. Causing the US to be more dependent on foreign powers for our energy needs.

Inflation. -

He wants to keep on spending on his Green Energy Plan wanting immediate results with no path to get there. We can barely support the 2% EVs we have now. Reference Californias rolling backouts and calling for people to NOT plug in their cars. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html

"Specifically, the President will sign an Executive Order that sets an ambitious new target to make half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 zero-emissions vehicles, including battery electric, plug-in hybrid electric, or fuel cell electric vehicles."

**note it says Plug In Hybrid electric. plug in Hybrid Electric are not zero-emissions vehicles. They have a gasoline engine used in conjunction with the electric.

Funny how all of these problems (except for inflation) were just as bad if not worse while Trump was POTUS and you weren't complaining then.
Illegal border crossings, fentanyl deaths, and deficit spending are all down since Biden took office.
As for inflation, I hate to break it to you and the rest of the RWNJ world, but the POTUS has almost zero power over that. That's the Fed's fault. Powell is the one running the money printing presses. Note that inflation is now largely under control since the Fed started raising rates.

 

[MrSquished]

Funny how all of these problems (except for inflation) were just as bad if not worse while Trump was POTUS and you weren't complaining then.
Illegal border crossings, fentanyl deaths, and deficit spending are all down since Biden took office.
As for inflation, I hate to break it to you and the rest of the RWNJ world, but the POTUS has almost zero power over that. That's the Fed's fault. Powell is the one running the money printing presses. Note that inflation is now largely under control since the Fed started raising rates.

Inflation is also not just a US problem, it is/was a huge global issue. But he will never tell you how Biden has increased inflation world wide. Because people like him will never be honest, because they are the enemy.

 

[A///]

The age is an issue I'm concerned about but given the desecration of this country at the hands of republicans for decades any logical person should be a straight blue voter.

I was really hoping Pete buttigieg was going to run.

It’s anyone but republicans at this point.

I doubt we'll ever see a gay or female president in our lifetimes. a female vp was already ground breaking and a huge issue for months for one particular side.

 

[eelw]

I doubt we'll ever see a gay or female president in our lifetimes. a female vp was already ground breaking and a huge issue for months for one particular side.

I don’t know, wouldn’t be surprised for an AOC and MTG matchup in the 2030’s

 

[A///]

I don’t know, wouldn’t be surprised for an AOC and MTG matchup in the 2030’s

I was going to respond with you're giving mtg too much credit here but then I remembered who the last republican moron won the presidency was. I can see mtg fizzing out in a few years once the trump nonesense goes away. Boebert is the real problem. As dumb and crazy as she is, she exudes that years gone sarah palin chucklefuck republican quality voters on the right adore.

 

[manly]

I like Joe Biden I think he was the right man at the right time and has done better than I thought but it's a simple fact he is not as good of a candidate 3 years later.

The fact that some Democrats have a knee jerk reaction to just accept Biden as good enough, which is still a hypothetical for an election still over a year away, and to be resistant to any other possibilities, is just short sighted

I think it shows a general flaw in the thinking of many Democrats who think this way, and part of why we are where we are now.

And I just don't agree Biden can beat any GQP nominee, at all

If the general election was held today, there's a good chance Biden would lose to DeathSantis. Biden may lead in head to head polls over Trump, but I don't think it's a certain victory. The real problem is that in the modern era, a 43% approval rating (on election day) means the incumbent will lose. Although there's plenty of time for Biden's approval rating to recover, it's been stuck in the low 40s since late summer 2021. There is a pretty wide gap between what Biden has accomplished vs. how Americans view his presidency. With even many Democratic voters unexcited about Biden's final campaign, it's unclear whether this perception problem is even fixable.

Although you would think by now, people would know full well what Trump is, don't underestimate the stupidity of the electorate. Jan 6th aside, I think it's a benefit for Trump not to be the sitting president. In fall 2020, we were all constantly reminded how terrible of a chief executive he is. As pandemic memories fade, it's possible that some swing voters may seemingly forget how disastrous the Trump presidency was.

 

[HomerJS]

I am of the opinion that Biden and his administration has put party before country in many instances. Of course I know that many on here do not care.

Examples:

Border crisis and flood of illegal aliens.
Fentanyl crisis and deaths.
Debt crisis and over spending.
Inflation.

Biden even refuses to negotiate with the Congress about the budget.

Biden did not cause inflation.

Fentanyl - You pretend Biden is choosing to ignore it. It's coming in through legal ports of entry. They are working at cutting the source of raw materials (China) and production (South America)

Border - Republicans refuse coming to the table on immigration reform while at the same time increasing incentives for illegal crossings by lowing work age requirements. 13 year olds working night shift at slaughter houses.

Spending - We never hear righties complain about spending when they are in charge so they don't really care about it.

Budget - Biden is willing to negotiate the budget but NOT over the debt ceiling. It was passed cleanly when Trump was in office so why not now?

 

[fskimospy]

If the general election was held today, there's a good chance Biden would lose to DeathSantis. Biden may lead in head to head polls over Trump, but I don't think it's a certain victory. The real problem is that in the modern era, a 43% approval rating (on election day) means the incumbent will lose. Although there's plenty of time for Biden's approval rating to recover, it's been stuck in the low 40s since late summer 2021. There is a pretty wide gap between what Biden has accomplished vs. how Americans view his presidency. With even many Democratic voters unexcited about Biden's final campaign, it's unclear whether this perception problem is even fixable.

Although you would think by now, people would know full well what Trump is, don't underestimate the stupidity of the electorate. Jan 6th aside, I think it's a benefit for Trump not to be the sitting president. In fall 2020, we were all constantly reminded how terrible of a chief executive he is. As pandemic memories fade, it's possible that some swing voters may seemingly forget how disastrous the Trump presidency was.

As an important note Biden’s approval rating today is roughly the same as Obama and Clinton at this point in their first term.

 

[MrSquished]

As an important note Biden’s approval rating today is roughly the same as Obama and Clinton at this point in their first term.

As an important note the political landscape now is fundamentally different than from their presidencies. Also another important note, Bill Clinton and Obama were much younger than Biden and actually very inspirational. Comparing Biden to Clinton and Obama is just not a good one.

 

[manly]

As an important note Biden’s approval rating today is roughly the same as Obama and Clinton at this point in their first term.

I already stated there's plenty of time until the general election, but Obama and Clinton aren't really comparable IMO. They were both young presidents, whereas Biden is already the oldest in history. I personally have little problem with his age itself, but many people do and there's little reason to believe they will feel otherwise in another year.

According to Gallup, Clinton's first term average approval was 50%. His nadir was in 1994, when the Republican Revolution midterms went down. By spring 1995, his rating had improved and would steadily do so until his easy reelection.
Obama's first time average was 49%. In 2011, it dropped as low as 40% in the fall, but occasionally ran as high as 50%.
In contrast, Biden's approval rating has consistently been in the low 40s for well over a year (despite very low unemployment).

Like I said, there is a very wide gap between what Biden has accomplished with the narrowest of Congressional advantages vs. how Americans perceive him. If that problem is durable, I don't see how Biden's approval rating can recover to the ~ 48% that it'll need to be to win the general. Whoever the GOP nominee ends up being, the Biden campaign has a lot of work remaining. (But reading the first page of this thread, all I see is a lot of confidence.)

Edit:
Ninja'd by MrSquished haha

 

[fskimospy]

As an important note the political landscape now is fundamentally different than from their presidencies. Also another important note, Bill Clinton and Obama were much younger than Biden and actually very inspirational. Comparing Biden to Clinton and Obama is just not a good one.

People can always come up with reasons why things are different.

 

[MrSquished]

People can always come up with reasons why things are different.

People can always put their heads in the sand and ignore the reality around them. Things change. Do you think any fundamental things have changed in this country in the last six years compared to the mid Clinton years and mid Obama years?

Good luck!

btw do you still think Ron DeSantis would respect institutions like Democracy if he got power?

 

[Paratus]

Border crisis and illegal migrants.

He removed many of the deterrent-focused policies that were successful at reducing the flow of illegal border crossings. This resulted in the cartels using massive border crossings to pass drugs into the US.

Fentanyl crisis and deaths. -

He refuses to do anything to stop the flow of Fentanyl into the US. Killing our youth in huge numbers. He barely even admits there is a problem.

Debt crisis and over spending. -

The Past is Prologue: Biden's Deficit Spending Record | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

Pushing for rapid move to EV's without having the power grid to support it. Cutting the oil production and causing us to be more dependent on other countries for our energy Oil, EV Batteries. Causing the US to be more dependent on foreign powers for our energy needs.

Inflation. -

He wants to keep on spending on his Green Energy Plan wanting immediate results with no path to get there. We can barely support the 2% EVs we have now. Reference Californias rolling backouts and calling for people to NOT plug in their cars. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html

"Specifically, the President will sign an Executive Order that sets an ambitious new target to make half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 zero-emissions vehicles, including battery electric, plug-in hybrid electric, or fuel cell electric vehicles."

**note it says Plug In Hybrid electric. plug in Hybrid Electric are not zero-emissions vehicles. They have a gasoline engine used in conjunction with the electric.

@Vic already addressed a lot of this so I’ll address the EVs.

Your ignorance about EVs and the grid doesn’t mean he’s putting country before party. It’s actually the opposite. Pushing for the US to be at the forefront of EV and battery manufacturing strengthens the country. Combating climate change reduces damage to the country and in doing so strengthens it.

You made up your comment about the grid “barely supporting 2% of EVs” and you cherry picked EVs to insinuate they were responsible for rolling blackouts in CA. They were not.

Californians asked to conserve power amid brutal heat wave

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Californians sweltering in the West’s lengthening heat wave were asked to reduce air conditioning and cut other electricity use again during critical hours Friday and again Saturday to prevent stress on the state’s electrical grid that could lead to rolling blackouts.

apnews.com

“
California’s “Flex Alerts” urge conservation between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m., the hours when production of solar energy declines. The grid operator urges people to use major appliances, charge electric cars and cool down their homes earlier in the day, then turn up thermostats to 78 degrees (25.5 Celsius) or higher.

“The No. 1 most effective conservation measure is to set thermostats to 78 or higher” because air conditioners are the biggest users of electricity in the summer, Anne Gonzales, a spokeswoman for the grid operator, said in an email.”

Why didn’t you mention the number one help was turning up or off the AC during heat waves? You didn’t because you were either ignorant of the reason behind the power issues or you were cherry picking to win points.

EVs by the way mostly charge at night which isn’t affected by heat waves. Because they charge at night even Texas’s shitty grid could handle 4M+ EVs without changing a single thing right now. That’s about 20-25% of all cars in Texas not 2%.

 

[ivwshane]

New definition not found for "part over country".

Biden is enacting policies pushed by his party with no regard to the effect they have on the countries well being = Party Over Country. Which is what that phrase means.

No reason to argue about it as you aren't going to change your opinion and neither am I.

"dubious assertions" indeed. LOL

This is really disappointing. You’ve clearly made up your own definition. What you’ve described are policy disagreements. I wish the political discussions all around this country were about policy disagreements, sadly that stopped happening around 2015.

Putting party before country isn’t about policies, it’s about protecting party members from accountability, it’s about ignoring political issues in order to protect or strengthen the party.

For instance if we had a senate with one party being a majority by one member and that party had a member who was involved in a crime and they decided not to take any action against their party member because they would lose their majority, that would be an example of putting the party first.

Having a party support or oppose a policy you agree with or disagree with because that’s what their constituents want, is not an example of putting party before country.

The closest example of putting party before country where “both sides” might apply would be the use of gerrymandering to maintain political power.

 

[MrSquished]

This is really disappointing. You’ve clearly made up your own definition. What you’ve described are policy disagreements. I wish the political discussions all around this country were about policy disagreements, sadly that stopped happening around 2015.

Putting party before country isn’t about policies, it’s about protecting party members from accountability, it’s about ignoring political issues in order to protect or strengthen the party.

For instance if we had a senate with one party being a majority by one member and that party had a member who was involved in a crime and they decided not to take any action against their party member because they would lose their majority, that would be an example of putting the party first.

Having a party support or oppose a policy you agree with or disagree with because that’s what their constituents want, is not an example of putting party before country.

The closest example of putting party before country where “both sides” might apply would be the use of gerrymandering to maintain political power.

Disappointing is when you expect something better and someone lets you down because they are generally pretty good or reasonable most of the time. We've probably all chatted on these forums with this dude for years at this point and this is exactly what we expect from him. Absolutely no disappointment for me just reaffirmation of what I know to be the people that are on the other side of the decency we expect from our country and population. IF we haven't learned from that guy in 5 years plus, man, we are way fucking behind reality at this point.

Know your enemy

 

[kage69]

No, I don't think that he would. A coup is illegal.
I'm not bothsideing it.

It is pretty simple:

Did Trump have classified documents illegally? YES.

Did Biden have classified documents illegally? YES.

Did Pence have classified documents illegally? YES

Did other past politicians have classified documents illegally? More than likely.

How are you still this uninformed regarding the vast difference between the Trump and Biden examples. Not just the sheer difference in volume of material, one of those people lied and tried to conceal stolen documents, repeatedly, and the other person is Joe Biden.

This is called being obtuse what you are doing, or can you admit it's pretty simple but for different fucking reasons? It's disgusting how you still carry the traitors water