Joe Biden tells coal miners they can "learn how to program"

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K1052

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jules verne's son michel wrote stories about them, so, we're already through the "imagination for many years" part into the "this might actually be workable" part.

anyway, building a hyperloop would require leaving west virginia, which is a non-starter for all the people who haven't figured out they should leave in the first place.

the only infrastructure west virginia is probably good for is building big wind farms coupled with pumped storage hydro.

I'm content to let Dubai give it a try first since they are fond of wasting piles of cash.

It would probably be best (and even cheapest) just to simply bribe everybody in WV to move to GA or TX where there is something resembling a future.
 

Starbuck1975

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That's what Hillary did in 2016. Telling them the truth isn't talking down to them. You're being extremely disingenuous.
Clinton won coal country by a landslide in 2008. Her gaffe of putting “a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” is not truth. It’s utter tone deaf echo chamber stupidity. Even she acknowledges her error in HOW she communicated that “truth”, so you can put your buckets and pearls down.
 

1prophet

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There are all sorts of blue collar jobs they could adapt to that could use their know-how.
It has nothing to do with blue-collar jobs and adapting, it has to do with corporate America not wanting to pay living wages and using h1bs, outsourcing and illegals to avoid doing so while they sell the pipe dream of retraining and college as the answer for the displaced masses,

and as for programming jobs, it's amazing how stupid or disingenuous so-called liberals have become with their entrenched tribalism and adapting the same work harder pull yourself up by your bootstraps, Ayn Rand mentality they always like to point the finger at conservatives for using, that they defend Biden on this because of their hatred for Trump,

the real problem is corporate America loves to use the United States Constitution to defend their profits and cleverly avoid taxes through their lobbied loopholes, but purposely forget the part that says we not me,

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare"

and end up using Americans and the country as a forest that they have no problem clear-cutting for profits but in their mind, it is somebody elses responsibility to take care of it afterwards and replant the job trees and fix the damage they have caused to the same country they rely upon to protect their interests.
Foreign coders get over 25 percent of America’s programming jobs

In the aftermath of the Great Recession, Americans felt increasingly insecure about finding decent, well-paid, middle-class jobs. So thousands of people made the same decision: become a computer programmer.
Since 2007, the number of newly declared undergraduates computer science majors has grown 130 percent to more than 28,000. And in 2015, non-degree granting “coding bootcamps,” which cropped up around the country, also churned out roughly 16,000 graduates. The interest is easy to understand. Median salaries in the computer and technology information industry hover around $80,000, and jobs projected to grow faster than average through 2024.


But if working with computers and IT were supposed to be the high-wage American jobs of the future, there’s one small catch: a large and growing share of these workers in America aren’t American. That’s a fact that seems to have captured the attention of the Trump, who is in a position realign American immigration policy in a way that could reshape the labor market for technology workers in the U.S.
In 1980, just 7.1 percent of American computer science jobs were occupied by foreign-born workers. That share grew to 27.8 percent by 2010, amid breakneck growth in a tech sector that became increasingly reliant on highly skilled, visa-holding immigrants
As a candidate, President Donald Trump repeatedly denounced offshoring among manufacturers and low-skilled immigration in an ultimately effective effort to win over some working-class voters. But fewer people noticed that he also periodically — though inconsistently — trained his fire on higher-skilled immigrant workers.
Trump made a campaign issue of a lawsuit filed by former Disney employees in Florida. Those Disney workers had been replaced by foreign workers who they were responsible for training. He claimed on his campaign website that visa programs — such as the one championed by Sen. Marco Rubio, a contender for the Republican nomination — would workers “decimate” American some workers. After seeming to backtrack on that position during a Republican debate, he released a statement confirming his position on foreign guest worker programs, most prominently the H1-B visa program.

“I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida,” Trump’s statement said.
Now in the White House, the Trump administration is making changes to the H1-B program, an important source of America’s foreign-born tech workers. In late March, the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services announced that entry-level computer programmers would no longer automatically qualify to apply for the visa program. The agency, part of the Department of Homeland Security, issues 85,000 visas each year, with the lion’s share going to Indian tech workers. It also announced early this month that “combating fraud in our employment-based immigration programs” is a priority for the agency.
While the implications of the announcement aren’t clear, it did introduce uncertainty into a system that has grown to be a large cornerstone of the American tech economy. The planned changes also, at least superficially, move to reshape the goals of American immigration policy, prioritizing the prospects of some American-born workers. On the other hand, American companies claim limiting their access to foreign workers hurts their ability to compete by stopping them from bringing talented workers from around the world into the U.S. They say that the U.S. immigration system should aim to encourage talented technology workers to come to the U.S.

“We need to make sure we have a system of immigration that allows that to happen,” says Todd Schulte, president of FWD.us, an immigration reform advocacy group funded, in-part, by several high-profile technology executives including Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates.
Tech firms argue that they need the H1-B program because they can’t find the skilled workers they need in U.S. But critics argue that large presence of foreign workers are simply a cost-cutting measure aimed at keeping a lid programming wages and effectively weaken incentives for would-be American tech workers to learn important skills.
If that is what tech companies are doing, it works. In a 2015 paper, economists estimated that wages of American computer programmers were 2.8 to 3.8 percent lower than they would have been without the presence of visa-holding foreign workers. Furthermore, economists also estimated that the presence of foreign programmers lowered the number of native-born programmers by between 7 to 14 percent. On the other hand, foreign workers help boost GDP, raise overall averages wages, and help the growth of the IT sector as well as the profits of tech companies.
“The economy as a whole wins — and the average worker. But the average does hide some amount of distributional consequences,” said Gaurav Khanna, one of the economists that wrote that paper. “Some people get a thinner slice of that pie.”
If this kind of tradeoff sounds familiar — enhanced overall economic growth at the expense of a specific group of American workers — it’s largely the same framework that economists have used to explain the costs and benefits of trade for decades.

At its heart, these debates reflect a core economic reality Americans have long had trouble accepting: free markets do not exist.
American policy-makers often pride themselves on their efforts not to “pick winners and losers” among workers and companies in the economy. But the truth is that all markets have rules. And the design of those rules can have big impacts on supply and demand, and therefore, prices. For example, the rules that determine whether foreign coders can work in the U.S. either increase or decrease the supply of programmers in the U.S. and, assuming relatively stable demand, increase or decrease how much coders get paid.
America’s trade rules — low tariffs and ineffective enforcement of trade deals — have prioritized the highly educated, service employees people like attorneys and financial workers, consumers and companies that benefitted under globalization, while effectively sacrificing manufacturing employment.
In the U.S., we set the rules through an ugly process known as politics. And the answers we get under President Trump could look quite different from what came before.
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Starbuck1975

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Sure, sure. Now do you have any suggestions on how to go about that? No? Yeah, no one else does either. That is why Democrats are giving them the suggestions they do have.
They’re not very good suggestions, which is why the targets of the message are rejecting it

It is not talking down to someone to tell them the truth.
You think they don’t know the truth? Of course they do. They are looking for empathy and solutions.

Their skills are no longer applicable, and they are going to have to learn new ones or accept government handouts. That is just the truth, not condescending. If anyone comes up with a better solution I feel positive that Democrats would back it. So you really think it is less condescending to treat them like rubes that can be easily lied to as long as you are telling them something they want to hear? Trump lied to them. He spun nice sounding fantasy, but had no real plan.
Kind of like Hope and Change
 

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Clinton won coal country by a landslide in 2008. Her gaffe of putting “a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” is not truth. It’s utter tone deaf echo chamber stupidity. Even she acknowledges her error in HOW she communicated that “truth”, so you can put your buckets and pearls down.

Uhmm, no. She won coal country in a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY where the choice was between her and a black dude. This has nothing to do with general election results. (West Virginia hasn’t gone blue in about a quarter century now) Obama won Mississippi in a landslide in the same primary but lost by 30 in the general. Where is the soul searching about where he went wrong in the general election?

Things are never going to get better until conservatives stop trying to blame Democrats for their bad decisions. The rust belt didn’t go for Trump due to ‘economic anxiety’, it went that way because working class whites felt racially threatened. Trump ran almost exclusively on white identity politics, after all.
 

K1052

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Clinton won coal country by a landslide in 2008. Her gaffe of putting “a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” is not truth. It’s utter tone deaf echo chamber stupidity. Even she acknowledges her error in HOW she communicated that “truth”, so you can put your buckets and pearls down.

Lol WV hasn't sent a Dem to the White House since 96 but alright go off.
 

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What I’m really waiting for is Starbuck to come out with a few posts about how if Trump doesn’t stop insulting the wind power industry (about double the number of people employed as coal) their employees are going to be terribly offended and it will cost him the election.

Odd how you never see those. I wonder why?
 

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What I’m really waiting for is Starbuck to come out with a few posts about how if Trump doesn’t stop insulting the wind power industry (about double the number of people employed as coal) their employees are going to be terribly offended and it will cost him the election.

Odd how you never see those. I wonder why?
After all his creed is nosides right?
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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This entire country is fixated on meta jobs. High schools, parents and, peers promote nothing else. Mike Rowe is right about dirty jobs. He should be our Secretary of Education.
 

cytg111

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blablabla
So nothing. You got nothing. What think you have is : Dont do what they do now. What else should they do? You dont know.
They could lie. Like Trump. Is that better than "reeducation" message?
You are a walking paradox.
 

K1052

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This entire country is fixated on meta jobs. High schools, parents and, peers promote nothing else. Mike Rowe is right about dirty jobs. He should be our Secretary of Education.

There is an enormous amount of work to be had in the trades. The problem is that many rural Americans are simply unwilling to move where that work is. An ocean of questionably legal labor is busy building out he massive growth in the sun belt because they'll come.
 
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Starbuck1975

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Uhmm, no. She won coal country in a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY where the choice was between her and a black dude. This has nothing to do with general election results. (West Virginia hasn’t gone blue in about a quarter century now) Obama won Mississippi in a landslide in the same primary but lost by 30 in the general. Where is the soul searching about where he went wrong in the general election?
My mistake for not clarifying

Things are never going to get better until conservatives stop trying to blame Democrats for their bad decisions. The rust belt didn’t go for Trump due to ‘economic anxiety’, it went that way because working class whites felt racially threatened. Trump ran almost exclusively on white identity politics, after all.
We are seeing a political realignment along several culture war fault lines, race being one of them. Hence Julian Castro blaming race for his failed campaign. Plenty of identity politics to go around.

Working class whites were the heart and soul of the New Deal. In the rust belt, they were hit hardest by globalization and cheap labor. Kicking them while they’re down opened the door to Trump.
 

Starbuck1975

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What I’m really waiting for is Starbuck to come out with a few posts about how if Trump doesn’t stop insulting the wind power industry (about double the number of people employed as coal) their employees are going to be terribly offended and it will cost him the election.

Odd how you never see those. I wonder why?
Are wind industry employees concentrated in areas or regions critical to an electoral coalition?
 

fskimospy

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My mistake for not clarifying

We are seeing a political realignment along several culture war fault lines, race being one of them. Hence Julian Castro blaming race for his failed campaign. Plenty of identity politics to go around.

Julian Castro isn’t the nominee. Identity politics is primarily a conservative thing as it has been for a long time now.

Working class whites were the heart and soul of the New Deal. Kicking them while they’re down opened the door to Trump.

It really didn’t, there’s no evidence of economic anxiety as a predictor of a Trump vote.

Electing a black guy opened the door to Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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My mistake for not clarifying

We are seeing a political realignment along several culture war fault lines, race being one of them. Hence Julian Castro blaming race for his failed campaign. Plenty of identity politics to go around.

Working class whites were the heart and soul of the New Deal. In the rust belt, they were hit hardest by globalization and cheap labor. Kicking them while they’re down opened the door to Trump.

Where did you get the idea that Castro blamed race? A quote would be nice.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You're on a mission to tear down the Democrats, right? Any of them will do.

And the whole bit about the New Deal is exquisite doublespeak. When rust belt voters swooned for Reagan they also embraced the libertopian jerb creator ideology of trickle down economics. Let free market Capitalism provide! Let the greediest people in the world have their way with us!

Which is exactly what happened to them. But it's the Democrats' fault, obviously, because freedumb counts, ya know?
 
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ivwshane

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Where did you get the idea that Castro blamed race? A quote would be nice.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You're on a mission to tear down the Democrats, right? Any of them will do.

Come on now, Starbuck really wants Democrats to beat trump, that’s why he’s always concerned trolling! You don’t think he’s being disingenuous do you? Just go back to any post about republicans or trump and you’ll see him condemning their actions...o_O:tearsofjoy:
 
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