Joe Biden tells coal miners they can "learn how to program"

[Brainonska511]

Idiot? The number one rockstar in existence right now, been in the zone for three decades, space, electric, finanse, solar ... Is a loudmouth idiot. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalrighty then .

Having a few good ideas in some areas and billions of dollars doesn't mean we should value his opinion on every possible field he feels like opining on.

His hyperloop and car tunnels are just utter nonsense from a mobility standpoint. Just ask the people that actually know stuff about road design and mass transit systems.

 

[Starbuck1975]

oK ok ok.... to the “all fault to the librards” possy here... we seem to agree that coal is going away... But I dont hear alot of solutions from you guys... what would your message to these miners be???

Acknowledge their plight and offer viable solutions that reflects an understanding of how to repurpose their skills while resisting the temptation to talk down to them for failing to navigate a situation well beyond their control.

Or, you can gloat over how stupid they are and revel in your own privilege, only to spend another four years clutching your pearls on an internet forum when they in turn use the one weapon they do have, their votes. Trump wasn’t a solution, he was a response.

 

[K1052]

Ds do need better appeals than this tho in order to sell it. What about that big infrastructure plan Trump did nothing with?

I'd like to see them push a big investment plan to build up these areas so that they can actually build and attract new jobs and let the free market figure out what they are, plus construction jobs are good jobs now.

Americans aren't willing to pay for a new deal scale program directly. You'd have to hide the cost through various taxes.

We'll pay through the fucking nose if you can obfuscate how it actually works.

 

[K1052]

Having a few good ideas in some areas and billions of dollars doesn't mean we should value his opinion on every possible field he feels like opining on.

His hyperloop and car tunnels are just utter nonsense from a mobility standpoint. Just ask the people that actually know stuff about road design and mass transit systems.

Like moronic ideas for rescuing kids out of a flooded cave and accusing somebody else of being a pedo when they call your plan dumb.

The hyperloop is a very American solution to a problem everybody else knows how to solve. It's insanely expensive, highly impractical, and likely to occupy our imaginations for many years instead of actually working on the real problems.

 

[Bitek]

Americans aren't willing to pay for a new deal scale program directly. You'd have to hide the cost through various taxes.

We'll pay through the fucking nose if you can obfuscate how it actually works.

IDK if they were willing to pay for farm bailouts or trillions in tax cuts for rich people, but we did it anyway.

I think there is a lesson there to just do it and defend it with the results later.

Eg "easier to ask for forgiveness than permission."

I know my local roads and aren't "too nice" and upgrading them would be very welcome.

 

[ivwshane]

IDK if they were willing to pay for farm bailouts or trillions in tax cuts for rich people, but we did it anyway.

I think there is a lesson there to just do it and defend it with the results later.

Eg "easier to ask for premission than forgiveness."

I know my local roads and aren't "too nice" and upgrading them would be very welcome.

It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission

 

[Bitek]

It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission

Goddamnit. I was thinking about my wife
Fixed ..

 

[K1052]

IDK if they were willing to pay for farm bailouts or trillions in tax cuts for rich people, but we did it anyway.

I think there is a lesson there to just do it and defend it with the results later.

You still need the appropriate the money in the first place via legislation. The farm bailout stems from an already granted, if arguably misused, authority.

Though if the courts eventually say that the president can simply reprogram defense money to anything he sees fit there could be more opportunities.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Acknowledge their plight and offer viable solutions that reflects an understanding of how to repurpose their skills while resisting the temptation to talk down to them for failing to navigate a situation well beyond their control.

Or, you can gloat over how stupid they are and revel in your own privilege, only to spend another four years clutching your pearls on an internet forum when they in turn use the one weapon they do have, their votes. Trump wasn’t a solution, he was a response.

so like a retraining program that would focus on high growth areas? Where have I heard that one before? Didn't a 2016 candidate propose such a thing to aid communities that relied on coal? Hmmm....

 

[ch33zw1z]

so like a retraining program that would focus on high growth areas? Where have I heard that one before? Didn't a 2016 candidate propose such a thing to aid communities that relied on coal? Hmmm....

Huh? Whuh? Nope, democrats never offered anything, just child trafficking pizza joints and high brow insults.

Hillary Clinton proposes $30bn lifeline for hard-hit coal communities

Infrastructure and education in poor mining regions among targets of funding, as well as repurposing of lands and power plant sites for other industries

www.theguardian.com

Why Can't Clinton Connect With Coal Miners?

The Democratic candidate has detailed, practical plans to help Appalachia—so why aren’t voters there listening?

www.theatlantic.com

 

[cytg111]

Acknowledge their plight and offer viable solutions that reflects an understanding of how to repurpose their skills while resisting the temptation to talk down to them for failing to navigate a situation well beyond their control.

Or, you can gloat over how stupid they are and revel in your own privilege, only to spend another four years clutching your pearls on an internet forum when they in turn use the one weapon they do have, their votes. Trump wasn’t a solution, he was a response.

Wtf are you on about? Was I not clear? WHAT IS A VIABLE SOLUTION IN YOUR MIND??... sorry, have to go vomit now, too many victim cards for one day...

 

[cytg111]

Having a few good ideas in some areas and billions of dollars doesn't mean we should value his opinion on every possible field he feels like opining on.

His hyperloop and car tunnels are just utter nonsense from a mobility standpoint. Just ask the people that actually know stuff about road design and mass transit systems.

"A few good ideas" ... "Arm chair entrepreneurs" ... I dont know if the hyperloop is doable in America but a couple of things is for certain.

1. All big things have small beginnings
2. A betting men would think twice betting against a Musk project.

That is not to say that Elons "Boring Company" will ever amount to anything, but ehm ... Elon. Idiot. Few good ideas. Dont listen.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalrighty then .
You do you, Ill do me.

Progress Speeds Up on Dubai to Abu Dhabi UAE Hyperloop — Red Herring

Five years after Elon Musk imagined the Hyperloop, two companies are vying to make it a reality between the United Arab Emirates’ two most prominent cities. The proposed Hyperloop between Dubai and…

www.redherring.com

 

[SMOGZINN]

Acknowledge their plight and offer viable solutions that reflects an understanding of how to repurpose their skills while resisting the temptation to talk down to them for failing to navigate a situation well beyond their control.

Sure, sure. Now do you have any suggestions on how to go about that? No? Yeah, no one else does either. That is why Democrats are giving them the suggestions they do have. It is not talking down to someone to tell them the truth. Their skills are no longer applicable, and they are going to have to learn new ones or accept government handouts. That is just the truth, not condescending. If anyone comes up with a better solution I feel positive that Democrats would back it.

Or, you can gloat over how stupid they are and revel in your own privilege, only to spend another four years clutching your pearls on an internet forum when they in turn use the one weapon they do have, their votes. Trump wasn’t a solution, he was a response.

So you really think it is less condescending to treat them like rubes that can be easily lied to as long as you are telling them something they want to hear? Trump lied to them. He spun nice sounding fantasy, but had no real plan.

 

[soundforbjt]

Shouldn't we do like the OP did and abandon this thread now?

 

[brycejones]

Acknowledge their plight and offer viable solutions that reflects an understanding of how to repurpose their skills while resisting the temptation to talk down to them for failing to navigate a situation well beyond their control.

That's what Hillary did in 2016. Telling them the truth isn't talking down to them. You're being extremely disingenuous.

 

[brycejones]

Shouldn't we do like the OP did and abandon this thread now?

The OP had a very short lived manic episode.

 

[ShookKnight]

Biden is a complete ass.

Doesn't he know that they can clean coal instead of programming computers?!

What Trump has said about 'clean coal' and what it is

It is widely seen as a propaganda for the coal industry.

abcnews.go.com

"We've ended the war on beautiful, clean coal. and it's just been announced that a second, brand new coal mine where they're going to take out clean coal — meaning they're taking out coal, they're going to clean it — is opening in the state of Pennsylvania," Trump said.

And, just to be clear; Biden is correct in suggesting they learn something else. How and why Trump wasn't dropped as soon as he said this idiocy is beyond me.

 

[ivwshane]

That's what Hillary did in 2016. Telling them the truth isn't talking down to them. You're being extremely disingenuous.

He can’t help who he is.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He can’t help who he is.

It's no doubt that the fallback will be to this:

Basket of deplorables - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Maybe conservatives should take the time to process information instead of shoot first ask later.

 

[Brainonska511]

"A few good ideas" ... "Arm chair entrepreneurs" ... I dont know if the hyperloop is doable in America but a couple of things is for certain.

1. All big things have small beginnings
2. A betting men would think twice betting against a Musk project.

That is not to say that Elons "Boring Company" will ever amount to anything, but ehm ... Elon. Idiot. Few good ideas. Dont listen.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalrighty then .
You do you, Ill do me.

Progress Speeds Up on Dubai to Abu Dhabi UAE Hyperloop — Red Herring

Five years after Elon Musk imagined the Hyperloop, two companies are vying to make it a reality between the United Arab Emirates’ two most prominent cities. The proposed Hyperloop between Dubai and…

www.redherring.com

Hyperloops and personal vehicle tunnels for EVs do not solve the known problems of transportation in America. We don't need new technology here, just political will. Other cities and countries have figured this out, but American exceptionalism means we have to do thjngs the stupid and expensive way, then throw up our hands screaming "America is different" when those new, unproven technologies fail to pan out.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hyperloops and personal vehicle tunnels for EVs do not solve the known problems of transportation in America. We don't need new technology here, just political will. Other cities and countries have figured this out, but American exceptionalism means we have to do thjngs the stupid and expensive way, then throw up our hands screaming "America is different" when those new, unproven technologies fail to pan out.

You know, I get the same feeling Everytime I have to convert a measurement to metric.

 

[GobBluth]

Biden tells coal miners to “learn to code”

The 2020 presidential hopeful advises coal miners to move into new industries — but it’s not that simple.

thehill.com

The Hill's Saager Enjeti furthers rips him saying he is already making the same mistakes Clinton made in 2016:

Saager Enjeti rips Biden, says coal miner remarks harken back to Clinton mistakes of 2016

Hill.TV host Saagar Enjeti ripped former Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday for saying that coal miners should learn how to code.Enjeti argued that Biden is making the same mistakes former Democra…

thehill.com

How stupid can one get? Biden must think he's as bulletproof a candidate as Hillary because he just insulted most of the Rust Belt battleground states. If this guy wins the nomination Trump will use this comment for ammo at every Rust Belt rally.

Considering that they are only coal miners because its one of the very few high paying jobs you can get that require zero formal education and actually encourages the level of stupidity that barely got them through high school , I'm going to say that's pretty much bullshit.

 

[ElFenix]

Like moronic ideas for rescuing kids out of a flooded cave and accusing somebody else of being a pedo when they call your plan dumb.

The hyperloop is a very American solution to a problem everybody else knows how to solve. It's insanely expensive, highly impractical, and likely to occupy our imaginations for many years instead of actually working on the real problems.

jules verne's son michel wrote stories about them, so, we're already through the "imagination for many years" part into the "this might actually be workable" part.

anyway, building a hyperloop would require leaving west virginia, which is a non-starter for all the people who haven't figured out they should leave in the first place.

the only infrastructure west virginia is probably good for is building big wind farms coupled with pumped storage hydro.

 

[zinfamous]

'Tell it like it is' is pretty much a euphemism for 'shares my racist sterotypes against minorities.'

Always. It has never meant anything else.

 

[Mai72]

Yes, let's discuss coal mining, please. Those 70K jobs which used to be over 1 million but the vast majority were eliminated by automation. And why Trump is pandering to this tiny segment of the American work force who have been irrationally elevated by the right as somehow more significant than any other tiny portion of our work force.

Biden is essentially right, but it came across weird because he used a singular example of coding. He should have just said, look, if you can learn to move three thousand feet under ground, there's lot of other things you can learn as well.

Like how to make solar panels on an assembly line.

He could had said that, but let's be honest. People do not want to be told the truth. The truth is jobs are being automated, and the only way to combat this is to reeducate and retrain the people affected. Again, many people don't want to face the cold hard truth because that would mean that they'd have to put effort into this, plus they'd have to challenge their limiting beliefs. In addition, a 45 year old with a wife and 2 kids isn't going to just pick up a new skill like coding easily. It's not impossible, but highly unlikely. A 22 year old, yes. But a man whose only done coal mining for the last 20 years. Doubtful.

BTW, I can't stand when politicians say "learn to code." Like, learning to code is the answer to automation. It's not. Not everyone can be a coder.