Joe Biden tells coal miners they can "learn how to program"

[Starbuck1975]

So why are you still here? Wouldn't take you, eh?

My daddy was just a hard working union guy, so had to pave my own way. Appreciate the concern!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Like I said, it’s like you guys can’t even hear yourselves.

How can we hear ourselves when you keep clanking your buckets around?

 

[ch33zw1z]

How can we hear ourselves when you keep clanking your buckets around?

Standard cop out from a "thoughtful fellow", lol.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Standard cop out from a "thoughtful fellow", lol.

Standard response from a waterboy. If you actually have a point, I am happy to refute it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Standard response from a waterboy. If you actually have a point, I am happy to refute it.

exactly, you are stubbornly arrogant to the point of only refuting points(even if blatantly wrong about it), or calling people names.

this mirror is working great.

how's that dictionary coming?

 

[Starbuck1975]

And that's the mistake that pretty much everyone here ignored.
Coal has been on the way out for a long time, and I'm sure most of the people in the industry know it, but he needed to be a bit less condescending. Don't piss off people you're trying to get to vote for you. That's politics 101 (a class Trump never took). Better to say that he would work on a way of transitioning those people into other industries.

They don’t get it. They’re incapable of it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

exactly, you are stubbornly arrogant to the point of only refuting points(even if blatantly wrong about it), or calling people names.

this mirror is working great.

how's that dictionary coming?

lol.

 

[ch33zw1z]

They can’t help themselves
They don’t get it. They’re incapable of it.

Hardly, conservatives prefer lies to caress their fragile psyche. Sure, Biden could be nicer about it, but since when has being nice been something conservatives cared about or even desired in their candidates? Not in my voting lifetime.

The funny part about Greenman and you is how you guys are both aloof and think you know it all simultaneously.

I mean, Greenman is so out of touch on a regular basis I'm inclined to believe the rock he lives under just got internet and he stumbled onto ATOT because it's "the internet"

And you're too focused on encouraging the Democrats circular firing squad that you claim to hate, but still revel in...yet still manage to ignore and even defend (via whataboutism) whatever the GOP decides to do.. #bothsides5life is your motto.

The only point you guys have here is that Biden was "too mean" about it (your opinion only). That's it. He's not wrong, he just didn't say it the way you want him to. Which, btw, reflects age old tactics of controlling others behavior, something conservatives of all types have been doing for thousands of years.

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol.

yup, exactly.

 

[fskimospy]

I like how one guy literally runs on ‘fuck your feelings’ and yet it’s his potential opponent who is being relentlessly concern trolled for not caring about hurting people’s feelings enough.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Hardly, conservatives prefer lies to caress their fragile psyche. Sure, Biden could be nicer about it, but since when has being nice been something conservatives cared about or even desired in their candidates? Not in my voting lifetime.

You still don’t get it. We don’t expect him to be nice. We are suggesting that you’re not going to win over voters by being an out of touch condescending prick. Telling coal miners that they should learn to code is directionally correct but also absurd as presented.

The funny part about Greenman and you is how you guys are both aloof and think you know it all simultaneously.

I suppose we could try all TDS all the time.

I mean, Greenman is so out of touch on a regular basis I'm inclined to believe the rock he lives under just got internet and he stumbled onto ATOT because it's "the internet"

Says you

And you're too focused on encouraging the Democrats circular firing squad that you claim to hate, but still revel in...yet still manage to ignore and even defend (via whataboutism) whatever the GOP decides to do.. #bothsides5life is your motto.

The circular firing squad is your dilemma to solve. Don’t blame me for having enough sense to get out of the circle. My motto is #nosides.

The only point you guys have here is that Biden was "too mean" about it (your opinion only). That's it. He's not wrong, he just didn't say it the way you want him to. Which, btw, reflects age old tactics of controlling others behavior, something conservatives of all types have been doing for thousands of years.

Not mean, just not relatable to his target audience.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You still don’t get it. We don’t expect him to be nice. We are suggesting that you’re not going to win over voters by being an out of touch condescending prick. Telling coal miners that they should learn to code is directionally correct but also absurd as presented.

Your opinion. I hold my fellow American's in higher esteem that you do. I'm confident that plenty of coal miners could transfer to technology related jobs, including coding of some kind. The term itself is vague, as coding can be done for quite a few purposes using many different languages.

I suppose we could try all TDS all the time.

More cop out from you, not unexpected.

Says you

says his posts, and himself actually.

The circular firing squad is your dilemma to solve. Don’t blame me for having enough sense to get out of the circle. My motto is #nosides.

obvious lies based on your post history. I'm not tasked with anything, duh, I'll vote for whatever candidate I prefer, in whichever primary I prefer.

Not mean, just not relatable to his target audience.

LoL, like I said, stubbornly arrogant. Being condescendingly arrogant is exactly what conservatives voted for. Biden's just playing the same game, but not lying about it.

Unless you are expecting me to believe that conservative voters will only vote in their best interest if that person is being nice. in which case, LOL

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I propose they learn to handle customer service and complaint calls: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ban-offshore-call-centers.2575021/

It may require infrastructure for high speed internet, but that's already in progress in many areas.

 

[HomerJS]

I have a new headline...

@SP33Demon tells coal miners "you are not capable of learning"

 

[interchange]

It must be terrible to see your way of life crumbling while being told by someone else what to do about it who offers calculus instead of compassion and sees that way of life disappearing as just -- as if you yourself held no value worth respecting.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It must be terrible to see your way of life crumbling while being told by someone else what to do about it who offers calculus instead of compassion and sees that way of life disappearing as just -- as if you yourself held no value worth respecting.

I think you misspelled bootstraps.

Seriously tho, do we move to a socialist solution? I'm ok with that, but it can't be half-assed where we borrow a few trillion to retool workers who want or need it, it's gotta be self sufficient. And conservatives will need to stop being outwardly dicks about it.

 

[K1052]

I mean I guess he should have told them to be become nurses since we're going to need a shitload more of those.

I doubt that would have been better received. Really it's all about the identity of the issue not the facts which are hardly in any dispute.

 

[interchange]

I think you misspelled bootstraps.

Seriously tho, do we move to a socialist solution? I'm ok with that, but it can't be half-assed where we borrow a few trillion to retool workers who want or need it, it's gotta be self sufficient. And conservatives will need to stop being outwardly dicks about it.

We can, but I'm a believer in capitalism in a boundaried way. I don't think that seeing a tragedy in motion means we have duty to abate it. Tragedy is inevitable. It is definite that some coal workers will continue to be decimated personally by the transition away from their industry. Grief is best shared. Ultimately, it is the most powerful thing we can offer to help.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We can, but I'm a believer in capitalism in a boundaried way. I don't think that seeing a tragedy in motion means we have duty to abate it. Tragedy is inevitable. It is definite that some coal workers will continue to be decimated personally by the transition away from their industry. Grief is best shared. Ultimately, it is the most powerful thing we can offer to help.

This particular tragedy has been unfolding for decades. Not abating it led us to some of the political problems we currently see today. We are all sharing in the grief of America transitioning to a service industry coupled with technology automating away millions of jobs. The politicians since the 70's have been able to obfuscate and lie their way to now, when we have a political party protecting a grifter (who has extensive questionable ties to hostile foreign powers)

A capitalist solution to this problem, not sure what that would look like. Either way, allocating funds to retool our workforce is a plan that can set up America for the future, not the past.

The past is what Trump ran on.

 

[cytg111]

Dev teams aren’t colocated and you mostly need top talent for product design and strategy. The work itself is becoming increasingly commoditized, which is why you have dev hubs growing in other parts of the country like Salt Lake City and the Carolinas.

And you want reformed miners to code remote, from home, right off the retooling belt?
The only feasible route I see is 1. some kind of certification and then 2. enrollment in some kind of graduate program in a bigger corp. Hands on. On location. Anything else is a pipe dream IMO.
But hey that may be doable, "offshoring" for a few years, subsidized, who knows... then return to "home" and work remote. Maybe.

 

[Homerboy]

Sorry coal miners, much like the typewriter and horse and buggy industries before you, your days are over.

 

[cytg111]

Maybe you could reeducate all those miners to be nuclear physicists and then they can run clean nuclear instead of dirty coal?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This is why I suggested Call Centers. Very little real technical training involved. Nearly anyone can answer a phone. Many could be done from home via telecommuting. Call centers can be set in the the plethora of vacant small retail stores or rotting WallyWorld carcasses left in small town America.

Easy work for disabled or elderly. Shuttles could be provided for those without transportation if they can't get decent internet at home. Laptops and VoIP phones could be provided.

I'd rather deal with a West Virginney accent than an Indian one.

 

[Greenman]

Hardly, conservatives prefer lies to caress their fragile psyche. Sure, Biden could be nicer about it, but since when has being nice been something conservatives cared about or even desired in their candidates? Not in my voting lifetime.

The funny part about Greenman and you is how you guys are both aloof and think you know it all simultaneously.

I mean, Greenman is so out of touch on a regular basis I'm inclined to believe the rock he lives under just got internet and he stumbled onto ATOT because it's "the internet"

And you're too focused on encouraging the Democrats circular firing squad that you claim to hate, but still revel in...yet still manage to ignore and even defend (via whataboutism) whatever the GOP decides to do.. #bothsides5life is your motto.

The only point you guys have here is that Biden was "too mean" about it (your opinion only). That's it. He's not wrong, he just didn't say it the way you want him to. Which, btw, reflects age old tactics of controlling others behavior, something conservatives of all types have been doing for thousands of years.

For all that, you don't understand that you're one of the shooters in the circular firing squad. The liberals have an attitude and an approach that guarantees failure. You fellows couldn't sell twenty dollar bills for five bucks each.

Trump didn't win the election in 16, the democrats lost it, and now Biden is adopting some of that losing strategy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And you want reformed miners to code remote, from home, right off the retooling belt?
The only feasible route I see is 1. some kind of certification and then 2. enrollment in some kind of graduate program in a bigger corp. Hands on. On location. Anything else is a pipe dream IMO.
But hey that may be doable, "offshoring" for a few years, subsidized, who knows... then return to "home" and work remote. Maybe.

India started with call centers and picking up commodity work. Imagine if, rather than offshoring that work, someone had the vision and leadership to direct that investment into communities dependent on dying legacy industries. Not everyone can or should be a coder, but I imagine coal miners have other transferable skills we could repurpose.